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A guy said i had a Toyota in my driveway today, WTF by 84fiero123
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back on topic, its a Fiero, made in USA, with more materials Made in USA than anything made today.




Actually Toyota is 80-90% made in the USA today. The Fiero most likely had parts imported from other countries and if you include the GM Canada connections I'd bet the Fiero is equal or less.

You might find this link interesting http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Ma...erican-made-13795239

Check out some modern GM cars and compare them to the "foreign" equivalents.

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Correction this link is better even though it's a few years old.

http://abcnews.go.com/Busin...rs/story?id=13801165

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back on topic, its a Fiero, made in USA, with more materials Made in USA than anything made today.

But just to make you happy and because you are such an arrogant Jap lover. I spell Toyota, Toilettota because that is what I think of them, they are toilets made by ota, now do you understand. don't answer that, I don't care if you do or not.

What is so hard to understand is you keeping to try to derail a thread about a guy who thinks a Fiero is made by Toyota, there you happy I spelt it right twice just for you.

you still have yet to answer my question just how much of the Fiero do you really think did not come from the USA? Go ahead, prove just how smart you are, now don't hurt yourself trying.

Steve



Look, it's trying to think!

I never said the Fiero wasn't made in the US. But I'm not going to make some wild ass guess like you love to do, about what percentage of the car didn't originate in the US. I don't have the materials quantities for the car, or the sales records for where GM was supplied with them, so that the components of the car could be produced.

I don't need to prove to you or anyone "how smart I am." But you certainly seem to love proving how smart you are not.

What's hard to understand, is why you have to be such a bigoted codger to people you disagree with. You can't even reply to simple disagreements on the forum without trying to make direct personal insults several times in a single reply.
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Look, it's trying to think!

I never said the Fiero wasn't made in the US. But I'm not going to make some wild ass guess like you love to do, about what percentage of the car didn't originate in the US. I don't have the materials quantities for the car, or the sales records for where GM was supplied with them, so that the components of the car could be produced.

I don't need to prove to you or anyone "how smart I am." But you certainly seem to love proving how smart you are not.

What's hard to understand, is why you have to be such a bigoted codger to people you disagree with. You can't even reply to simple disagreements on the forum without trying to make direct personal insults several times in a single reply.


No you must be an engineer so you know it all, get over yourself and get back on topic or leave. hey you were the one who started all this Off Topic BS about bigotry I simply said in my first post the guy was wrong about the Fiero being a Toyota, (There happy I spelled it right, just for you) You are the one calling me a bigot for trying to support US made products and showing someone how they are wrong who pulled into my driveway and first words out of his mouth were and I quote,

"You know thats made by Toyota"

Steve

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Correction this link is better even though it's a few years old.

http://abcnews.go.com/Busin...rs/story?id=13801165



Ayup and that is what I have said all alone that our Fiero has more US made parts in it than any car made today In the US. But go ahead derail the thread I'm done dealing with people who can't stay on topic.

But you wont stop now will you

now its nice that you found a flawed study slanted to make you feel happy and all warm all over, but as I said the study if flawed and slanted to make Toyota look good in the eyes of the stupid reader who will never do any more research to make sure the study has some validity.

The Truth About American-Made Vehicles

By Daniel Miller | More Articles
April 21, 2013 | Comments (144)


I keep hearing rumblings from consumers and investors about how Toyota (NYSE: TM ) and Honda (NYSE: HMC ) vehicles are more American made than those from Ford (NYSE: F ) , General Motors (NYSE: GM ) , or Chrysler. So many people seem to believe this that I had to look into it myself. A simple search turned up a Cars.com "American-made index," which indeed declared that four of the top five most American made vehicles were Japanese models.

Fortunately for you readers -- and Detroit -- I was skeptical and dug deeper. The truth is that Ford, General Motors, and Chrysler are much more American made and the Cars.com index is deeply flawed. Here's what you need to know about buying American-made vehicles, and why it's important for consumers and investors.

Flawed
The Cars.com index takes in to account whether cars are assembled here, the percentage of domestic parts used, and whether they're bought in large numbers. I scratch my head a little bit at that last factor. I understand that the point is to discount vehicles that could be 100% made here yet sell only 10 units. But in reality, there are much better factors to consider when measuring for the most American-made vehicles.

In addition, the Cars.com index seems to minimize the importance of domestic parts bought. GM doesn't have a single car in the top five of the index, yet consider that GM alone buys as many U.S. parts as Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Subaru, Mitsubishi, and all other Japanese automakers combined. Surprised? Wait -- it gets better.

Another thing the index fails to recognize is where the companies are headquartered. While the Japanese automakers do have plants and offices here, they aren't headquartered where the majority of their R&D money is spent. Detroit's Big Three are all headquartered here and have eight times the numbers of workers here that Toyota, Honda, and Nissan do. Detroit spends more on R&D here in the U.S. per year than juggernaut companies such as Boeing, Intel, Google, Apple, Hewlett-Packard, and ExxonMobil -- again, combined.

Made and sold here
While the Cars.com index uses volume in its calculation, it does so in a flawed way. Wouldn't you rather calculate which vehicles that are made in the U.S. and also sold here? The data ignores that Detroit's Big Three, on average, sell one and a half times as many U.S.-made vehicles into the U.S. market as its foreign counterparts do.

At this point, I decided to scrap the Cars.com index, and I found a much better study done by Prof. Frank DuBois of the Kogod School of Business at American University. This study viewed 253 cars, trucks, and SUVs to determine which had the most domestic content. It took into account labor, R&D, inventory, capital spent, engine parts, transmission parts, body, interior, chassis, electrical, and profits.

Tied at the top of this list, with a score of 88.5 out of a 100, were the Buick Enclave, Chevy Traverse, and GMC Acadia, which were all made in Michigan. Ford's F-Series -- the No. 1 truck in the U.S. -- was tied for second, with the Dodge Avenger at 87.5. Next up were two American muscle icons -- the Mustang and Corvette -- with a score of 85. You have to go down to a score of 81 to find the first foreign vehicle -- the Toyota Avalon. These results are a world away from the Cars.com index, yet, in my opinion, are much more accurate.

Buy American
The best thing that could happen for Ford and GM investors is for the American public to once again back our automotive industry and actually buy American. Our auto industry supports nearly 8 million U.S. jobs and is expected to hire as many as 34,000 more workers over the next five years -- led by Ford and GM.

But while some consumers still think Japanese cars are as American-made as American cars are, others don't buy American because they think our vehicles are still poorer in quality. Consider this: Since 2010, Toyota and Honda have the most recalls of any automaker. Moreover, Toyota, previously known for its industry-leading quality, has more recalls than the No. 2 and 3 spots combined, or GM tripled.

Ford and GM aren't the same two companies that pumped out terrible vehicles and had management that ran themselves into the ground. Both are producing quality and, most importantly, American-made vehicles.

Maybe it's time to give Detroit a second chance.

http://www.fool.com/investi...n-made-vehicles.aspx

and yet another study that proved you wrong,

http://www.allpar.com/news/...in-made-in-usa-index

but never let the truth get in the way of a good argument and prove you are wrong.

Steve

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i had a guy walk up to mr at a gas station once asking me if my 88 was a ferrari looked at him and said nope its a fiero then he said well it looks like a ferrari lol
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re: 84Fiero123 GM isn't American made. Most of the tech comes from Holden in Australia. How much of the Camaro is American? I found an article that used math and you find an article that uses jingoism and false assumptions. My article is NPR and yours is The Enquirer.

Also you need to make up your mind. Is your GM the one you love, the one that made the Fiero? Is it the one that made crap and ran the company into the ground? You've said both. Is the new GM really American? You said earlier that the Fiero was more American than any car made today but now you say GM is American again? I suppose they moved their plants in the last 5 hours to help you feel better about yourself.

I'm done here.
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I'm done here.


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No you must be an engineer so you know it all, get over yourself and get back on topic or leave. hey you were the one who started all this Off Topic BS about bigotry I simply said in my first post the guy was wrong about the Fiero being a Toyota, (There happy I spelled it right, just for you) You are the one calling me a bigot for trying to support US made products and showing someone how they are wrong who pulled into my driveway and first words out of his mouth were and I quote,

"You know thats made by Toyota"

Steve



After you. It's not off topic BS. It is the exact topic of this thread. Go re-read all your posts (before you went back and edited them), and the first reply to the thread.

Or maybe you'll just go through and edit all your posts some more, to try and make yourself look a bit nicer. You seem to enjoy doing that too.
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After you. It's not off topic BS. It is the exact topic of this thread. Go re-read all your posts (before you went back and edited them), and the first reply to the thread.

Or maybe you'll just go through and edit all your posts some more, to try and make yourself look a bit nicer. You seem to enjoy doing that too.


Only thing I edit about my posts are spelling, add an S at eh end of a word or something similar. but then I am not afraid of looking bad or wrong, the problem is you and others seem to think I was wrong by feeling insulted that the guy thought the Fiero was a Toyota, happy I spelt it right just for you.

is the Fiero a Toyota?
or am I also wrong about that?
just how many Toyota parts are in a Fiero?

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if you really are so set on talking about how many parts in American manufacturers cars are, head to OT I have a thread there that has a very interesting study about just how the other studies are warped to make it look like Toyota and Honda and others are more American than the big 3, it might open those closed eyes of yours. I doubt it but anything is possible.

here I will even give you a link so you don't have to search

http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum6/HTML/106358.html

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if you really are so set on talking about how many parts in American manufacturers cars are, head to OT I have a thread there that has a very interesting study about just how the other studies are warped to make it look like Toyota and Honda and others are more American than the big 3, it might open those closed eyes of yours. I doubt it but anything is possible.

here I will even give you a link so you don't have to search

http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum6/HTML/106358.html

Steve


LOL. You disagree with the facts, so the facts are "warped" instead of being facts. Who will open your eyes exactly? And who were you replying to anyway? I never mentioned "percentage of parts" as any sort of metric. I simply said there is no such thing as an "American" car any more, and there hasn't been in a very long time.
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Only thing I edit about my posts are spelling, add an S at eh end of a word or something similar. but then I am not afraid of looking bad or wrong, the problem is you and others seem to think I was wrong by feeling insulted that the guy thought the Fiero was a Toyota, happy I spelt it right just for you.

is the Fiero a Toyota?
or am I also wrong about that?
just how many Toyota parts are in a Fiero?

Steve


Nobody on this forum said that the Fiero was made by Toyota. But there are plenty of Fieros driving around with Toyota parts in them. Several owners on here have swapped in the MR2 EHPS pump unit as a power steering pump.

But the 80's Nova was a rebadged Toyota. Or maybe you refuse to remember that or accept it as fact too. I don't know exactly if any parts were shared between the Nova and Fiero, but if there were, it's certainly possible that some Fieros might have had Toyota parts in them as well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...1985.E2.80.931988.29

That partnership, and many others in GM's history of partnering with Toyota is probably what contributed to the confusion person whom said your car was made by Toyota, and contributes to much of the confusion about Toyota's V8trucks and participation in NASCAR today. Of course he wasn't right, but getting your panties in a wad and "almost taking his head off" as you put it, is not an acceptable response to his ignorance. I can point at the badging on an 80s Nova or a new Pontiac Vibe, but it doesn't mean it wasn't made by Toyota. They both were made by Toyota, and you know it. So why would you expect your pointing at the badging on a Fiero to somehow convince the guy that the Fiero wasn't made by Toyota? You need a better, rational argument, that doesn't involve "look at it" to convince him. Taking personal offense to his statement and getting your blood pressure up, aren't going to change his mind. Nor is coming on here and making a thread to ***** and moan about it; nor is being dismissive about facts that refute the irrationality of other statements made in the same thread about the manufacture of "American" cars.
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You need a better, rational argument, that doesn't involve "look at it" to convince him..


Maybe. The guy could also be one of those who thought the engine was in the front of all of them, and when you show them its in the back, he says "you must have moved it"

We werent there.

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I hate when someone comes up & starts telling me all kinds of bs about my car.

Do you own one? Have you ever? Then let me finish pumping gas & be on my way.

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Maybe. The guy could also be one of those who thought the engine was in the front of all of them, and when you show them its in the back, he says "you must have moved it"

We werent there.



Could be, but even so, "almost took his head off" is hardly an appropriate reaction. If it were, we wouldn't have to worry about it, because there wouldn't be anyone left in the world to deal with such nonsense. Our teachers would have taken all our heads off before we even made it to the third grade.
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I hate when someone comes up & starts telling me all kinds of bs about my car.

Do you own won? Have you ever? Then let me finish pumping gas & be on my way.


If owning a car was all one needed to know everything about that car, the world would already be a much better place. But we all know that just because someone owns a car, that it doesn't mean they know anything at all about it. There are plenty of car owners who have never even opened the hood, and probably wouldn't know how even if they needed to.
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Could be, but even so, "almost took his head off" is hardly an appropriate reaction. If it were, we wouldn't have to worry about it, because there wouldn't be anyone left in the world to deal with such nonsense. Our teachers would have taken all our heads off before we even made it to the third grade.


I think in your case that might have been a good thing.

But then you insist on derailing this thread instead of going into OT and discussing the thread with my link to a study by someone with more brains than you do, obviously.

Just how old are you and how much schooling do you have?

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I think in your case that might have been a good thing.

But then you insist on derailing this thread instead of going into OT and discussing the thread with my link to a study by someone with more brains than you do, obviously.

Just how old are you and how much schooling do you have?

Steve



Go knock your own head off.

But then you insist on continuing to reply. So who is derailing what? How about posting something topical, instead of trying to throw more insults and be completely dismissive about the topic (which you started).
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+1 on hating rice burners.
I work at a car dealership and they all feel cheap, unsafe, and clunky compared to our american cars.


I think a car that runs on rice would be pretty cheap to fuel up and keep running.

And maybe not a Fiero, but you should feel a scion tc or even a Yaris handling compared to a cobalt or cavalier or late model impala or something.
There's so much sway in the cobalts I couldn't drive one on the highway with the way I drive. It feels like I'm going to roll over when I lane change.

I used to do collision repair work for a chevy dealership here in Plano. And I hated driving those cobalts down the highway back to the dealership. Made me dang near S my pants every time.

My work car is a Yaris (I do foreclosure inspections). I've put 250,000 miles on it in 2 years. No repairs. Not a single one. No starter, alternator, bearings, etc replacements. Shoot I even had the same air filter and plugs the car came with till 120k miles. Just did oil changes every 3-5k. I do air filters every 2 or 3 oil changes now though :P I need all 95 of those horsepowers to work lol.
Not many cars can do better than that - even American built. My uncle just got a vett and the alto went out on his 45 mile trip home. His wife, my aunt has a pink vett (well known here in Dallas) and it stays in the shop. But I guess if you have that money...

Sorry. But I observe everything with a very open mind.

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I think when you are putting so many miles on a car so fast it tends to be more trouble free, you could probably do the same thing with a Chevy Sonic. I have a friend that works at Manheim auction in New Jersey and he gets to see a lot of different high mileage used cars. He rates the Yaris and Toyota products low and also the Cobalt but says the Subaru's hold up better.
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