Great… Because the US does not want to play nice with the oil pipeline (Thanks Obama…) we are now losing out on a mutually profitable deal between 2 good neighbours, forcing Canada to no strike a deal with Malasia. Yep, Canada will now supply crude oil to Malasia. I guess the term “you snooze you lose” applies here..

http://www.thestar.com/news..._plant_pipeline.html

Says natural gas... ??

"Malaysian Prime Minister Mohd Najib sprung the “gargantuan” investment figure during a joint photo-op earlier in the day with Harper, saying Malaysia’s state-owned oil and gas company Petronas has committed itself to building both a liquid natural gas plant in British Columbia and the pipeline to feed it."

"In June, provincial officials in B.C. had spoken of a $19-billion LNG plant and pipeline investment by Petronas, ..."

Also oil sands. They are building a refinery here in Canada and shipping crude to Malaysa and China. this is just the first new article that google popped up. It's all over the news here..

Oh, I was just going by the article.

How are they moving it? I thought they wouldn't build an oil pipeline to the west? Or has that changed?

quote Originally posted by jaskispyder: Oh, I was just going by the article. How are they moving it? I thought they wouldn't build an oil pipeline to the west? Or has that changed?

By the looks of it... Pipeline to the shore and boats from there. Not 100% sure.

quote Originally posted by Purple86GT: By the looks of it... Pipeline to the shore and boats from there. Not 100% sure.

Oh, I thought the people from that area were against a pipeline over the rockies.

quote Originally posted by jaskispyder: Oh, I thought the people 'greenies' from that area were against a pipeline over the rockies.

Fixed that for 'ya.

quote Originally posted by cliffw: Fixed that for 'ya.

So, the people that live there don't have a say in what happens to their land?
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A group of First Nations in British Columbia says it will do “whatever means necessary” to stop exports of crude oil from Alberta’s oilsands through their territories — including the controversial Enbridge Northern Gateway oil pipeline.

The $5.5-billion project, which is currently being assessed by a review panel in Ottawa, now faces yet another public relations setback in its quest to open up a new supply route to Asia.

Some 130 aboriginal groups claimed Thursday the company would be contravening international laws such as the non-binding United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Aboriginal Peoples if it the pipeline goes ahead without their approval.

http://www.thestar.com/busi...an_oil_pipeline.html

quote Originally posted by jaskispyder: So, the people that live there don't have a say in what happens to their land?

Just as sure as I do about NobamaCare.

quote Originally posted by cliffw: Just as sure as I do about NobamaCare.

So, you don't support big government telling people what they can do, and here, we have people who want to control their own land, and yet, you call them "greenies". So... which is it? You should be supporting these people, they are fighting "big government"! LOL

quote Originally posted by jaskispyder: So, you don't support big government telling people what they can do, and here, we have people who want to control their own land, and yet, you call them "greenies". So... which is it? You should be supporting these people, they are fighting "big government"! LOL

Hear that explosion? It was his head.

Edit: To change the first word "here" to "hear". So disappointed in myself

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And so goes the circle jerk. Do you guys use lube, or work it dry?

The gas line and liquification is news to me. I'm not on top of everything. The tar sands oil was never for us. They just want to use our land for a pipeline to a refinery after which it will be shipped overseas. Same thing with fracking. Although we will get some of the gas, the main objective is to ship the gas overseas. It's not for us. It's to generate profits for big companies.

quote Originally posted by jaskispyder: Oh, I thought the people from that area were against a pipeline over the rockies.

Pipeline tru the praries, 1st nation territory, and thier land, ya need thier permission to lay a pipe across thier front lawn....

Gas was $1.84 a gallon when Bush left office. It would be again if we could get rid of these idiots.

quote Originally posted by V8 Vega: Gas was $1.84 a gallon when Bush left office. It would be again if we could get rid of these idiots.

I would love cheaper gas, but in reality, it hasn't been cheap for quite some time and it won't be anymore. The demand will outpace supply no matter what is done.

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quote Originally posted by dratts: The gas line and liquification is news to me. I'm not on top of everything. The tar sands oil was never for us. They just want to use our land for a pipeline to a refinery after which it will be shipped overseas. Same thing with fracking. Although we will get some of the gas, the main objective is to ship the gas overseas. It's not for us. It's to generate profits for big companies.

Yup, if people thing the petroleum industry being in their backyard will get them cheaper gas they are sadly mistaken.

Local jobs and are often the biggest benefit to the people living nearby.

quote Originally posted by jaskispyder: The demand will outpace supply no matter what is done.

You are correct but only because supply is ENTENTIONALY limited… Rigs and refineries are shut down for often trivial reasons to create supply issues…

quote Originally posted by Purple86GT: You are correct but only because supply is ENTENTIONALY limited… Rigs and refineries are shut down for often trivial reasons to create supply issues…

Who would benefit from creating supply issues?

quote Originally posted by jaskispyder: Who would benefit from creating supply issues?

the oil industry as a whole. Supply VS demand means more cost per litre (or gallon). More cost per unit but it still costs you the same to make that unit means more proffit.

quote Originally posted by Purple86GT: the oil industry as a whole. Supply VS demand means more cost per litre (or gallon). More cost per unit but it still costs you the same to make that unit means more proffit.

I've read and reread your post and I still don't understand the point that you are trying to make. Could you possibly rephrase it for me?

quote Originally posted by dratts: I've read and reread your post and I still don't understand the point that you are trying to make. Could you possibly rephrase it for me?

I can try...

The oil industry controls the supply. If the supply is lowered, the demand is still there. If there is less supply than demand, then the price goes up. So therefore, the cost per unit goes up and profits increase without having to spend more on production.

I think we missed the point. Canada is making the move eastward by pipe. The Natural Gas pipeline in Ontario (the big one) is being converted to move oil from Alberta to Nova Scotia.

So our East Coast refineries will handle the work Texas could have had if Obumbles hadn't been such an idiot.

On top of that, CP Rail is arranging for thousands of oil carrier train cars to move the oil to the West Coast, no permits required.

Again work that could have gone to Native people in Alberta and BC has been lost to them.

This time it wasn't Obumbles it was the Native leaders

It astonishes me when leaders can't see the forest for the trees.

My respect for Obumbles is long gone

Arn

quote Originally posted by jaskispyder: Who would benefit from creating supply issues?

In the US it is some going to oil companies but more to the point huge dollars going to the green agenda and the so called green alternative companies. That worked out well didn't it. WE MUST DO SOMETHING NOW there is a crisis!

quote Originally posted by Purple86GT: I can try... The oil industry controls the supply. If the supply is lowered, the demand is still there. If there is less supply than demand, then the price goes up. So therefore, the cost per unit goes up and profits increase without having to spend more on production.

Ok, I got it. And I used to witness that when I was in ca. "Our refinerys are down for maintenance". " We have to switch over to the winter blend" etc. We were right next to the refineries, but gas was cheaper farther away.

quote Originally posted by jaskispyder: I would love cheaper gas, but in reality, it hasn't been cheap for quite some time and it won't be anymore. The demand will outpace supply no matter what is done.

So that chart is saying that $1.79 in 08 is $3.96 today when adjusted for inflation?

quote Originally posted by Arns85GT: I think we missed the point. Canada is making the move eastward by pipe. The Natural Gas pipeline in Ontario (the big one) is being converted to move oil from Alberta to Nova Scotia. So our East Coast refineries will handle the work Texas could have had if Obumbles hadn't been such an idiot. Arn

If that is the case why would it be a bad thing in your view???

quote Originally posted by Arns85GT: On top of that, CP Rail is arranging for thousands of oil carrier train cars to move the oil to the West Coast, no permits required. Arn

Maybe they should talk to the people of Lac-Mégantic about such great ideas!!

quote Originally posted by Arns85GT: Again work that could have gone to Native people in Alberta and BC has been lost to them. This time it wasn't Obumbles it was the Native leaders It astonishes me when leaders can't see the forest for the trees. Arn

Funny you should use the term "Forest for the trees" maybe that's exactly what the Native leaders were concerned with?

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quote Originally posted by jaskispyder: Oh, I thought the people from that area were against a pipeline over the rockies.

Yeah. It's all going to be shipped overland by railcar through the valleys in the Rockies.

It's probably a good time to buy shares in a company that builds rail tankers (like Warren Buffet).
http://www.bloomberg.com/ne...-from-shale-oil.html


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quote Originally posted by jaskispyder: So, you don't support big government telling people what they can do, and here, we have people who want to control their own land, and yet, you call them "greenies". So... which is it? You should be supporting these people, they are fighting "big government"! LOL

How is a pipeline keeping them from doing what they want. There are millions of miles of pipeline. Have you ever heard of a pipeline catastrophe Railway accidents are common by comparison. It's not like the government is taking their land like eminent domain. Their own land ? Rights of way are purchased.

Welcome to the third world. We used to export lumber, now we export logs.
Canada can export crude oil but not refined product..
Value not added here anymore, we are selling commodities.

quote Originally posted by cliffw: How is a pipeline keeping them from doing what they want. There are millions of miles of pipeline. Have you ever heard of a pipeline catastrophe Railway accidents are common by comparison. It's not like the government is taking their land like eminent domain. Their own land ? Rights of way are purchased.

Pipeline catastrophe? Yes, here in Michigan, near Kalamazoo. They are still cleaning some of that up. Thanks for asking, but that is not what I am saying. I am saying it is their land, stop trying to turn this into a "greenie" issue.... it is about individual rights, which I thought you believed in. I guess that is only true for the government, but when the government is doing it for big business, individuals no longer have rights. hmmm

quote Originally posted by jaskispyder: So, what area are we talking about again? BC or Texas, Ontario or Nova Scotia? Oil? Natural Gas?

The big picture we are talking about is Canada is being forced to deal with the Asian market instead of our allies and close neighbours the US.

Your Government thinks it’s the center of the universe and since the US is not ready for the pipeline for whatever reasons,(Obama made a speech about it not being an environmentally friendly initiative) it expects Canada to just sit tight and wait for the go ahead. Not the case, we moved on to the next buyer..

The US is a big exporter of Natural Gas right now. We don't need it (not that we would get any NG anyway, as it would only be refined and then sent to the world market).

quote Originally posted by Purple86GT: The big picture we are talking about is Canada is being forced to deal with the Asian market instead of our allies and close neighbours the US. Your Government thinks it’s the center of the universe and since the US is not ready for the pipeline for whatever reasons,(Obama made a speech about it not being an environmentally friendly initiative) it expects Canada to just sit tight and wait for the go ahead. Not the case, we moved on to the next buyer..

quote Originally posted by Purple86GT: The big picture we are talking about is Canada is being forced to deal with the Asian market instead of our allies and close neighbours the US. Your Government thinks it’s the center of the universe and since the US is not ready for the pipeline for whatever reasons,(Obama made a speech about it not being an environmentally friendly initiative) it expects Canada to just sit tight and wait for the go ahead. Not the case, we moved on to the next buyer..

I don't think the U.S. expects Canada to wait at all, they have plenty of other options for energy.

If only we could harness all the hot air generated in OT

Is this truly over? I'm still getting requests to sign petitions etc. against it. Us tree huggers get lots of petition requests.

quote Originally posted by jaskispyder: I am saying it is their land, stop trying to turn this into a "greenie" issue.... it is about individual rights, which I thought you believed in. I guess that is only true for the government, but when the government is doing it for big business, individuals no longer have rights. hmmm

I very much believe in individual rights as a point of contention. I also believe in environmental issues, to a point. As I do with government involvement, to a point. At times, these points intersect and then I have to judge by the issue at hand. This Canadian pipeline as a case in point (pun intended, ).
I do assume this is being blocked by the greenies. I know nothing of the specifics, the proposal, counter proposals, or even if those mentioned are the actual owners of the land the pipeline would cross.
Not being a zealot myself I looked up your Kalamazoo Michigan pipeline failure/accident. Wow, . I don't have the time to fully understand the particulars but a peek into it led me to Pipeline Safety Trust and I had a short look at that. I also Binged pipeline accidents and was surprised.

quote Originally posted by newf: Here that explosion? It was his head.

, NOT ! Nor was it an implosion. I think it was in your head ... and they are angry, .

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quote Originally posted by cliffw: I also Binged pipeline accidents and was surprised.

Have a look at rail accidents - more oil is being shipped by rail as an alternative to pipelines (that we can't get built).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...ts_of_rail_accidents

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