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19's and 22's. No silly, windshield wipers. :) by Tony Kania
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Gave search a try? Is this a new idea?

I don't drive my GT in crappy weather if I don't have to. But lately the weather has been very dry up here, and I have been getting her out for some runs. Thing is, I never really use my wipers. Until recently, I probably popped them on a couple of times. It is like driving a Jeep. The wipers are 18", but the swept area is attrocious. Nothing like a newer car.

I took a look at our Audi, and noticed that the wipers were staggered? I did a little measuring on the Fiero, and figured that can be done here. So, after buying new wipers like 7 years ago, I went and grabbed a 19" for the passenger side, and a 22" for the driver side. The 19" is direct replacement. The 22" needs the plastic fastener off of the wiper before it. Just interchange the plastic fasteners, and installed the 22" wiper on the driver side.

What a difference in swept area. Like night and day. I needed to tweak the passenger side a bit, but only to stop it from hitting the hood. It did not need much. Even after a highway test, the wipers are just an interesting upgrade.





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Originally posted by Tony Kania:

Gave search a try? Is this a new idea?

I don't drive my GT in crappy weather if I don't have to. But lately the weather has been very dry up here, and I have been getting her out for some runs. Thing is, I never really use my wipers. Until recently, I probably popped them on a couple of times. It is like driving a Jeep. The wipers are 18", but the swept area is attrocious. Nothing like a newer car.

I took a look at our Audi, and noticed that the wipers were staggered? I did a little measuring on the Fiero, and figured that can be done here. So, after buying new wipers like 7 years ago, I went and grabbed a 19" for the passenger side, and a 22" for the driver side. The 19" is direct replacement. The 22" needs the plastic fastener off of the wiper before it. Just interchange the plastic fasteners, and installed the 22" wiper on the driver side.

What a difference in swept area. Like night and day. I needed to tweak the passenger side a bit, but only to stop it from hitting the hood. It did not need much. Even after a highway test, the wipers are just an interesting upgrade.





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Bump for the weekday crew.

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Sweet! I haven't really noticed a lack of area with my wipers on my Fiero, but that looks like a much larger area. This is kind of a dumb question, but is the wiper motor doing OK with the extra resistance of larger wiper blades?
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Great job with posting your idea Tony.

Actually, I did this several years ago to a couple of my Fieros but, didn't think to tell anyone. Just goes to show who's using their head. Kudos to you.
Now, I'm searching for another wiper arm that will fit on our Fieros. I hate the old style pin arms and would like to move on to the newer U shaped designed. Much easier to change and a lot better wiper designs are available.

Again, nice post.

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lol speeking of jeeps you should have seen me at pepboys with my buddy.... 13in blades are a joke.. they dont even have rainx laditudes for my jeep
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is that your car? Did you get it painted? It looks very red.
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lol speeking of jeeps you should have seen me at pepboys with my buddy.... 13in blades are a joke.. they dont even have rainx laditudes for my jeep


lol i feel your pain pk have similar problems with mine. I will try that on the fiero, i don't drive mine in foul weather but rain happens. I wonder if there are any arms that use the hook type but will line up with the splines on the fiero's wiper studs.

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Damn, Tony... you're like the Smartest Fiero guy I know. Why didn't I think of this?!
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This has never been posted?!? I have been doing this for years on all my cars and I could have contributed but didn't?!? At one point I even figured out how much extra area was cleared by the bigger wipers and it was impressive. IIRC it was over 100 sq inches. My only fear was extra load on the motor but pressed on anyway since I don't drive in the snow.

This brings up the question of why do automakers install the largest windshield that works with the design and then install wipers that will only clear ~50% of it?
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This brings up the question of why do automakers install the largest windshield that works with the design and then install wipers that will only clear ~50% of it?


I wondered that myself... My only guess is they have 18 million wiper blades sitting in there parts bin
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I wondered that myself... My only guess is they have 18 million wiper blades sitting in there parts bin


I would buy that except wipers have always been undersized.

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Forgot about this thread.

My F150 has been down for a week or so. I have been driving my Fiero in the weather, and I am so very happy that I did this. What a difference in swept area.

I have straightened out the drivers side wiper since the pic.

I see no issue with extra strain on the wiper motor. My old wipers chattered (I never, ever used them. ), and the new ones are super smooth. I even wipe snow off of the windsheild yesterday.

Thanks for the compliments. Those that drive their Fieros in weather should definately do this. Literally night and day with the addition of a few inches. (At least that what Amy says. )

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I even wipe snow off of the windsheild yesterday.



Snow? I was sitting in beautiful 63 degree, sunny weather here in this California winter. If you get tired of the snow, feel free to take the plunge into Cali

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Supposed to be 51 degrees tomorrow. I wil be doing the heater core on my pick em up truck in my T shirt.

Did I ever mention that I hate you?

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This thread inspired me to try a bigger windshield wiper on my Fiero. As it turns out, a 24" wiper blade just barely fits on the driver side. The difference in "swept area" is huge!
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Blacktree if you are using 24" on drivers side are you using 19" on passenger side? How about a picture???
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My Fiero doesn't have a passenger side wiper arm, so I'm not sure if there are any clearance issues. But I do know that the 24" wiper blade covers almost the entire driver's side of the windshield, plus some of the passenger side. I actually don't need a passenger side wiper arm now, which was the goal from the start.
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Hmm? I would like to see a pic also. Interesting.

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Interesting idea...something I would never consider on my own, I must admit. Our '03 Grand Am has staggered wipers which is a pain except if you just buy one set of each side the wipers only seem to last 6 months anyway and it's hard to find refills so usually end up replacing the whole blade.

I was actually considering switching to the beam type blades that most of the newer cars use. They seem to be very smooth and less prone to streaking even thought they are expensive and dont last very long in my experience. I am pretty picky about squeeky, chatering wipers. Looking forward to more pics of non-stock wipers.
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I've been refilling Bosch Icon wiper blades for years now, even though you "cant".. (ie: they don't want you to) I have yet to actually drive a Fiero in the past 4 or 5 years now, but I've had them on the Scion tC since new. If I ever get the Fiero back on the road I plan to do the same, with the largest blades I can get on there. I buy PIAA Super Silicone wiper refills (fairly cheap online, and work well), just remove the worn rubber from the Icon's and slide the PIAA's in. Helps to lube them up with a little dish soap as they're a tight fit (make sure to get the skinny refills!), and I think you need to nick the rubber in one place, it's fairly obvious when installing them. I like the flat Bosch design but can't see spending that much money on new blades every year when it's just the rubber that wears out.

Edit.. I think the Icon's only come in the "hook" type mounting style (could be wrong), so you'd need to do the wiper arm upgrade that's posted in another thread here somewhere. Another "to do" on the list...

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nice,, sadly I'll have to wait on this as I just put new ones on...
want a good laugh, my 71c-10 wipers..lol
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Hey I've waited a year to try this out, great idea! Thanks it makes a huge difference!
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I have 21 & 19 works good.
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I also put the longer one on drivers side. Works a lot better.
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I also do this on all my vehicles, if I can.
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What 22" wipers are you finding with a 3/16 pin mount? I can only find 1/4".
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What 22" wipers are you finding with a 3/16 pin mount? I can only find 1/4".



You could always just switch to the modern Hook-Style arms for more and better options.

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You could always just switch to the modern Hook-Style arms for more and better options.




Yes, RWDPLZ did a really great writeup about different arm styles.

 
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What 22" wipers are you finding with a 3/16 pin mount? I can only find 1/4".


I switched over the pin to place the 22" wiper on, if that is what you are asking?
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Yes, thanks!
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Bump for a friend...
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Thought this was one of those 'free' Fiero upgrades everyone knew about already?
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I was about to get my flaming on until you said Windshield wipers.
If I was still out in the midwest I would consider doing this to mine. But california RARELY gets rain.
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Sorry Wrong thread!

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I did this yesterday. I used the cheepie Duralast from AutoZone. Drove threw a one hour storm this morning. What a difference.

The Duralast cheepie's had the 3/16 and the 1/4 inch holes. I just had to flip the little retainer 180*. I can add a photo tomorrow of the packages.
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I know it's an old thread but has anyone tried dual 19s to see how they work.

The general rule (not sure where it came from) is that automakers used to leave a 1 inch tolerance with wipers so anything with an 18 can safely use a 17 or 19 without issues. That doesn't always seem true though as I'm pretty sure the Grand Am drivers side wiper is as large as it can be without hitting the outside of the windshield. I know when I worked at a shop we would often upsize blades one inch and I think there was a formula for staggering them but I can't remember it for sure.

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Good to see what size works

In Arizona, you use your wipers about 5 days out of the year...
... then you replace them the following year because of dry rot from the sun, because they've been sitting and break the first time you use 'em.
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