That would depend. You can be involuntary committed if you fail to commit suicide, but that would be determined by a psychologist and it also depends on your method you try to employ to kill yourself as well.
But the "ACT" of trying to kill yourself isn't illegal.
So are you going to retract the statement you made that suicide and attempted suicide is illegal or do we chalk that up as one of your fails?
You quote me acknowledging it's not a criminal act, then ask if I'm going to acknowledge it's not a criminal act? Have you been in to ray b''s stash lately?
This has been a reasonably cordial discussion so far, despite your attempts to turn it into a typical political mud fight.
IP: Logged
05:30 PM
Wichita Member
Posts: 20658 From: Wichita, Kansas Registered: Jun 2002
It is against the law to kill yourself. (rather, to make the attempt, as if you're successful it's difficult to prosecute) Based on existing law, the case can be made a woman having an abortion is the same as someone purposely injuring a woman in such a way as to cause a miscarriage.
Originally posted by texasfiero: I love it when liberals scream about the Koch brothers. It opens the door to exposure of their hypocrisy. The NEVER, NEVER whine about George Soros.
why should I whine about a good guy who helps and is OPEN ABOUT WHAT HE WANTS AND WHY and WHO HE GIVE HIS MONEY TO
by the way your list is spun very very hard right
your astro-turf tea party claims to be grassroots but their are the guys behind the curtain [koch] who claim to want freedom but turns out that freedom is to loot and pollute without regs
who else is funding your side and what do they really want
we hear NO NO NO and rerun voodoo harder markets know best and dereg everything
but resent passed crash and very slow recovery show your rightwing leaders failed why rerun failure why can't the rightwing ever learn from their mistakes or admit their failings
Bad analogy. I can dispose of my property if I like but you cannot come and take the same item without my consent - that's theft. Your reasoning would imply that an unborn child is the sole property of the mother.
For X number of weeks, it is.
IP: Logged
07:22 PM
Toddster Member
Posts: 20871 From: Roswell, Georgia Registered: May 2001
one governor in office 18 months and facing recall now lets see if he is even there in 5 days
Well, uh, considering he has taken a massive deficit and turned it into a surplus in just 15 months, lowered the unemployment rate, raised the standard fo living for all Wisconsinites, I'd say...are you kidding!!!!!????
You don't know what the hell you're talking about. He did NOT lower their pay. All he did was get them to pay more of their own benefits. If you want to call that a pay reduction...yeah, right. NO teachers lost their jobs. Not one. No layoffs. State budget went from a huge deficit to a surplus. All while LOWERING TAXES.
If balancing the state budget from a deficit to a surplus, and not laying any public workers off is a bad idea, then you are certifiably nuts.
Oconomowoc High School students wore shirts to school Friday with the message "We love our teachers" after news that 15 teachers received layoff notices this week.
While the district is not talking about the impending layoffs, news of the firings broke after the teachers were informed earlier this week.
A release from the Wisconsin Department of Public Instruction skewers the absolute fabrications of “success” that Scott Walker has been making in friendly domains like Fox News and CNBC and out-of-state fundraisers where he has been escaping the state he supposed to be governing.
Some of the highlights from the report include:
The state’s annual school staff report shows that school districts cut 2,312 positions for the 2011-12 school year, a 50 percent increase in staff losses from the previous school year. The larger than usual cuts to school staff for the 2011-12 school year support projections from the Department of Workforce Development last fall. The majority of staff cuts, more than 60 percent, were among teachers. \
He didn't balance Wisconsin's budget, and local school districts across the state are laying off teachers and staff due to massive cuts in education funding in Walker's budget.
Some 50 or so high school students in Rhinelander (not traditionally a hot bed of political protest) are not happy with the layoff of four of their teachers, and they made their displeasure known by walking out of class and setting up a picket line on the sidewalk in front of the school yesterday morning.
Their reward? Tickets and fines from the local sheriff, pending disciplinary action from the school administrators, and a ridiculous admonishment from Oneida County Detective Sergeant Phil Newcomb, who told them "Stop protesting....There’s a peaceful way to protest, but this is not the way.”
no layoffs ? balanced ? or more nut-con BS
IP: Logged
08:40 PM
fierobear Member
Posts: 27083 From: Safe in the Carolinas Registered: Aug 2000
Originally posted by ray b: no layoffs ? balanced ? or more nut-con BS
Uh, wait ray. First you said that all the school districts in Wisconsin were LOCAL, so it's not Walker's credit. Now you give a couple examples of local layoffs and it is suddenly Walker's FAULT?
You seriously think you can BLAME Walker for layoffs at the same time you deny credit when the news was there were NO layoffs?
IP: Logged
10:15 PM
Wichita Member
Posts: 20658 From: Wichita, Kansas Registered: Jun 2002
Uh, wait ray. First you said that all the school districts in Wisconsin were LOCAL, so it's not Walker's credit. Now you give a couple examples of local layoffs and it is suddenly Walker's FAULT?
You seriously think you can BLAME Walker for layoffs at the same time you deny credit when the news was there were NO layoffs?
Don't you know? All Republicans are to blame for all societies ills.
Uh, wait ray. First you said that all the school districts in Wisconsin were LOCAL, so it's not Walker's credit. Now you give a couple examples of local layoffs and it is suddenly Walker's FAULT?
You seriously think you can BLAME Walker for layoffs at the same time you deny credit when the news was there were NO layoffs?
you swallow and regurgitate the rightwing propaganda and then get upset when the facts dispute your spin
walker cut state funding to the local districts as a result the local school districts cut teachers sorry for all your BS you fail to understand how things work but yes walker by cutting funding caused the layoffs as DT said FOLLOW THE MONEY
btw to the toad how can standards of living go up when walker cut the state workers pay by 8% and caused others to be layed off figures donot lie but you liers sure can figure , spin, and use smoke and mirrors and never fact check any spin from fox news
truth justice and the american way
IP: Logged
09:53 AM
Formula88 Member
Posts: 53788 From: Raleigh NC Registered: Jan 2001
you swallow and regurgitate the rightwing propaganda and then get upset when the facts dispute your spin
walker cut state funding to the local districts as a result the local school districts cut teachers sorry for all your BS you fail to understand how things work but yes walker by cutting funding caused the layoffs as DT said FOLLOW THE MONEY
Assuming that is true, then how would they be able to keep paying the teachers? The state was in a DEFICIT, which came about under DEMOCRATIC rule and taxation. In other words, your beloved Democratic way of tax and spend WASN'T WORKING, ray, PERIOD. You can't argue against that, it's a FACT. So what should they do? Raise taxes MORE? Oh, of course, you can raise taxes all you want, and it has NO effect whatsoever on business, jobs and people. The money is just floating out there. Riiiight.
Assuming that is true, then how would they be able to keep paying the teachers? The state was in a DEFICIT, which came about under DEMOCRATIC rule and taxation. In other words, your beloved Democratic way of tax and spend WASN'T WORKING, ray, PERIOD. You can't argue against that, it's a FACT. So what should they do? Raise taxes MORE? Oh, of course, you can raise taxes all you want, and it has NO effect whatsoever on business, jobs and people. The money is just floating out there. Riiiight.
blaming the other guys is not the point you said no layoffs or pay cuts facts are walker did do both or you lied yet again to this board
btw tax income to the state went down BECAUSE OF THE BuSh2 recession not anything the other guys did or anything unique to that state but something your side did do [fail to govern ]
IP: Logged
06:45 PM
Formula88 Member
Posts: 53788 From: Raleigh NC Registered: Jan 2001
so I guess you do NOT think the truth is important
I note none of our nut con's here will ever dispute another nut con's lies
but if I post the truth the mean girls club all swing in to attack
You'll guess what you want and flat out state it as fact. I ask for your viewpoint and you immediately complain no one is willing to listen to your viewpoint. Everything you post is based on how someone else is wrong, evil, lying, etc. Even if I agreed with you, you'd find some way to call me a liar.
Don't play the victim and whine about being attacked when that's all you ever do to others.
[This message has been edited by Formula88 (edited 06-04-2012).]
You'll guess what you want and flat out state it as fact. I ask for your viewpoint and you immediately complain no one is willing to listen to your viewpoint. Everything you post is based on how someone else is wrong, evil, lying, etc. Even if I agreed with you, you'd find some way to call me a liar.
Don't play the victim and whine about being attacked when that's all you ever do to others.
yes I label movements like the teabaggers with names
BUT
you fail to see the difference in attacking a lie/lye-or with proof or a failed plan with proof
and a personal attack with out any proof except they got caught BY ME AND THEY DO NOT LIKE IT
and yes I leave my personal philosophy out of these posts but if you can't figure it out I am a radical as far left as many nut-con are far right or a unreformed 67 hippy but most of my posts here are about exposing the nut-con lies
IP: Logged
02:35 PM
Formula88 Member
Posts: 53788 From: Raleigh NC Registered: Jan 2001
Originally posted by ray b: and a personal attack with out any proof except they got caught BY ME AND THEY DO NOT LIKE IT
Being "caught" by you isn't proof of anything. Just like the angry parrot, saying something is a lie doesn't make it so, no matter how loud you shout it. Anyone could cut and paste most of your posts into any thread and nobody would notice the difference.
Have a cracker and relax.
IP: Logged
04:44 PM
fierobear Member
Posts: 27083 From: Safe in the Carolinas Registered: Aug 2000
From an email I recieved from someone in the real world: I reall don't won't commit to post have my own opinion, but this seemed very interesting. (I don't care who you are. This guy is smarter than you.)
quote
I'm not exactly a fan of the Tea Party. When a debate among Republican candidates was marred by Tea Party members in the audience urging the uninsured to die, I called that "sadism." I said on national TV that: "It's the same impulse that led people in the Coliseum to cheer when the lions ate the Christians."
The year before, I said that teabaggers attending a Glenn Beck rally "were wearing sheets over their heads 25 years ago."
At around the same time, when a reporter compared Ron Paul libertarians to Tea Party members, I said: "Many of the libertarians are physicists, and many of the Tea Party people don't bathe. There's really not much in common there."
Nevertheless, there is one thing that I like about the Tea Party:
They get their people nominated. And often elected.
I had a ring-side seat to a Tea Party take-out in 2010, because I served on the same House Committee as Mike Castle, a Republican candidate for the Senate. Castle had been the Governor of Delaware for eight years. Then he served nine terms in the U.S. House of Representatives. In the ninth most-Democratic state in America, Republican Castle won every House race after his first one by at least 17 points.
But the Tea Party deemed Castle disturbingly normal. So they dumped him in favor of Christine O'Donnell, who is not a witch. At least she says that she is not a witch. Here are some other things that Christine O'Donnell said:
"It's not enough to be abstinent with other people. You also have to be abstinent alone." On the same subject: "If he already knows what pleases him and he can please himself, then why am I in the picture?"
"One of my first dates with a witch was on a satanic altar."
"There is just as much, if not more, evidence supporting" creationism as evolution. "You know what? Evolution is a myth."
Having women in the military "cripples the readiness of our defense."
"American scientific companies are cross-breeding humans and animals, and coming up with mice with fully functioning human brains."
Christine O'Donnell didn't pay her taxes. She didn't pay her mortgage. She used campaign contributions to pay her rent. She lied to the Federal Election Commission. She lied about her education.
And yet, for all of that, Christine O'Donnell defeated Mike Castle. Because for Tea Party members, all that mattered was that Christine O'Donnell was a Tea Party member, and Mike Castle was not. Same thing with Robert Bennett and Mike Lee, in Utah. Same thing with Trey Grayson (no relation) and Rand Paul, in Kentucky. Same thing with Richard Lugar and Richard Mourdock, in Indiana. The Tea Party puts its own people in, and puts everyone else out.
I respect that.
Eric Griego, who grew up dirt-poor, and hasn't forgotten what that was like. (I didn't tell you that when Griego was asked to identify the most important issue today, he didn't say jobsjobsjobsjobsjobs like everyone else, but rather the iron control that corporate special interests have over politics and government.)
Lee Rogers, a distinguished doctor, professor and medical researcher. (I didn't tell you what an utter dirtbag Rogers is running against.)
The Tea Party puts worse and worse Republicans in Congress – selfish, bigoted tools.
Ahh yes. Putting the USA before party.[sarcasm[/] What the Teabag party is isn't all about?? (Sorry, I just couldn't stop myself from calling a stinking turd a turd.)
------------------ Drive safely!
[This message has been edited by NEPTUNE (edited 06-04-2012).]
