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IMSA Wide Body? by katatak
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Can someone tell me about this car? Is it am IMSA or another wide body kit. Thanks in advance!

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looks like a tweeked IMSA to me.
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It looks like Doug's standard notchback IMSA kit but the person added the 2 separators to each intake vent. Doug's kit has one large opening per side.
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What's it worth? Running Driving Auto / V6 - 62k on the clock. New Paint.

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I dunno, something seems off about the angles of the rear fenders. Could just be the wheels though, its really hard to get a good set of wheels to fill those fenders

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put some wheel spacers on that thing!, then get wrap aroun spoiler to complete the look
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Originally posted by FieroCanada:

put some wheel spacers on that thing!, then get wrap aroun spoiler to complete the look



Nah the IMSA is one of those things that you need to fill the whole fender, it would look like ass without it, these are the backs of both of mine, kinda need that look to complete the kit




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IMSA is a race. DGP is the body style. Rick B
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Originally posted by SuperchargedV6:

IMSA is a race. DGP is the body style. Rick B


Thanks for the correction Rick, Up until recently, I did not pay much attention to the details behind the wide bodies. So I have this correct though,

DGP made the bodies we see on most "stock" road driven Fieros? OMSA GT mentioned "Dougs"? I'm assuming this is another manufacturer of a wide body? Anything special I need to look for to identify the body? If it runs and drives as claimed and it's not a rust bucket underneath, I'll probably make an offer and try to bring it home. This could be number 12!
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DGP was a maker who sold the molds to IRM who in turn sold the molds to Fiero warehouse.

Here's a list of who made what.

DGP
Stage 1 (fancy kinda skirting kit)
stage 2 (like the banshee fiero monkey has)
Stage 3 (my notchback)
(they also made the original race body's

IRM made all 3 of them and jim also made the GT wide body, (don't know about race bodies )

Fiero warehouse (current maker)
makes all the ones listed above with a few changes to the body and accessories. (also don't know about race bodies)

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Looks like a nice car Pat. Aside from those Vette wheels it looks very good.
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Sorry Pontiackid I own the original Stage Two. The one you mention was a race body modified in Colorado to fit a fFero. Mine was the original for the Fiero and meant to copy the Race Body mine was also Stage 1 but quickly rolled in the shop and transformed to the Stage II. My car was every car below. Katatak DGP and Fiero Warehouse kept the DGP stamp in each fender when you look at the bolt on areas up top, Not sure if IRM sanded it off the molds. Rick B







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Also the wide body GT was a DGP mold and car along with whale tail. Rick B

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Hey Rick, I called the number on that shirt and no one answered.....
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katatak , get it and you can join in on all the fun we IMSA owners have
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Originally posted by pontiackid86:

katatak , get it and you can join in on all the fun we IMSA owners have




They're head turners! (even my ugly duckling...lol)



now has the correct whale tail.

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They're head turners! (even my ugly duckling...lol)



now has the correct whale tail.


I actually like the original spoiler with that one. It makes it look lower like a drag car I think. Rick
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Bought it - drove it home 260 miles - all is good!
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Can't say for sure, but I'd GUESS that there's a possibility that car started out as an IRM (or DGP) wide body kit.

The reasoning behind this is, among the molds/parts that Doug bought from IRM, there were two incomplete panels that make just the ribs to fit in the rear quarter scoop opening.

They are what served as the inspiration for what Fierowarehouse sells as Ribbed IMSA Quarter Panels.
I used what came from IRM to produce the center section and grafted it into the L&R quarter panels, which became the plugs used to make the molds that produce the Ribbed IMSA panels that we still sell.

Again, I don't KNOW that the car presented in this thread (the red one the OP asked about) is indeed an IRM wide body, but it looks like it could be, given the facts I've presented here. Never seen another one like it anywhere, but we still have the ribbed sections that came from IRM.

Just a little "trivia"

HAGO!

Edit to add: After having looked at your other post showing the front end, I'd say that it IS an IRM or DGP wide body kit. Couldn't see the front end in the pics in this thread, but the front and rear bumper seperation lines are kind of a dead give-a-way. This must be the car that the ribs were made for. Would be interesting to know the history and if the original buyer of this car special ordered the rear quarter panels with the ribs, or if it was something Jim Sutter just wanted to try.

Nice find!

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Bought it - drove it home 260 miles - all is good!


Congrats Pat. Enjoy the car.
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yes!... Congrats Pat!... nice score!
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wanted to put ribs on mine.........
don't cut this one up Pat!!!
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Thanks for the replies - No plans to cut this one up. I'm just going to fix the little issues and drive / enjoy it!

Out of all the Fieros I've messed with, I miss the bone stock Formula the most. I get that same "driving enjoyment" feeling with this car. I will give it the care it deserves and will soon be another great example of a wide body.

P.S. Where can I find a set of those wheels like on H.D's car? I also like the look with the stock wing - I'll be keeping mine.

Can anyone tell me what back space or offset I need and how wide of a rim I can use in the back / front?

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Originally posted by katatak:

Can anyone tell me what back space or offset I need and how wide of a rim I can use in the back / front?



If you plan on staying with a 15"-17" wheel, and stock struts/springs, the rears can be 10" wide. The fronts 8" to 8.5" wide. The kit is 3 inches wider than stock in the rear so with the stock lace wheels being 7" wide, you can add another 3" to the outside of the wheel.

If you go to an 18"-20" wheel, the rears can be as wide as 12" with the proper coilover shocks.
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If you plan on staying with a 15"-17" wheel, and stock struts/springs, the rears can be 10" wide. The fronts 8" to 8.5" wide. The kit is 3 inches wider than stock in the rear so with the stock lace wheels being 7" wide, you can add another 3" to the outside of the wheel.

If you go to an 18"-20" wheel, the rears can be as wide as 12" with the proper coilover shocks.


Thanks for the reply - so I'm clear, I can look for a 17" wheel that is 10" wide with the stock offset for the rear and a 17" wheel that is 8 or 8.5 inch wide with stock offset for the front? Sounds easy? Or maybe I'm being overly optimistic?
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Thanks for the reply - so I'm clear, I can look for a 17" wheel that is 10" wide with the stock offset for the rear and a 17" wheel that is 8 or 8.5 inch wide with stock offset for the front? Sounds easy? Or maybe I'm being overly optimistic?


That is correct. The offset remains the same for up to a 17" wheel. If you go to an 18" or bigger, the wheel will then clear the rear strut knuckle and then you can move the wheel inwards more which changes the offset.
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A lot of three piece 5x 100 wheels here.

http://www.stanceworks.com/...orumdisplay.php?f=16

congrats on the buy.

more pics !!!
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Originally posted by katatak:


Thanks for the reply - so I'm clear, I can look for a 17" wheel that is 10" wide with the stock offset for the rear and a 17" wheel that is 8 or 8.5 inch wide with stock offset for the front? Sounds easy? Or maybe I'm being overly optimistic?


Not 17, but nice !

http://www.ebay.com/itm/130...e=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
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Pat-
The wheels on my car are Centerline 928's. And as already mentioned, you want 10" wide wheels on the back. My car has 2" spacers on the rear to get the 8" rear rims out where they need to be. My fronts are 7.5". These wheels are EXTREMELY hard to find. I'm still trying to find 10" rears with no luck so far.
Congratulations on the buy!

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Exoticse - thanks for those links - lots to wade through.

H.D. thanks for the info on your wheels. I've seen those before for sale but never really paid much attention to them. I remember they were pretty pricey too! Not sure what I'll do for wheel. There are way too many "options". I'm not opposed to wheel adapters or spacers as I've run those on the 4.9 XTC with no issues. I spent most the night last night looking at wheels - my head is fried just thinking about it. Tinkering with the car some more today - I can't take it out in public with these ugly ass wheels that are on there now.

So if I find a 17X10 inch wheel, what do you all think I can do for tire size in the rear? Thanks in advance for your replies.
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In the rear 315/35/17

Tirerack has Sumitomos for $142 each. Here are the specs:


As for wheels, I was looking at these. They sell 17x10 in a 5x100 with a +25 offset which is approximately 1" which would mean you need a 1" wheel spacer........if my measurements are correct:
http://www.supremepowerpart...hop_by_category.html

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The very CLOSEST fit I could find is by ESM wheels. They sell stock looking wheels that simply look badass. They have 17x10 in a 5x100 with a 15mm offset which means the wheel is pushed inwards .59 inches. I don't know how much clearance a stock 15" wheel has from the strut knuckle but these MAY be able to be a direct fit.
http://esmwheels.com/access/17-c-21_91_34_63.html

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I like the second one too!

I did find these on E Bay. As a set - 17X8.5 fronts with a 30ET (30mm?) and 17X10 rear with a 20ET (20mm?). To get 30ET (assuming that's the same as 30mm) like the stock GT wheel, I would need a 10mm spacer? All these offsets and backspacing and "ET" boggles my mind.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/17x...sh-Lip-/231206538598

And these - not sure if a 9" would work up front though - 25mm on the 9" and 20mm on the 10"
http://www.ebay.com/itm/XXR...OFFSET-/321363325042
in silver
http://www.ebay.com/itm/XXR...SX-S14-/321363324894

And I'm really liking these - 25mm on the 8" and 20mm on the 10"
http://www.ebay.com/itm/XXR...SX-S14-/331163436706


What do you think about a Diamond or Aero or Basset steel racing wheel? Something like this one.
http://www.bassettwheel.com/dhole_lightweight.html

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I have thought about the XXR wheels before but their math skills scare me. If you have a 10" wheel with "0" offset, the wheel is perfectly centered with 5 inches sticking outward and 5 inches sticking inward from the wheel hub. If you add a 20mm offset to a 10" wheel, that means you will have a wheel that has an offset of 5.78. You will have 5.78" of wheel inwards and 4.22" of wheel on the outside. They list the backspace as 6.29". I don't understand their measurements.
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The very CLOSEST fit I could find is by ESM wheels. They sell stock looking wheels that simply look badass.



BBS and Prime had wheels that looked like that.
It was a popular style OEM on German cars.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.h...s+5x100+rim&_sacat=0

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BBS and Prime had wheels that looked like that. I think BMW has that pattern too, but the bolt circle is wrong.



I remember the BBS wheels. They looked very nice.
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Exoticse - thanks for those links - lots to wade through.

H.D. thanks for the info on your wheels. I've seen those before for sale but never really paid much attention to them. I remember they were pretty pricey too! Not sure what I'll do for wheel. There are way too many "options". I'm not opposed to wheel adapters or spacers as I've run those on the 4.9 XTC with no issues. I spent most the night last night looking at wheels - my head is fried just thinking about it. Tinkering with the car some more today - I can't take it out in public with these ugly ass wheels that are on there now.

So if I find a 17X10 inch wheel, what do you all think I can do for tire size in the rear? Thanks in advance for your replies.


you are welcome,..i also feel your pain on the wheel front. my widebody choptop has had wrong sized wheels for a looong time and i have not even wanted to drive it or take it out until i get that resolved.

lucked up on a cheap set of 3 piece hre wheels and soon i will be proud to wheel her out.

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