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Chop Top #18 G6 Install by rodneybooth
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Archie built a really great car for me about three years ago. I have not shared with this group the joy I have gotten from this car or the double takes I get just about every time I drive it. Recently I decided to install a G6 F40 transmission with a Quaiffe differential. I would not have attempted this without Archie's kit. I cold not have afforded the learning curve. I think it is about I showed some pictures of the process. I hope you enjoy some of the passion I have had with this car.



This has nothing to do with the transmission install but it is the first thing I had done.



This is the template for an area I couldn't find a way to dress up



This is the finished cover



Starting the tranny swap

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Hey Rodney,

Check your PM.

The car is awesome BTW !
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Welcome aboard.

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we need pics of the whole thing/ everything. motor, trans, the whole body, and inside you are just teasing me with those few pics.
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Well, I'm very happy that you're very happy.

However, We need more pics, don't tease us.

BTW, also tell us about your suspension & brakes.

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I got the RCC suspension as Archie suggested way back when. Coil overs make a world of difference. The car just lays flat in a curve. I have to tell you it makes a difference who does your work! I had the suspension work done prior to Archie transforming my car and the front end kept bottoming out. On the way back to NC from beautiful downtown Machesney Park, I stopped and bought some coffee. On the way out of the store I hit a bump and the drink came straight up out of the cup and went 360. I quickly installed 1 1/2" drop spindles to get some more play in the shocks. Works good now. I guess I need to do the Coke can challenge to see where I stand. I had RCC's big brake package on but got moochie and installed 13" Wilwoods.





Wainting in line...


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A shot of the shock and the "round thing" electric water pump that had to come out to drop the engine





Disconnecting all the "stuff"




Coming out!


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Coming....





Coming...



Out!



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A look at the beast



Anybody see a 50 watt backup light in this picture?





This is where some fun begins. With the engine out now I can clean up the engine bay. I wanted to get rid of all the extra wires and make some sense of the compartment. I never liked the way the friewall insulation looked. It just never looked clean to me. Now was the time top bring some order.

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Ummmmmm, its a possiblity......


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Relocated relays




Brackets to be moved along with a whole bunch of wires




Moved all the engine wiring to one side


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Stuff taken out so far...the trash pile gets bigger




New lid shock installed





and bigger!

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Sweet!
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This is firewall before we started. Not very nice. Reminds me of my sister's closet.





Firewall with the panel templates made





Sheet metal panels made but need to be painted and mounted


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Rerouted the wires and installed them in wire looms just like the picture says




Now we have a smooth firewall!






The engine bay is ready and now on to the tranny swap
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Sweet! The next engine swap, I too would like to have engine bay cleaned up a bit. You're providing an excellent example.
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Looks very good. I can appreciate all the work cleaning up the firewall takes. Here is stage 2 of my firewall cleaning:
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/083056.html

This winter I will be doing more firewall upgrades as I upgrade to the G6 6 speed along with several other engine mods.

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Thanks Curly. A complement from you goes a long way. Guru, I like the crhome look.
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Uh oh, looks like the intake is leaking at the front




Uh oh, distributor trouble. The distributor rotor button needs to be replaced. Now I understand my loss of power.








Uh oh, the distributor cap needs replacing too!!!





Nasty!!





The top of the engine all looks good



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I looked for the thread on Fieros in the Fall and couldn't find it. So these are some I took today. It is the first set since all the "current" work.




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A look at the G6 F40. Not an expensive gearbox but newer technology the original 5 speed Getrag. I could pull stumps with first gear. I don't have a good shot of the Quaiffe LSD (which was 4 times the cost of the tranny) but it was a direct fit. We sent it out to a tranny pro to make sure it would be right







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I found one on their website



This is probably preaching to the choir since I got the idea on this forum but...


Quaife ATB Helical LSD differential for Saab GM F40 is suitable for Saab models with GM F40 gearbox. A direct replacement for the standard Saab open differential, the Quaife ATB Helical LSD differential transforms your car's performance.

Unlike a conventional plate-style limited slip differential, the Saab GM F40 Quaife ATB Helical LSD differential relies on gears rather than clutch plates for its operation. That means it is much smoother in operation.

The Saab GM F40 Quaife ATB Helical LSD differential never locks harshly with a set pre-load of wheel slip across the driven axle, like a conventional LSD. Rather, the Saab GM F40 Quaife ATB Helical LSD differential automatically biases the torque away from the spinning wheel across the axle, to a constantly varying degree, and never locks.

The Saab GM F40 Quaife ATB Helical LSD differential has many benefits over a standard open differential, including maximising traction and minimizing wheelspin, eliminating torque steer and snatching in front wheel drive cars compared to conventional LSD units, and a maintenance-free design which retains the standard oil lubrication.


After driving the car with the new diff, I can assure you that it is well worth the money. Troyboy will like it on his new ride.
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Old transmission off




It would lood nice to coat the manifolds...

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Rodney any chance you might be convinced to bring that awesome car down to the Daytona show in March ?

We are trying to rally up a group of choptops, mine included !

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With all the money you re spending wouldnt it be worth replacing the old exhaust manifolds with something that flows?
Keep up the good work on the rest of it. Love the Firewall and LSD
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I have been wanting to come to Daytona ever since Archie inducted me into what I know now to be a "elite"? group. Every year about March I start developing a tick on the right side of my face that only goes away if I look a Florida travel brochures or reread the Annual Choptop Convention thread. In truth, my schedule hasn't allowed it. There always seems to be a conflict. Or at least I make one. So 2009 may be the year, I sure hope so.
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Ok, next installment...another shot of the gearbox






All the old parts. Does this look like a bagpipe to you?





Does anybody want this stuff????




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Ausfiero--I would get new manifolds but there is a problem. They have sentimental value to me. Archie personally hand caste the units out of old left over LS1 valve stems. It almost cost him his marriage because he obsessed over it so much trying to get it perfect. You know how Archie is. He showed me pictures of how he used the "lost wax" process to caste them in his back yard.He brought them to his shop wrapped in babys blankets so not to scratch them. And...if you beleive that I have some swaampland in Oz I want to talk to you about.
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What next...Oh yeah the tranny swap. But first more s**t to fix. Sometimes I wonder if I would have been better off buying a horse. Well what do you know. The RH axle bearing is bad, the seal was broken and let water into the bearing.

Finally, how about some tranny work. Cutting the clearance in the bell housing for the adapter bolts



Test fitting to see where clearance cuts need to be made in the cradle. Now this does not look like bagpipes. A nice handsome, manly (sorry ladies) gearbox. Gonna look good in the engine compartment.

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An unrelated interior shot. I wanted to show off my new guages.


The old look



The new look



What I see


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I forgot...this is the old look. The VDO gauges just didn't do anything for me.

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While you are cleaning up your fire wall do something about those stupid looking hinges and mounting boxes. If you are not using the stock torque rods to prop up the deck lid why not trim them down and make it look better.
I was thinking about doing this with my car, I was thinking about using a set of front hood hinges.

Thanks for sharing
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Wow...hadn't thought of that. I do need to do something different at the hinges cause I have developed a structural crack just above the right hinge. I filled it in and fiberglasseds it but it is still weak.
The member had to be channeled out slightly to make room for the breather and is a weak spot. I may do something about it next week. If so I will post pictures. Thanks, they do look rather abnormal.
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Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:

While you are cleaning up your fire wall do something about those stupid looking hinges and mounting boxes. If you are not using the stock torque rods to prop up the deck lid why not trim them down and make it look better.



Part of my winter upgrades is doing "something" with the stock hinge brackets!

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Well, thats two. Tomorrow I'm going to take pictures are start looking around. Maybe I can get a before and after. I hope to get to work on the "Sidewinder" next week. Currently it has bear claw door latches and they have given me some problems. Thats my next move, to find an adequate replacement. I installed door pins since its a suicide setup but I want a different latch mechanism. Here is the door pin install.




This is going to make me feel real safe!


I don't like the looks of the exposed door panels. With a suicide setup, this part of the door was not seen much and there was not a lot of care given to appearance. That definately goes on the list.
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Curly, If you check in, I kind of like the HRE 546's in black. I keep coming back to this style. Will somebody loue me in on what a "PM" is???

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Correction...will somebody please CLUE me in on what a "PM" is and how it works???
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Correction...will somebody please CLUE me in on what a "PM" is and how it works???


Link on the main page at the bottom of the forum.
http://www.fiero.nl/cgi-bin/fiero/privateview.cgi
There are links on each users posts that will let you send them a Private message.
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Tell me about this swampland. Water is a valuable commodity here
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Your car is looking great and I just love your attention to detail. It's great to see some of the choptop owners kicking it up a bit. Time to start invading the non Fiero car shows in force.
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Amazing Car! Keep up the good work. I just pulled my old supercharged 3800 out and built a new one. I am right in the middle of some insane rewiring and firewall cleanup myself. I used front GM F-body calipers w/ 13" rotors on all 4 corners, so I have the Wilwood spot calipers for the E-brake also.

I might be interested in that Getrag, as mine is junk, as soon a you figure out PM's send me one, or an email at mobile@warpdriveonline.com. I really wanted to do the G6 6 speed this year, but with the expensive engine build, it might be next winters project!! Therefore I need another Getrag to make it through next summer.

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