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Fiero No.2 - 88formula 3800/F23 swap by ignorant prodigy
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Report this Post04-27-2014 02:19 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ignorant prodigyClick Here to Email ignorant prodigySend a Private Message to ignorant prodigyEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
So back in 2007 I did a 3800 auto swap into an 87GT Jordan's 3800 sc swap thread
In 2010 my wife and I had the first of our 2 beautiful girls.. and to help supplement our income while she was out of work I sold my first swap

Fast forward to last year.. I wanted to do another swap.. but this time i wanted a stick.
So I found this gem...I Picked up an 88 fiero formula T-tops 5 spd in NH last year.
It was going for $1500 but the guy sold it to me for $1200.

Some history.. it was bought in GA from a guy who put 107K miles on it from 1988-1993. Then it was sold to a guy who lives in NH and he put 2K miles on it from 1993-1995. It then sat.. traded hands again in 2005 to the kid I bought it from. But it’s basically been sitting in a driveway since 1995. The kid I bought it from planned on re-building the engine, so he started disassembling it but never finished.. so the stock engine is in pieces.

Here it is after towing it to my driveway last year






so I got started.. was going to try and drop the cradle in my driveway last year but it started getting cold

Instead I got some help and we wheeled it into the garage.
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I picked up an 99 L67 from craigslist for $300. Complete with harness.
engine tear down


interesting screw there

had a front valve cover leak by the looks of it



Picked up an F23 from a local junkyard


junk yard score, found some tiburon seats for cheap


I picked up a harness and mounts from Fieroflyer
I also grabbed a full size intercooler, 1.9 rockers, and ported supercharger with modular pulleys

I'm 1 bolt away from getting the stock cradle out. It's being a complete ***** .

But i figured I'd make this post to share some of my journey.. I know this has been done a million times by now but whats 1 more thread?

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88 Fiero Formula- L67 swap in progress

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Nice. Good to see another Fiero guy in New England. I've been toying with the F23 swap myself. Where in NH did you pick the car up?

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just outside epping.
yea I'm curious to see how it'll feel. I've never actually driven a stick fiero
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You wont want to go back. The 4 speed auto's are miles ahead of the stock 3 speeds, but the standards are way more fun. Shortened shifter is an absolute must though.
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Should be good now are you sure that F23 is the right one the starter location looks like the eco tech one. Dan
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I sure hope so. I'm pretty sure I paid for the right one. Never actually looked at the physical differences. I just trusted they gave me the right one.
I'll check it out. If it does turn out its the wrong one luckily the salvage yard isnt too far from me.



I'll check out that tutorial thread that shows the differences and compare it.
thanks for the heads up.
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Just bought this guy from Amazon: 9-201-1000 DW200 series, 255lph in-tank fuel pump w/ Universal Install Kit
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Trans looks right.

Good job so far, I like that you are a low budget believer.
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Trans looks right.

Good job so far, I like that you are a low budget believer.


it's definitely right, just flipped upside down.
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awesome thanks for the confirmation

 
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Good job so far, I like that you are a low budget believer.


It gets expensive stupid fast if you get too picky.
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it might not look like much, but cutting this bolt gave me so much satisfaction

i tried an impact wrench, an air hammer, a cutting wheel, a sawzall... but the dremel to the head of the bolt is what did it.

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Know I probably should wait for help but I did it on my own anyways. Too excited now that the bolt is out





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I like where this is going.

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Now don't forget the "engine bay" picture...
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Been a long summer. Haven't had much chance to work on it. But I needed to make room for my snow blower and it's motivated me to get working again



Installed my 1.9 rockers, IC and ported intake and supercharger

Also had a chance to remove the old engine and transmission.


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I’ve returned to document my progress.
So basically, 2015 I did absolutely nothing to the fiero.
but .. 2016 I’ve started getting excited about it again.

Here’s what I currently have or just bought:
1998 L67 w/ harness
Fieroflyer swap wiring harness
F23 2000-2002 Transmission 2.2L Cav or Sunfire 2200 VIN4
F23 Transmission and 3800 Engine Mounts
3800 Camaro flywheel cut down to .840"
Spec stage 3 Plus clutch SC883F
idler pulley 89006
idler pulley 89009
x 2 tensioner 89007
AC Delete
al 104 Spark plugs
Acces. belt Gatorback 40060835 -(Bando) 6PK2120 (no PS pump)
LIM coolant plugs- installed
valve cover, intake manifold, supercharger gaskets(2), coolant elbows - installed
IC core and pump –core installed
1.9 rockers w/ new bolts- installed
N* TB
LQ4 maf 03 chevy taho 5.3
New cradle mount brackets
Poly motor mount and transmission mount
front cradle bolts
Rear Control & Lateral Arm & Fix Adjusting Link Poly Bushings
Extra Teflon Grease
Rebuilt Rear Calipers
Rear Rotors
Rear brake pads
Rear Brake hoses
Rear Ebrake Springs (pair)
Rear Drivers side ebrake cable
Rear Passengerside ebrake cable
Rear Strut Bolts (may come from AMS)
Fuel filter
fuel pump 9-201-1000 DW200 series, 255lph in-tank w/ Universal Install Kit.
X2 Exhaust Tips/muffler - in one
tiburon seats

Here’s what’s left, so long as I don’t break something
shifter adapter
shifter cables 5spd select and F23 shift cable
htob adapter
Spec HTOB 1/4 N1774-.250 spacer
flywheel bolts GM (24505092)
Battery Cables
Power Log
IC hoses clamps and fittings
Maf, TPS wire adapters
TB adapter
Fuel rails
starter
Wheel bearings
fuel rail adapters
fuel rail adapters
Fuel filter and line adapters
4x Hose ends
6an braided fuel lines
EGR block off plate (exhaust side)
fuel sending unit
TB cable screw
Driver's side coolant line
Coolant line Brackets
Coolant hose E71075
Coolant line for heater core 5/8"
Heater Core Coolant line Plug
Green Engine Coolant
Front 'lower' Ball joints (lowering)
Front 'upper' Ball joints
Zero Lash endlinks
1988 HEAVY DUTY KYB FRONT SHOCKS (PAIR)
88 UPPER CONTROL ARM PADDLE NUT (x2)
Rear Zero Lash End links
Rear Coil-overs KYB adjustable "325lb" rate
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Glad to see you back at it! Keep us posted.

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Glad to see you back at it! Keep us posted.



hey what's up man!

You still have the 87?
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Yes, I still have "Thelma" (brought a 87 SE as a daily driver that I call "Louise"). I recently completed the 13" Corvette front brake upgrade with 12" upgrade on the rear. I'll moved to NC so after last summer I will definitely be adding AC. Do you recall if the harness has the AC plug?

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nice! so happy to hear it's being maintained and upgraded.

nope, don't think it does. FIEROFLYER built the harness. I don't think it'd be difficult to add though.
I'm pretty sure i stripped out all of the AC parts when I did the swap though, so it might be a ***** to get all the parts back in.


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Slow going, but the weather was so nice today I managed to get some stuff done

 
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Now don't forget the "engine bay" picture...






Here's the proof that it was actually me who got the engine out lol

I finally removed everything from the cradle. The strut bolts were a huge pain in the ass.
I ended up having to heat them up, get them spinning with my impact wrench, and smack them with a sledge hammer to get them to come out.

Also the e-brake was so rusted the nut would not spin, so I cut the cable.. i didn't want to but had no choice.

The last headache will be this ***** :


The passenger side front cradle bolt. I had to cut both ends off to get the cradle out.
I soaked it in PB Blaster.. I figure I'll heat it up as much as I can and then wack it with my sledge hammer. But I'm open to suggestions.


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The passenger side front cradle bolt. I had to cut both ends off to get the cradle out.
I soaked it in PB Blaster.. I figure I'll heat it up as much as I can and then wack it with my sledge hammer. But I'm open to suggestions.


I had this problem with mine and I spent almost 14 hours trying to drill out the bolt. The eventual solution was to use my ball joint removal tool. It is basically a huge beefy C-clamp with a pocket that gives the other side of the bolt a place to go as it is pushed out. Soak it in PB Blaster, heat it up nice an hot, then put the ball joint clamp on.

Edit: Once the bolt starts moving, you eventually run out of bolt to push on. Just insert another slightly smaller bolt into the clamp to push on the stuck bolt.

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Originally posted by onesexyfiero:

You wont want to go back. The 4 speed auto's are miles ahead of the stock 3 speeds, but the standards are way more fun. Shortened shifter is an absolute must though.


Its just about the longest damn throw between gears that i've ever seen.
My friends have all commented on it at some point, especially when we drag race! lol
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I had this problem with mine and I spent almost 14 hours trying to drill out the bolt. The eventual solution was to use my ball joint removal tool. It is basically a huge beefy C-clamp with a pocket that gives the other side of the bolt a place to go as it is pushed out. Soak it in PB Blaster, heat it up nice an hot, then put the ball joint clamp on.

Edit: Once the bolt starts moving, you eventually run out of bolt to push on. Just insert another slightly smaller bolt into the clamp to push on the stuck bolt.



awesome, I'll give that a shot.
it's much less violent than whacking it with a sledge hammer
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I had this problem with mine and I spent almost 14 hours trying to drill out the bolt. The eventual solution was to use my ball joint removal tool. It is basically a huge beefy C-clamp with a pocket that gives the other side of the bolt a place to go as it is pushed out. Soak it in PB Blaster, heat it up nice an hot, then put the ball joint clamp on.

Edit: Once the bolt starts moving, you eventually run out of bolt to push on. Just insert another slightly smaller bolt into the clamp to push on the stuck bolt.



plus for you man. worked perfect


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goodies!


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87 Fiero GT- 98 L67 swap - (SOLD)
88 Fiero Formula- L67 swap in progress
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power washed, wirewheel, and cleaned up the cradle.
The grease was hiding more rust, but I didn't see any all that concerning.


Painted with some "rust protect" paint.

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worked perfect



Awesome!
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found a pressurized expansion tank for my IC lines at the junkyard off of a saab


Also grabbed a tensioner bracket from an older bonneville for the heatercore nipples that point to the side.

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removed the old insulation. that stuff is nasty. Found some more rust I will have to address in the engine bay though.
AC lines?


Also got some more new parts.. but shhh don't tell the wife.

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so I was trying to figure out belt routing while keeping my alternator in the stock location.
I'm trying to do this w/o spending a ton of money and don't have a welding machine. I already had an AC delete from a previous life..but I didn't want to buy a low mount alt. or a PS delete so I started taking a look at what I have in my garage.

I tried playing with a bunch of stuff, swapping pullies to different sizes etc..
then I saw an extra coil bracket.. i eyeballed it and thought.. hey that may work
There's a threaded hole near the head that I can bolt it to...

So I started cutting


Then I bolted it in the hole.. hmmm

appears to line up to the other accessory items


I flipped it around so the edge was jutting out, threw a belt on it and wha-la! free PS delete


This pic shows where I cut the bracket sort of rests on a lip on the side of block. It's very rigid

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if anyone is wondering, it's an 87.5" belt I used

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You said you don't have a welder or anything so what are you doing for the f23 mounts?
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You said you don't have a welder or anything so what are you doing for the f23 mounts?


I got the custom F23 and engine brackets 3 years ago (literally.. 3/27/13) from Dan a.ka. fieroflyer here on the forums
They just sat in my garage. He also did my wiring harness for both of my fieros. I’ve used him for a lot of things, great guy and not greedy with his pricing.
I just recently got new bushings and mounts from Rodney Dickman because my stock rubber ones were in very bad shape.
They can all been seen in this pic

I’m starting to think getting a welder and learning how would be a wise investment. Someday when I have a bigger garage.. right now I have hardly any room to do anything in there.
When you have to move your snow blower, air compressor and grill into the driveway just to get at your car… you have a problem.

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don't have much of an update... but took out the trunk carpet to get a better idea of the rust status.

Also found some under the insulation where the air box was.


so.. not sure how i want to tackle these.


besides that just got some more goodies

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thanks!

I painted the exhaust manifold.. I just left the heat shields right on it... because why not?



Also, battery tray out.

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Just bought this guy from Amazon: 9-201-1000 DW200 series, 255lph in-tank fuel pump w/ Universal Install Kit


Good pump and I think you will like it. There is also a "No Fault" warranty with the pump.

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Good pump and I think you will like it. There is also a "No Fault" warranty with the pump.

Nelson


Thats good to hear!

Pulled out the tank today actually, haven't looked inside yet but I'll be replacing pretty much everything. Hopefully inside the tank looks good.


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I know I'm not the only one... but my collection of "not used" parts is starting to get a little out of hand.


Today I set out to get rid of the old bushings to put in some new poly
My torch ran out of juice.. So I started using my drill.
There's a lot of techniques for getting these out. Some like to use a tiny bit and drill the outside of the bushing.
I tried that but was breaking my drill bits... so instead I drilled 4 or 5 larger holes in the rubber, then stuck one of my punches from my air hammer in the metal sleeve.


Then I whacked it with my mallet and it popped right out.



rinse and repeat.. no broken bits and no sticky rubber residue


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