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Is Pontiac Fiero The Most customized & Modified Car Ever Built? by canfirst
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Is Pontiac Fiero the most customized and modified car/vehicle platform ever built? The Fiero platform has been used for numerous Kit Cars, Exotic Replicas, Meras, Zimmer Quicksilvers, Concept 2000 GT's, Motorcycle Trikes, and countless engine conversions.
Is there any other mass produced production vehicle that has been more popular for vehicle conversions and transformations than the versatile Fiero?
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VW Beetle was used for lots of stuff. So was the model T.
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I would also add 55-57 Chevy, 67-69 Camaro and the Fox body Mustang to that list. Fiero may be one of the most versatile, but it was very low production compared to the others listed. There were 15 million(!) Model T's.

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I would suspect that there have been more VW mods than Fiero mods. Only because there were more VWs built, and for a longer period of time.
Don't forget all the VW based dune buggies, sand rails, and other rebodies.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meyers_Manx

Of course, you can buy enough pieces from the aftermarket that you can build your own VW engine (or probably an entire car) without ever owning an original VW part. You can't really do that with a Fiero. (Mark Corbin made the same statement about the Corvair, but they're not nearly as popular as the VW.)

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Fiero production numbers are too low for it to beat out much longer running cars. Model T and VW have already been mentioned. I would imagine either one of those would take the title. Ford built over 14 *Million* Model T's between 1909 and 1927.
http://www.mtfca.com/encyclo/fdprod.htm

14 Million cars that have been around for over a century compared to about 370,000 cars that have been around for 30 years.

Do a Google search for "Fiero" and you get about 789,000 results.
Do a Google search for "T Bucket" and you get over 6 million.

No contest.

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Yeah, I think the VW Beetle beats out the Fiero in that department. And the T-bucket is a staple of hot-rodding.

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I would guess the beetle, being it had a 70 year production run ..
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Think he is saying it has the most potential to be changed then any other car, and I agree.
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Originally posted by racingfortheson:

Think he is saying it has the most potential to be changed then any other car, and I agree.


Agree.

I think he is talking about variety and the many different "cars" a Fiero had been turned into - not raw numbers.


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Originally posted by fierosound:


Agree.

I think he is talking about variety and the many different "cars" a Fiero had been turned into - not raw numbers.




Even with that criteria, the Fiero does not come close to the beetle. Google "pontiac fiero kit car" - 54,000 results, "vw beetle kit car" - 1.25 million results.

The beetle just had tons more made and was around a lot longer. Everything from dune buggies to super car clones were made from the beetle platform.

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Originally posted by mrfred8:
Even with that criteria, the Fiero does not come close to the beetle. Google "pontiac fiero kit car" - 54,000 results, "vw beetle kit car" - 1.25 million results.

The beetle just had tons more made and was around a lot longer. Everything from dune buggies to super car clones were made from the beetle platform.



Anyone stick a V8 in the rear of a VW bug without it lookin weird ????? A lambo clone with an aircool engine

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You are forgetting the Fiero-Boat ...



and Trailer ...



and Sedan ...



and 4WD ...



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and Sedan ...





 
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an enclosed automobile body having two or four doors and seating four or more persons on two full-width seats.


The Quicksilver is still only a 2 seater.
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why would you stick a v8 in a vw to make a super car. the Porsche 911 setup bolts in. its used in many clones. the body literally unbolts from the floor. one reason people have also stuck bug bodies on truck frames. The vw has the largest uses out there and most versatility. The aftermarket community is still building many upgrades. you can take a 1950 vw and bolt on rack and pinion electric power steering 4 wheel disk brakes coil over suspensions. Motors are up to 3liters bolt in with turbo setups.
On the v8 subject. I have seen motors put in on a tube chassis that located in the front with a transmission down the center to a rear diff. Its completely under the factory body and with tinted windows up and just looking at the body it would look stock.
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Im with tesmith. Tri five chevies have to top the list.
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Just for customizing, Corvettes have a huge following and aftermarket. Custom Corvettes google search turned up 614,000 links. Modified Corvettes got 671,000. Simply google Corvette and you get a mind boggling 558 MILLION hits.

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Hot Rod also put out statistics on the most common cars to attend Power Tour. It confims 55-57 Chevys, 67-69 Camaros, and Mustangs dominate the list.
I think the Fiero still needs to be accepted as a classic before it could be added to that list. Local clubs getting Fiero specific or 80s specific classes added to shows really helps.

At the Pontiac IL all Pontiac show NIFE was able to get our own class and we had 13-14 Fieros show up. I know we had a lot of people stopping by asking about them even when surrounded by 100s of GTO, Lemans, Firebirds, etc.
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Growing up in the 70s I can say without a doubt bugs win for total number of bugs converted and the number of varieties! I had friends with;rolls royce,flower power,rail buggy,speed buggy,dragster running 10s,supper buggy,gattor with pto propeller,and my favorite, the friend who had seen they float but his door seals were shot so it was labeled the VW submarine!
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Herbie had a small block chevy (v8) for some of the iterations. It was one of the wheelie cars in the movie. It took up the back seat, though.

I don't know about the bug, but the Porsche engines bolt right into the old bus.
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I guess I'll partake in this antique thread.

The answer is..... Fat chance!

There were millions of Camaros, Firebirds and Mustangs built and a good percentage of them got and get customized on a daily basis.

Hell, even an old Model A is more customized than a Fiero ever will be.
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Don't forget about older vehicles like the 32 Ford. That thing has been a classic hot rod/project car for DECADES. It may not have the variety of the Fiero, but I will say it is customized far more often.
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Originally posted by Napoleon_Tanerite:

Don't forget about older vehicles like the 32 Ford. That thing has been a classic hot rod/project car for DECADES. It may not have the variety of the Fiero, but I will say it is customized far more often.


The Model T is pretty high up there in total production numbers at something like 16.5 million.

VW Beetle was about 21.5 million though, and VW Golf has sold over 24 million.

Ford F series pickup and Toyota Corolla have both sold more than that though, over 25 million.

So next time you see someone driving a Corolla with chrome plated non-functional stick-on vents, remember that it's probably the most customized car ever built.
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Originally posted by Napoleon_Tanerite:

Don't forget about older vehicles like the 32 Ford. That thing has been a classic hot rod/project car for DECADES.
It may not have the variety of the Fiero, but I will say it is customized far more often.


Uh.... That's what a Model A is....

 
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Originally posted by Thunderstruck GT:

I guess I'll partake in this antique thread.

The answer is..... Fat chance!

There were millions of Camaros, Firebirds and Mustangs built and a good percentage of them got and get customized on a daily basis.

Hell, even an old Model A is more customized than a Fiero ever will be.

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Pointing out my lack of attention to detail


Sorry, I saw guys reference the Model T, missed the Model A. Point remains.
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A 32 Ford is not a Model "A". Model "A" ran from 1928 to 1931

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VW by a long shot holds that offer and the Fiero while it has many modified cars is way down on the list compared to many cars like Mustangs, Camaros and many other cars made in much greater numbers.
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I know this is mostly about American sold cars, but Any vehicle with a Lucas ignition ended up getting modified.....just sayin..
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For most mechanical mods per car probably wrx or skylines.
Most body mods on a chassis Type 3 VW
Cheapest car with most potential to improve fiero.
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