Mr. Hellyer has been watching a lot of Star Trek I suppose.
In other news------------Sophie is not hard on the eyes at all is she?

quote Originally posted by maryjane: In other news------------Sophie is not hard on the eyes at all is she?

Nope, I sure would like to close-encounter her third kind!

"How would I know if an alien abducts me?"

Oh Sophie,How would you know?

Sophie seems to wish she was doing something else.

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So do I--with her.
ain't happening...

quote Originally posted by maryjane: Mr. Hellyer has been watching a lot of Star Trek I suppose. In other news------------Sophie is not hard on the eyes at all is she?

Wow, not too far off

...
"Hellyer, 90, told Russia Today last week that he believes there are 80 different species of extraterrestrials, some of whom “look just like us and they could walk down the street and you wouldn’t know if you walked past one.

“I would say that nearly all are benign and benevolent and they do want to help us, there may be one or two species which do not.”

Hellyer described a cosmos similar to that of Star Trek and says that there is a “federation” of aliens that has a rule to not interfere in our affairs — the same as Trek’s “prime directive.”
http://news.nationalpost.co...rths-wars-pollution/

President John Quincy Adams said that he would "approve" (make funding available?) for an expedition to the North Pole to find an opening that would allow explorers to enter a vast, subterranean space within the earth. It was called the Hollow Earth hypothesis. Some thought there was an advanced subterranean civilization. (Don't know if President Adams went that far.) But before it happened, Adams left office and President Andrew Jackson dropped this item from the presidential agenda.

You can find reports that all kinds of occult theories gained currency in Germany during the rise of Nazism: The search for Atlantis, a mysterious energy or force known as "Vril"--harnessed by a subterranean civilization, the Holy Grail, the Spear of Destiny, World Ice Theory.. and probably a baker's dozen or more of far-flung theories. Heinrich Himmler had a special regard for Hinduism, believed that the church bells of Oxford protected that English town from the power of the German Air Force (in some way known only to Himmler) and had a castle modified with a below ground chamber that would facilitate communication between the living and the decapitated heads of heroic but departed members of the SS.

Is any or all of that rooted in actual history? Dunno. But it's all reported on the Internet ("Bonjour"), and on periodic TV segments that I always enjoy viewing.

quote Originally posted by rinselberg: President John Quincy Adams said that he would "approve" (make funding available?) for an expedition to the North Pole to find an opening that would allow explorers to enter a vast, subterranean space within the earth. It was called the Hollow Earth hypothesis. Some thought there was an advanced subterranean civilization.

Civilization? No, no, no. That's were all the Confederate gold is hidden.

Hollow Earth still has followers today.

isn't that where hitler keeps his UFO fleet? or is that where our reptilian overlords live? or both?

Judge Crater--Hoffa--the Fort Knox gold--C.H.UD.-all subterranean dwellers.
But...........

quote In 2005, Steven Currey Expeditions planned an expedition to the North Pole region to explore for a possible opening into the inner Earth. Brooks A. Agnew took over as leader on Currey's death in 2006, with the plan of taking 100 scientists and film makers to the supposed Arctic "opening" in 2009. An early twentieth-century proponent of hollow Earth, William Reed, wrote Phantom of the Poles in 1906. He supported the idea of a hollow Earth, but without interior shells or inner sun........Admiral Richard E. Byrd of the United States Navy flew to the North Pole in 1926 and over the South Pole in 1929. he referred to Antarctica as "The Land of Everlasting Mystery". In reference to the North Pole he wrote: "I'd like to see that land beyond the North Pole, it is the Center of the Great Unknown." In his diary, Byrd allegedly tells of entering the hollow interior of the earth, along with others and traveling 17 miles over mountains, lakes, rivers, green vegetation, and animal life. He tells of seeing tremendous animals resembling the mammoths of antiquity moving through the brush. He eventually found cities and a thriving civilization. The external temperature was 74 degrees F. His airplane was greeted by flying machines of a type he had never seen before. They escorted him to a safe landing area where he was graciously greeted by emissaries from Agartha. After resting, he and his crew, were taken to meet the king and queen of Agartha. They told him that he had been allowed to enter Agartha because of his high moral and ethical character. They went on to say that they worried about the safety of planet due to he bombs and other testing done above the surface by governments. After the visit Byrd and his crew were guided back to the surface of the planet. Byrd stated that the North and South Poles are only two of many openings into the center of the Earth. He also wrote about seeing a sun below the Earth.

http://www.crystalinks.com/hollowearth.html

http://www.bibliotecapleyad...rahueca/Chapter1.htm

http://www.voyagehollowearth.com/

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Ha, Dan, you grabbed that right as I made it somehow.

Brad

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Considering how poorly the govt does everything else, I would tend to take Hawking's words with a big chunk of salt.
When you really suck at all endeavors, it doesn't take much to do 1 thing better than all the rest.

Simple answer is its totally arrogant to assume there are not technological aliens somewhere in the billions of other planets out there. Thing is you have to think outside the box that they are like anything we can conjure up. We are carbon based, they could be anything else. Star Trek did consider that with Tribbles and Hortas. The only questions there really are is if they have or will ever be here. I believe they have come her for a long long time, just like we go to the moon. Just think of how advanced they could be if they are millions of years ahead of us. Look what weve done in 100 years...from riding horses to flying to Mars.

quote Originally posted by maryjane: Considering how poorly the govt does everything else, I would tend to take Hawking's words with a big chunk of salt. When you really suck at all endeavors, it doesn't take much to do 1 thing better than all the rest.

thats just it though....I agree with that, however there HAVE BEEN MANY very distinguished and credible HIGH ranking officials come out and blow the whistle an report on Alien content. They have long respectable resumes and are no BS types of people.

People may want to brush them off and not listen, but the facts are that there have been many leaks and those who have spoke out, so Hawkings is full of crap when he says they have done a "good job"...there mountains of radar data, lies, hypocrisy, double talk, and officials who have stated ET's are a reality....people can choose to ignore this or pull their head from their ass.

If im not mistaken, I think their is a forum member here who was a fighter pilot and stated they were scrambled to intercept one once.......

He looked like a kook. Not saying he is not actually telling the truth but the kook method of discrediting whistleblowers is effective.

I see no reason that an advanced race would want anything to do with us. Not until we embrace science over superstition.

I'm just waiting for the MiB to show up at my neighbors house now... It would all make sense then.

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Possible - yes. Probable - no.

It's not impossible that someone has made the trip here but there is still no verifiable evidence they have. 65% of people are wrong, 30% are lying and 5% fall into one of those two categories.

Show me the proof and I will change my mind. I am not saying we shouldn't keep looking but we can't take speculation and anomaly hunting as proof. That is what leads us down some very bad paths.

Don't government officials in Canada like to smoke crack and get into drunken stupors?

quote Originally posted by rogergarrison: Simple answer is its totally arrogant to assume there are not technological aliens somewhere in the billions of other planets out there. Thing is you have to think outside the box that they are like anything we can conjure up. We are carbon based, they could be anything else. Star Trek did consider that with Tribbles and Hortas. The only questions there really are is if they have or will ever be here. I believe they have come her for a long long time, just like we go to the moon. Just think of how advanced they could be if they are millions of years ahead of us.

Even supernatural.

quote Originally posted by Red88FF: I see no reason that an advanced race would want anything to do with us.

They would come here for the same reasons we dive to the ocean bottom and go 1000 miles into a back jungle. Same reason we dig up anthills or climb mountains where there is nothing but rocks and snow. So they have plenty of reason to come here. With the way this planet fights over everything imaginable, why would they want to make their presence known...its of no benefit to them ? Just like in Day the Earth Stood Still, we would probably shoot at them if they did land at the White House.

quote Originally posted by Red88FF: I see no reason that an advanced race would want anything to do with us. Not until we embrace science over superstition.

Which reminds me, my horoscope this morning . . .

quote Originally posted by rogergarrison: They would come here for the same reasons we dive to the ocean bottom and go 1000 miles into a back jungle. Same reason we dig up anthills or climb mountains where there is nothing but rocks and snow. So they have plenty of reason to come here. With the way this planet fights over everything imaginable, why would they want to make their presence known...its of no benefit to them ? Just like in Day the Earth Stood Still, we would probably shoot at them if they did land at the White House.

I didn't say they wouldn't come here, I said they wouldn't want anything to do with us.

I like the Alien movies where they come here and kill us, more believable than making contact fantasies.

quote Originally posted by rogergarrison: Simple answer is its totally arrogant to assume there are not technological aliens somewhere in the billions of other planets out there. Thing is you have to think outside the box that they are like anything we can conjure up. We are carbon based, they could be anything else. Star Trek did consider that with Tribbles and Hortas. The only questions there really are is if they have or will ever be here. I believe they have come her for a long long time, just like we go to the moon. Just think of how advanced they could be if they are millions of years ahead of us. Look what weve done in 100 years...from riding horses to flying to Mars.

Well shoot... I am arrogant.

quote Originally posted by NickD3.4:

quote Originally posted by Red88FF: He looked like a kook.

To me he looked like an older bald man (he's 90) wearing a suit, shirt and yellow tie. Does that make him look "like a kook" to you?

It's not like Paul Hellyer is some totally unknown guy who's come out of nowhere looking for his five seconds of fame. At one time in his younger days he held a very important cabinet post in the federal government (Minister of National Defence) and I suspect he's financially very well off.

To be honest, I'm unsure what to make of his comments. I don't know why he would open himself up to worldwide ridicule unless he was truly convinced of what he speaks. It is very strange.

THE SPEED OF LIGHT1 Unless they found a way around that barrier no one has ever come here. At 58,000 miles an hour it takes 8 months to get to the nearest uninhabitable planet. Much as I admire Elon Musk, I can't understand his obsession with going to mars. I'm all for robotic explorrers, but it is millions of times easier to not destroy this planet than to migrate to anywhere else in the universe.

quote Originally posted by dratts: ....but it is millions of times easier to not destroy this planet than to migrate to anywhere else in the universe.

It wasn't all that easy to sail to the Americas a few years ago either.

quote Originally posted by Patrick: It wasn't all that easy to sail to the Americas a few years ago either.

This. Plus to an alien 58,000 years may seem like a couple days.

Unlikely we have been visited, but not impossible that it would ever happen.

Edit because autocorrect on my smart phone is trying to make all my posts sound like they were written by a 2nd grader. *sigh*

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quote Originally posted by dratts: THE SPEED OF LIGHT1 Unless they found a way around that barrier no one has ever come here. At 58,000 miles an hour it takes 8 months to get to the nearest uninhabitable planet. Much as I admire Elon Musk, I can't understand his obsession with going to mars. I'm all for robotic explorrers, but it is millions of times easier to not destroy this planet than to migrate to anywhere else in the universe.

We are not far away now from discovering that the secret to long-distance space travel is in quantum entanglement.
It's been known for quite some time on the better neighborhood side of the universe.

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quote Originally posted by rogergarrison: Just think of how advanced they could be if they are millions of years ahead of us.

If you consider the Drake Equation, there are a couple of key issues. Basically, how long will an advanced species survive (before killing themselves off, or dying from natural causes) and what is the chance that they exist in the same timeframe as us. e.g. They could survive for several million years, but they all died out hundreds of millions of years ago...Earth itself has really only been "interesting" for a very very short period of time...perhaps way too short for us to have been noticed, let alone investigated. The concept of "faster than light" travel is obviously a whole other topic of fascination. I'm of the school of thought that we are far more likely to see robotic space probes exploring the galaxy before we see alien visitors. I do try to keep an open mind.

I'm sure most people here know the Drake Equation, but if not, here it is...(it basically looks to calculate the number of intelligent species that could be around in our galaxy alone that we could potentially communicate with)

N = R_* f_p n_e f_l f_i f_c L

where:

N = the number of civilizations in our galaxy with which radio-communication might be possible (i.e. which are on our current past light cone);
R_* = the average rate of star formation in our galaxy
f_p = the fraction of those stars that have planets
n_e = the average number of planets that can potentially support life per star that has planets
f_l = the fraction of planets that could support life that actually develop life at some point
f_i = the fraction of planets with life that actually go on to develop intelligent life (civilizations)
f_c = the fraction of civilizations that develop a technology that releases detectable signs of their existence into space
L = the length of time for which such civilizations release detectable signals into space

It's fun to try guess some of the numbers and see how populated you think the galaxy could be.

There have been many modifications to the equation over the years, but it's still an interesting initial step to think about the concept of alien contact.

quote Originally posted by Neils88: If you consider the Drake Equation, there are a couple of key issues. Basically, how long will an advanced species survive (before killing themselves off, or dying from natural causes) and what is the chance that they exist in the same timeframe as us. e.g. They could survive for several million years, but they all died out hundreds of millions of years ago...Earth itself has really only been "interesting" for a very very short period of time...perhaps way too short for us to have been noticed, let alone investigated. The concept of "faster than light" travel is obviously a whole other topic of fascination. I'm of the school of thought that we are far more likely to see robotic space probes exploring the galaxy before we see alien visitors. I do try to keep an open mind. I'm sure most people here know the Drake Equation, but if not, here it is...(it basically looks to calculate the number of intelligent species that could be around in our galaxy alone that we could potentially communicate with) N = R* fp ne fl fi fc L where: N = the number of civilizations in our galaxy with which radio-communication might be possible (i.e. which are on our current past light cone); R* = the average rate of star formation in our galaxy fp = the fraction of those stars that have planets ne = the average number of planets that can potentially support life per star that has planets fl = the fraction of planets that could support life that actually develop life at some point fi = the fraction of planets with life that actually go on to develop intelligent life (civilizations) fc = the fraction of civilizations that develop a technology that releases detectable signs of their existence into space L = the length of time for which such civilizations release detectable signals into space It's fun to try guess some of the numbers and see how populated you think the galaxy could be. There have been many modifications to the equation over the years, but it's still an interesting initial step to think about the concept of alien contact.

Interesting...

FTL isn't enough. We need ALFFTL travel (A Lot ****ing Faster Than Light). To get it down to anything reasonable we need 100X or more and we have no reason to believe that going that fast is possible let alone 1X.

Regardless of the neighborhood.

quote Originally posted by TK: FTL isn't enough. We need ALFFTL travel (A Lot ****ing Faster Than Light). To get it down to anything reasonable we need 100X or more and we have no reason to believe that going that fast is possible let alone 1X. Regardless of the neighborhood.

Quantum Entanglement will allow us to be in 2 places at once, of sorts.
Third-stage Guild Navigator, baby!
The spice must flow.

quote Originally posted by TK: FTL isn't enough. We need ALFFTL travel (A Lot ****ing Faster Than Light). To get it down to anything reasonable we need 100X or more and we have no reason to believe that going that fast is possible let alone 1X. Regardless of the neighborhood.

Gee-zus! Does somebody have to write it down for ya'? Get a clue, man...

Spooky Physics Phenomenon May Link Universe's Wormholes
http://www.livescience.com/...links-wormholes.html

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quote Originally posted by TK: FTL isn't enough. We need ALFFTL travel (A Lot ****ing Faster Than Light). To get it down to anything reasonable we need 100X or more and we have no reason to believe that going that fast is possible let alone 1X. Regardless of the neighborhood.

Based on our current understanding of physics, "faster than light" travel would more likely involve a method of propulsion that would "fold" space. You technically wouldn't be travelling faster than light, yet you would reach your destination sooner than a beam of light would. Folding space is theoretically plausible, just would take extreme amounts of energy. A possible solution would be to repeatedly "pinch" space instead of completely folding it. Making thousands of tiny jumps would take a fraction of the energy. All theoretical.

quote Originally posted by Neils88: All theoretical....

Just like the female orgasm!

quote Originally posted by Neils88: Based on our current understanding of physics, "faster than light" travel would more likely involve a method of propulsion that would "fold" space. You technically wouldn't be travelling faster than light, yet you would reach your destination sooner than a beam of light would. Folding space is theoretically plausible, just would take extreme amounts of energy. A possible solution would be to repeatedly "pinch" space instead of completely folding it. Making thousands of tiny jumps would take a fraction of the energy. All theoretical.

Ok, a lot of ****ing folding ... first, get a couple of massive suns ...