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DA6 and HR6 Compressor Teardown and Comparison by RWDPLZ
Started on: 08-25-2012 03:56 PM
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Report this Post08-25-2012 03:56 PM Click Here to See the Profile for RWDPLZClick Here to visit RWDPLZ's HomePageSend a Private Message to RWDPLZEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post

Teardown and comparison of the DA6 and HR6 compressors. The compressors are externally almost identical, so telling them apart is nearly impossible, unless the original sticker is still on it and readable. First, the original DA6 from my 84 Fiero SE. I removed the clutch hub, pulley, and clutch coil, and cleaned the end off with a wire wheel. Sometimes these can get REALLY dirty, and the best way I've found to clean them, is to plug the ports on the back, spray the compressor down with engine degreaser, and hose it off. You want it to be as clean as possible before opening it.



Remove the 6 bolts with washers, and remove the front head. This reveals the head gasket and front valve plate



From left to right: head gasket, valve plate, and suction reed



Top of the compressor with the above parts removed, showing the cylinders and pistons



Rear head removed, as it came off, showing the rear suction reed.



Rear head with the head gasket, valve plate, and suction reed removed.



If you look closely at the inner ring here, you can see two holes drilled into the casting. These go to the other side, where the pressure switches are.



Top of the rear head



Exploded view of the compressor



Front of the HR6 compressor. Completely identical.



The through bolts, completely identical as well.



Front head removed



Back of the HR6



Front shaft cleaned with a red scotchbrite pad, so the new front seal will actually seal.



Front head viewed from the back, showing the back of the suction reed. Notice the diamond-shaped portion.



Another head gasket and valve plate



Front head casting, identical to the DA6, just cleaner



Comparison of the two front heads, DA6 bottom, HR6 top



Front seal removed. With the compressor assembled, this requires a special tool. With the compressor apart, you can just punch it out from the rear with a screwdriver and hammer.



With the seal removed, there is still an o-ring down in the bore. a curved hook makes removing it a breeze.





New seal kits to rebuild the compressor. On the left, the new front seal, o-ring, and installation tool. On the right, the new seals for the compressor, including the large body seals and head gaskets.



Rear head removed



Rear head, note again the diamond shaped part



Rear heads comparison, the casting is identical, the only difference is the machining. The rear head on this HR6 does not have a second switch. The indentation is there, but they didn't drill the hole, or machine the recess for the snap ring.





Comparison of the front and rear valve plates, they are different



The center section separated, showing the pistons. Notice the small o-ring at the bottom. This is also included in the above kit.



Reassembly is the reverse, with new seals coated in mineral oil, even if you're doing an R-134A conversion. In the case of this HR6, I had to reclock it to use it in the Fiero. This is what the correct compressor clocking looks like:

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Cool. Do you have pics of the pulley/clutch removal and replacement process/tools?

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Report this Post08-25-2012 06:29 PM Click Here to See the Profile for RWDPLZClick Here to visit RWDPLZ's HomePageSend a Private Message to RWDPLZEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post

 
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Originally posted by ltlfrari:

Cool. Do you have pics of the pulley/clutch removal and replacement process/tools?



Even better, here's a video:



It's an R4 compressor, but the procedure is identical.

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Report this Post06-02-2014 11:36 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Marine1981Click Here to visit Marine1981's HomePageSend a Private Message to Marine1981Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post

Where can you buy the rebuild kits from? I have a ton of them laying around lol.

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Report this Post06-03-2014 10:51 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Kevin87FieroGTSend a Private Message to Kevin87FieroGTEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post

Nice write up, always wondered about the internal differences. Appreciate the photos.

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Report this Post10-29-2018 08:39 PM Click Here to See the Profile for WillClick Here to Email WillSend a Private Message to WillEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post

So, I got this far...

I'm modifying a new Four Seasons Fiero compressor to work with my Northstar swap.

My dad put together the puller apparatus to remove the pulley & clutch, incorporating 9mm(!) metrix threads--thanks GM and we used a 3 jaw puller to remove the clutch coil.

We then pulled the six front plate to rear plate bolts, according to this thread, resulting in this:



However, in trying to break the front plate loose from the cylinder block, the cylinder block broke loose from the swash plate housing. We haven't yet been able to separate the front plate from the cylinder block. Anyone have ideas?

I guess we just need to come up with a way to clamp the cylinder block down, then tap on the front plate lugs with a hammer to break the stick of the gasket.

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Report this Post10-30-2018 06:55 AM Click Here to See the Profile for RWDPLZClick Here to visit RWDPLZ's HomePageSend a Private Message to RWDPLZEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post

Both of those came apart pretty easily. Try putting the nut back on the threaded part of the shaft, put it on a flat surface, and push by the mounting ears, maybe a rubber mallet if that doesn't work?

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Both of those came apart pretty easily. Try putting the nut back on the threaded part of the shaft, put it on a flat surface, and push by the mounting ears, maybe a rubber mallet if that doesn't work?


Ok, so I probably just need to get a better grip on the cylinder block. Thanks.

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Report this Post11-24-2018 01:10 PM Click Here to See the Profile for NotorioSend a Private Message to NotorioEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post

What an excellent write up! Any chance you have a close-up shot of the seals that get destroyed in Black Death?

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What an excellent write up! Any chance you have a close-up shot of the seals that get destroyed in Black Death?


I believe that black death has to do mainly with internal mechanical failure.

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Report this Post12-07-2018 12:01 AM Click Here to See the Profile for NotorioSend a Private Message to NotorioEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post

Seals was probably not the right word ... I meant whatever it is on the pistons that slowly disintegrate w/o sufficient oil, shedding black particles, and finally allow metal-on-metal grinding to commence and unleash the metal chips ...

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