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17x11 wheels on 86 fiero, HELP! by 86lsfierogt
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Report this Post01-31-2014 04:32 PM Click Here to See the Profile for 86lsfierogtClick Here to Email 86lsfierogtSend a Private Message to 86lsfierogtEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
So just this summer I am planning on putting some rims and painting my fiero gt. What do i need to do to make 17x9.5 and 17x11 wheels fit on my fiero, i am probably using adapters but what do i need to do to the suspension and body to make it work? Any comments would help thanks!
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Is this for a body kit? I'm sure someone else can give exact details (there's a chart floating around here that you can see the effects of wheel size, and offsets). I'm thinking you are going to need to look for a wide track suspension kit, and completely change the panels to either flares or some other widened panel. You'll probably end up with wheels out about 4" when you're done. Whatever you do...avoid "spacers".

You will need to tell people the offsets you are proposing.

I'll look for the chart...someone will probably post it before I find it...

Wide track kit... http://arrautmotorsports.co...pension-information/

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Found it...

You might be able to get away with a small spacer, depending on your offset. I'm not a fan of spacers, but from the chart, it doesn't look as bad as I initially thought. The body panels will be the challenge. I'll let someone else comment on this, since I don't have any experience with installing flares.

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10" wheels would be a lot easier, and has been done right with a stock fiero body. You will require coil overs in the rear though.

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I am trying to keep it as stock as possible, i can maybe do a little flaring on the rear or so....the offset is +50...back space is 7.987 on the rear. Fromt is +56 offset
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Originally posted by 86lsfierogt:

I am trying to keep it as stock as possible, i can maybe do a little flaring on the rear or so....the offset is +50...back space is 7.987 on the rear. Fromt is +56 offset


You're never going to be able to keep things stock (mechanically or appearance) with this much wheel width. Likely going to need 2" spacers (or better yet, widetrack kit/coilovers) and 3" flares. Why do you want so much width?
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The maximum you can go is 17x10 with the proper offset.....and that is with a widebody kit or IMSA. On a stock Fiero. the rear of the wheel lip will be about 1/4" away from the strut knuckle in the rear and the front of the wheel will stick out 3" past the fender. If you go to a 19" wheel with coilovers, you can go with a 19x9.5 in the rear and tuck the entire wheel into the fender well due to the fact that the 19" wheel goes over the top of the strut knuckle. Here is Nosaints car with 19x9.5 in the rear.....on a stock body. Even at that width, he is right on the border of the wheel coming past the fender lip.


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It all depends on how much work you want to put into in. Fog shortened his lower a-arms and modified the top of the strut to fit some 325 ET street tires under his car. They didn't tuck completely under, but it was close. He ended up popping his panels out to cover them:




Build thread:
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/104511.html

I played around with a 10 1/2" wheel and got it tucked under the stock 88 notchie panels, but its 18" and I shortened the lateral links and relocated the top of the strut inboard 1". It was just a test fit as I wanted to get my LS4/F40 swap running and didn't want to spend the $$$ on the shorter axles that were needed for this mod to work. Eventually, I will get back to it.

Rear frame rail clearance:

Strut clearance:

From the rear. This was before I moved the top of the struts in, so the wheel has some positive camber.


Lots more pictures and measurements in this thread:
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/120740.html

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Originally posted by fieroguru:
Strut clearance:



Strange usage of the word "clearance"...
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Sorry guys didn't mean it like stock stock. I would want to get that kit for the suspension and probably pop the fenders out an inch. And cause i am getting the c4 grandsport wheels that's why im going that wide..
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Originally posted by 86lsfierogt:

... And cause i am getting the c4 grandsport wheels that's why im going that wide..


You didn't mention how you will handle the bolt pattern change... What is your plan?

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Plan on buying adapters with whatever space i need so i wont get spacers...
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Adapters are spacers, just with a different secondary bolt pattern.
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Yea thats what i ment
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Originally posted by IMSA GT:

The maximum you can go is 17x10 with the proper offset.....and that is with a widebody kit or IMSA. On a stock Fiero. the rear of the wheel lip will be about 1/4" away from the strut knuckle in the rear and the front of the wheel will stick out 3" past the fender. If you go to a 19" wheel with coilovers, you can go with a 19x9.5 in the rear and tuck the entire wheel into the fender well due to the fact that the 19" wheel goes over the top of the strut knuckle. Here is Nosaints car with 19x9.5 in the rear.....on a stock body. Even at that width, he is right on the border of the wheel coming past the fender lip.






9.5s will fit with 17's or larger on the 84-87 cars, but must be 18's or larger on the '88 cars... With the right offset, as you mentioned.
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Sereis8217's wearing an 18x9-45 on the rear of his Formula:
http://realfierotech.com/ph...opic.php?f=7&t=17776

WCF claims 17x9-45 will fit an 84-87 car.

From my measurements, I'm pretty sure 9.5 will fit on an '88. However, before you throw money down for wheels, get a Percey's Wheel Right or similar measurement tool to measure for yourself.

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I hope you dont think that the wide wheels and tires are going to improve handling.
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Yea i know that, its just for looks I've always wanted those rims on a fiero. I'm willing to buy the wide track and flare the fenders...
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Originally posted by olejoedad:

I hope you dont think that the wide wheels and tires are going to improve handling.


Why wouldn't they?
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Originally posted by Will:


Why wouldn't they?


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Originally posted by olejoedad:

I hope you don't think that the wide wheels and tires are going to improve handling.

You are implying that wider wheels and tires will NOT improve handling. Please explain.

I was under the impression that going to wider rear tires would improve handling if you could get the front/rear tire widths to match up with the Fiero's front/rear weight distribution. Roughly 45%/55%.

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There are limits to increased tire width for handling improvement. If you go too wide, the handling in real world conditions will suffer.
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Originally posted by olejoedad:

There are limits to increased tire width for handling improvement. If you go too wide, the handling in real world conditions will suffer.


Tell that to my Miata!


You would have to go pretty wide before you're going to stop seeing positive effects. My miata (2300lbs) is running 15x10" wheels with 275 tires, and believe it or not the fastest guys are running even wider! Sure, there will be a point where enough is enough, but a 10" or 11" wide lightweight wheel for Fiero will see handling improvements over a 7".

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Nice!
Stock suspension?
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Originally posted by olejoedad:

Nice!
Stock suspension?


A stock Miata rolls about that much on 195/50-15 street tires.

What I'm curious about is that camera set-up on the nose- is that two lenses?
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Originally posted by olejoedad:
If you go too wide, the handling in real world conditions will suffer.


A) Not with anything that will fit under a Fiero's bodywork.

B) Define "real world handling"
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Rain, rough pavement, tire wear..........
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Originally posted by KurtAKX:

A stock Miata rolls about that much on 195/50-15 street tires.

What I'm curious about is that camera set-up on the nose- is that two lenses?


It's got Koni sports with stiffer springs, and the camera is the 3D GoPro system.
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Originally posted by 86lsfierogt:

Sorry guys didn't mean it like stock stock. I would want to get that kit for the suspension and probably pop the fenders out an inch. And cause i am getting the c4 grandsport wheels that's why im going that wide..


You can get 17x8.75" wide for $140 and you won't have to rebuild the car to make them fit under the fender.
You'll still need adapters. http://www.pinnaclecorvette..._C6_p/oe-9453148.htm


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Originally posted by olejoedad:

Rain, rough pavement, tire wear..........


245/40R18 on the rear. Rainy days scare me especially on curvy off ramps. Handling and traction is great, but the more tire surface area under the same weight the greater the chance of hydroplaning on a car already prone to wanting to swap ends on slippery wet roads.
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Originally posted by olejoedad:

Rain, rough pavement, tire wear..........


Rain: As long as you don't hydroplane, if the car's balanced in the dry, it's balanced in the wet. Wide tires mean easier hydroplaning. So what? Weighing less than 3000# means easier hydroplaning. Don't drive summer tires in the winter.

Rough Pavement: Nothing handles well on rough pavement

Tire Wear: Alignment settings take care of this. If you're a grandma who never drives hard in the corners, why are you reading a thread on wide wheels and tires?

 
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245/40R18 on the rear. Rainy days scare me especially on curvy off ramps. Handling and traction is great, but the more tire surface area under the same weight the greater the chance of hydroplaning on a car already prone to wanting to swap ends on slippery wet roads.


If you have a rear bar, get rid of it.
I have 245's and the wet world is my playground, but it wasn't so when I had a rear bar.
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"If you're a grandma that doesn't drive hard in the corners............."

Now thats funny!

A tip of the hat to Kurt for pointing out my blunder.........

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Originally posted by olejoedad:

"If your a grandma that doesn't drive hard in the corners............."

Now thats funny!


The funniest part was when you could've used the "quote" function and didn't- Will used the proper (you're) and then you incorrectly paraphrased (your) in a response.

I know you're a well-respected engine swapping, Fiero-working-on guy around my neck of the woods, but out of curiosity, do you have any background with NASA, SCCA ITx or Solo, or HPDE?

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Posting from a smart phone isn't all it's cracked up to be.

Jeez!

My only point was this.......you cant just bolt supersize tires and wheels on a car and expect good handling without making other changes as well.

Flame on!
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Of course not, the car and suspension are a system and each factor affects many others.

However, any discussion of handling that doesn't begin and end with tires is wasted.
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Originally posted by Will:

Of course not, the car and suspension are a system and each factor affects many others.

However, any discussion of handling that doesn't begin and end with tires is wasted.


Exactly.
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