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LED headights? by John W. Tilford
Started on: 02-14-2021 12:43 PM
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Originally posted by 60Greyhound:
I find these threads amusing to read... basically LED lights are an improvement when fitted and aimed correctly they will be more reliable and give better light. Most manufacturers are now fitting LEDs as standard for that reason.
In my experience as long as they are fitted and aimed correctly Police and vehicle testers will never issue warnings for them, as they realise they are a 'modern upgrade' for a 30 year old vehicle, making it safer to drive.
Interesting the resistance to Lighting changes does not carry over to engine/brake upgrades which are actively encouraged?
Some people are just very resistant to change, and modernisation. Which is fine if you want a concours/original car... Me, I'm all for it, modern brakes, modern lights, modern engine... hell my car isn't even running fuses/relays anymore as I'm installing a PDM module instead!
If you Ignore MOT Inspection has new rules started in 2019 that have More ways to Fail you partly because more fools put Illegal "upgrades"on a car and cause problems that get the "Press" and others attention like:
Illegal HID conversion kits explained - Auto Express http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/

Now Many just switch to LED in HL shells made for Halogen lamps and have same problems.

Can find many others for HID and LED "upgrades" problems from News outlets and more that only skims the surface. Web search terms like:
hid headlights illegal
led headlights illegal
are led headlights legal
are led headlights legal in ______________

Even some web stores tell you "upgrading" Halogen to LED or HID is Illegal in most places...
https://www.powerbulbs.com/...eadlights-road-legal

That's skipping any HL making other that amber and white light is Illegal in some places...
Bright, blinding headlights: Are they legal? WLWT5 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx1v_KtO4Y0

For Sealed Beam, Very Few LED are legal in other countries too. Truck-lite and some few others have ECE lights for UK and EU.
Truck-lite 27490C ECE Right Hand Side 27491C ECE Left Hand Side but I think has same pic for both showing ---► below the code string. Think UK should be ◄---
Hela may make LED thru Truck Parts for "H6054 replacements" but no longer list H4 Shells to use w/ H4 Halogen bulbs. Others no longer makes Sealed Beam HL's like Phillips dropped most to all ~ 10 years ago.

Many Fiero Brake "Upgrade" have big problems to Illegal as well because for 1 often eliminates the parking brake.
Worse, TFS "makes" Parts of 1 crap infamous "GA upgrade" to sell to people w/o a clue and laugh all the way to the bank.
Highlights See my Cave, Brake Upgrade

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Originally posted by theogre:
If you Ignore MOT Inspection has new rules started in 2019 that have More ways to Fail you partly because more fools put Illegal "upgrades"on a car and cause problems that get the "Press" and others attention like:
Illegal HID conversion kits explained - Auto Express http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/

Now Many just switch to LED in HL shells made for Halogen lamps and have same problems.

Can find many others for HID and LED "upgrades" problems from News outlets and more that only skims the surface. Web search terms like:
hid headlights illegal
led headlights illegal
are led headlights legal
are led headlights legal in ______________

Even some web stores tell you "upgrading" Halogen to LED or HID is Illegal in most places...
https://www.powerbulbs.com/...eadlights-road-legal

That's skipping any HL making other that amber and white light is Illegal in some places...
Bright, blinding headlights: Are they legal? WLWT5 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx1v_KtO4Y0

For Sealed Beam, Very Few LED are legal in other countries too. Truck-lite and some few others have ECE lights for UK and EU.
Truck-lite 27490C ECE Right Hand Side 27491C ECE Left Hand Side but I think has same pic for both showing ---► below the code string. Think UK should be ◄---
Hela may make LED thru Truck Parts for "H6054 replacements" but no longer list H4 Shells to use w/ H4 Halogen bulbs. Others longer makes Sealed Beam HL's like Phillips dropped most to all ~ 10 years ago.

Many Fiero Brake "Upgrade" have big problems to Illegal as well because for 1 often eliminates the parking brake.
Worse, TFS "makes" Parts of 1 crap infamous "GA upgrade" to sell to people w/o a clue and laugh all the way to the bank.
Highlights See my Cave, Brake Upgrade

Thanks for all the input.
I know this subject is a long time running, but sense the last time I looked into head light upgrades, I assume some advances have been made.
So my question is what lamps would you install in your personal car that are legal?
I do not want to blind on coming traffic OR get a ticket. So a DOT approved lamp that is legal (at least in CA). BUT my old school lights are like holding candles in my hands compared to the lights that are in new cars now days.
Thanks.

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But the video is explaining replacing "bulbs" and that the lens isn't designed for them.

In the Fiero, there is no headlamp lens. The headlights are an entire unit with lens in all. So the headlights that are similar to sealed halogens, but are LED's, shouldn't they be designed with the lens in mind for street use?

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That post w/ autoexpress video is specifically to address 60Greyhound in UK but likely applies to others (but most have no clue what MOT is. Basically Is similar to US state inspection w/ a lot more and stricter rules.)


 
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Originally posted by Rickady88GT:
Thanks for all the input.
I know this subject is a long time running, but sense the last time I looked into head light upgrades, I assume some advances have been made.
So my question is what lamps would you install in your personal car that are legal?
I do not want to blind on coming traffic OR get a ticket. So a DOT approved lamp that is legal (at least in CA). BUT my old school lights are like holding candles in my hands compared to the lights that are in new cars now days.
Thanks.
For Fiero and many others "I assume some advances have been made" is good way to get Conned unless your willing to Pay and even then might find the new "Advancements" are just popular Fads that Ebay Amzn and others love to rip you off.

One famous brand made a HID kit to replace H6054 types but was ~ $900 15+ years ago then got in a fight w/ NHTSA too. Why? Back then (in late 90 to LED took the Hype train.) all the Hype was trying to "upgrade" to HID before many found HID had many problems even for cars came w/ them from the factory. Go search the archives in many and see same threads just w/ HID instead of LED. That brand is only HID upgrade that was "DOT Legal" and paid High $ for it. Doubt many buy that before discontinued.

Some New Cars w/ LED anything have problems too including HL. When They Die... Expect a very big Bill if not covered under Warranty.
Plus New cars and truck have DOT Legal HL but IIHS found many do not perform and that even for high $ models. https://www.iihs.org/topics/headlights and others.

Halogen "Dim" is Problems w/ wiring and aiming. Might be old bulbs but often not for most people.
But Many have SilverStar and others and draw more power make wiring problems worse and often won't last on top of that. (Plus Osram and others have been sued for False Ads etc.)
See my Cave, Headlights

Above Cheap LED may give you better light but many claim any "upgrade" better is also have wiring problems, didn't fix them and wiring will fail. Plus G101 is ground for Rad Fan too and many fry fan relay. So check/fix HL wiring parts covered in cave before buying anything.

If you want LED...
the only cheap one is above right now.
Others are $250 to $300 pair to buy Trunk-lite GE and other brands and only have a Warranty 1 - 3 years.

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Originally posted by Wichita:
But the video is explaining replacing "bulbs" and that the lens isn't designed for them.

In the Fiero, there is no headlamp lens. The headlights are an entire unit with lens in all. So the headlights that are similar to sealed halogens, but are LED's, shouldn't they be designed with the lens in mind for street use?
Video applies to All Halogen shells including "upgrade" Sealed Beam HL.
For all take H6054 and related...
Many fools put H4 shells and Hot Bulbs in US Vehicles that are Illegal to start with...
Some put HB2 shells and 9003 Halogen that are DOT Legal...

But...

Then they put HID and now LED "lamps" in H4 HB2 and others and shells can't focus them.
Every Fraction of a Millimeter the HID or LED "bulbs" move the light, more and more Out of Focus.
Worse, LED and HID uses 2 "Lamps" that's way different thing to focus right and causes huge glare and other problems.
Typical LED used in many Dual Beam shells including H4 and HB2 taken apart... Same "bulb" have different bases to fit whatever shell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CX_uFs5vKc0

You Can Get Legal LED "bulbs" to replace H6054 etc but Most Cost > $250 a pair. Only One so far is < $100 a pair and linked at amzn above but many seems to have them. Web Search on DOT string/code to find same poorly made ad at many sites.

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