My friends go out hunting and fishing. But I couldn't stand to kill anything. I understand killing to survive. And if my life was in danger or was starving I would kill with out a doubt. But to kill for a sport just doesn't seem right to me. I don't even like killing bugs. I will take bugs I find in my house and move them outside. Don't get wrong I am not a vegan or anything. I still enjoy eating meat. But I just don't want to be the one to do the killing.

So I have a huge value in life and living creatures. So does that make me a pussy?

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If that makes you a pussy, then I guess I am one, too. I want to learn to hunt, but just for the skill set, not as a hobby.

I also get crap for not giving a sh?t about professional sports. Yeah, I know guys are supposed to love sports and talk about them at every opportunity, but I just don't give a sh?t. When I'm with a bunch of armchair quarterbacks (almost ALL of my Air Force unit, for example) and they start talking sports, my eyes practically glazed over...

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quote Originally posted by DeLorean00: So I have a huge value in life and living creatures. So does that make me a pussy?

No, you are not a pussy.

I don't think you value life as much as you think though. A hunter or fisherman goes out into the wild to get their meal. They see the animal in its natural state. Every hunter and fisherman that I know has a great appreciation for wildlife and the wilderness. Also, just because a hunter or fisherman goes out to hunt or fish, that doesn't mean they will come home with anything. The animals have a real chance to get away and they often do. How many cows or chickens have a chance to get away?

How much appreciation can a person have that only sees their meat and fish in tidy shrink wrapped packages in the supermarket or already cooked and prepared in a meal? People used to have a closer relationship with their meals. I think that is why supermarkets can now get away with selling such bland foods.

quote Originally posted by OKflyboy: If that makes you a pussy, then I guess I am one, too. I want to learn to hunt, but just for the skill set, not as a hobby. I also get crap for not giving a sh?t about professional sports. Yeah, I know guys are supposed to love sports and talk about it at every opportunity, but I just don't give a sh?t. When I'm with a bunch of armchair quarterbacks (almost ALL of my Air Force unit, for example) and they start talking sports, my eyes practically glazed over...

I know exactly what you mean!! I can't stand pro sports. Whats funny is my girlfriend will sit down and watch baseball on TV, and I will be bored out of my mind.

We do farm cows you know? So every delicious cheeseburger is from an animal. Nothing wrong with hunting as long as you use what you kill. There is a bit to know about it though and not all have time, but hunting should be taken seriously, not as a sport. I know too many people that like to hunt with alcohol, and usually wounding and loosing two dear before finally killing a third. Personally, I would find it pretty hard to make a kill shot with a few beers in me. Nothing wrong with not hunting either.

When I was about 11, I shot a sparrow with a bb gun. The bird died in my hands. Although I love to shoot and have a number of guns, as well as enjoy a burger or venison steak as much as anybody, I will never shoot at an animal again. Some of my best friends are hunters and I enjoy their "game dinners", but I just can't pull the trigger myself.

Tom

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My Pappy always told me, "You are what you eat."....

Just think of yourself as a king. You have the plebeians killing your food for you.

quote Originally posted by Boondawg: My Pappy always told me, "You are what you eat."....

Oh gawd... that makes me a fish. I don't like fishy people.

Hmm. Also, no, however, indeed.

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quote Originally posted by Terrible Tom: When I was about 11, I shot a sparrow with a bb gun. The bird died in my hands. Although I love to shoot and have a number of guns, as well as enjoy a burger or venison steak as much as anybody, I will never shoot at an animal again. Some of my best friends are hunters and I enjoy their "game dinners", but I just can't pull the trigger myself. Tom

Tom when I was 18 my friends and I went out shooting one day. We were walking along a dirt road when we came upon a tree with a little bird in it. My friend aimed his 12 gauge at the bird from 5 feet away and shot it. Of course there wasn't much left. It made me sick. My other friends laughed, I said he was a a$$hole . It still bothers me. I love shooting at targets, but nothing living.

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imo, no, you're not. Killed a few animals w/ a BB gun when I was a kid, and the last one (a woodpecker was in a tree, making the knock knock knockin' wound, I couldn't see him, but I heard him, and fired. The knocking stopped, and he fell out of the tree dead - shot him in the head. I ran to check it out, and I just thought "what a godd@mn waste"...

I don't get pleasure from killing animals. I DO enjoy Bluefishing, but I do eat them after I catch 'em.
I also enjoy target shootin' , but nothing living...

OKflyboy - I'm not that into sports, either, and it used to make for some strained conversations, till people realized I'm not that into followin' them. I DO enjoy an occasional game, especially if the food and company is good...

We've grown up with animals as pets/companions. That makes it tougher to kill.

Besides, you have a DeLorean.

You sir, are a pussy..

A pussy wimpy sissy mama's boy.

Your man card has been revoked for being a jackwagon resident of yellow hating mamby pamby land!

As a result of being a wimpy sissy girly pussy boy, you must immediately and without prejudice turn over the contents of your garage to me.

Have a nice day

Nope! You are not a pussy! I am very similar. I own a gun, and I only target shoot. I only have it for the zompocalypse... shooting zombies wont bother me, they are already dead, but shooting living animals... I get angry. Basically if it wasn't illegal, if someone shot an animal for the fun of it, I would shoot them for the fun of it. Eye for an eye ya know. I love for and care for animals, wild and domestic. I eat meat, and I agree to killing to eat and survive (and chicken tastes gooooood, so does cow) but shooting a little bird or squirrel bothers me. Plus taxidermy is kind of creepy >_>; imagine... having a random human stuffed and on display in your house :P. I dunno, but then again, I might be a pussy as well

quote Originally posted by DeLorean00: I can't stand pro sports.

Might as well slap a pair of tits on ya and give you a kitchen aid for christmas....

i dont mind fishing but i usually throw them back... I'm not much of an animal killing kinda dude...

quote Originally posted by 87antuzzi: Might as well slap a pair of tits on ya and give you a kitchen aid for christmas....

LOL

No. There Are a few here, but you aren't one.

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quote Originally posted by DeLorean00: I don't even like killing bugs. I will take bugs I find in my house and move them outside.

Well, that is a little extreme but it's not what makes you a pussy .... i kid, i kid ....

quote Originally posted by cliffw: Does This Make Me a Dick? No, it's not that. Guess again. j/k j/k,

quote Originally posted by 87antuzzi: Might as well slap a pair of tits on ya and give you a kitchen aid for christmas....

KitchenAid make amazing kitchen appliances. I would gladly accept one for Christmas.

As far as the OP, no, I don't consider you a pussy for the lack of wanting to kill a living animal. As far as the pro sports go, I watch the NFL because I see it as a fast paced game of chess. Something about the strategy reset after every play tickles my logic center.

No, D, your not a pussy.. I feel the same way..

quote Originally posted by Doug85GT: No, you are not a pussy. I don't think you value life as much as you think though. A hunter or fisherman goes out into the wild to get their meal. They see the animal in its natural state. Every hunter and fisherman that I know has a great appreciation for wildlife and the wilderness.

Where do you live? lol.. Little house on the Prairie? lol.. Maby back in the day Pa Ingles hunted and fished for food, but this is 2012 in America.. lol.. Come down to Alabama sometime.. The "good ole boys" down here DO NOT hunt for food.. Its either for a trophy, or if its not big enough for that, its left out in the woods to rot.. Im sure some hunters hunt for food still these days. Venesin comes to mind.. But how many people actually "need" to hunt in order too survive in our country.. Probably not that many.

All that REALLY matters in this world is, Does SHE think you're a pussy?



Her opinion is the only one you should ever be concerned about. Friends, bosses, strangers, etc...? Bah. As long as your woman thinks your're 'fly', you're golden.

"rubyredretard?" LOL

quote Originally posted by DeLorean00: So does that make me a pussy?

NO. But if someone came up to you and slapped you on the face and you did nothing, that would.....

Kevin

quote Originally posted by Jonesy: I'm sure some hunters hunt for food still these days. Venesin comes to mind.. But how many people actually "need" to hunt in order too survive in our country.. Probably not that many.

Jonesy, many may not need to but, it is a sport for some to hunt and also supplement their food stock. Have you ever seen venison it the supermarket ? I have wondered why that not is. Also, hunting is an important form of game management, which is also needed.
Heh, hunting. It is big business in my area. I laugh though at then trouble and expense that many go through to hunt. We even joke around here asking if the are hunting for two or four legged deer/dear. Myself, I have no interest in it. Nor in fishing (do you fish Delorean?) though I have a lake place and am close to many rivers and the Gulf of Mexico. To me, it is work. The same could be said for boating and camping I guess.

_ That makes me a vagina also!

Tony

Yup. It makes you a giant gaping cavernous vajajay. I keed, I keed.

On the farm I remember a period of time that we lived entirely off of hunting and home grown stuff because the farm wasn't doing well. As such, I have no problem killing an animal for food. And as someone said earlier you REALLY appreciate the meal when you kill, clean, and cook it yourself. Hell, we raised a few deer on that farm we found injured. Probably shot them a few years later though. O.o

I'm not the kill for joy type either, but I loooooooove deer meat. And for the record, I feed captured bugs to our tree frog. Or squish, whichever meets my needs.

I would think not, just because your beliefs don't allow you to randomly kill, don't make you any less of a man... not watching sports? bah? now if you said you like "Soaps"? well... on the other hand, i have killed and eaten a LOT of "Gods" creatures... 99% don't taste as good as chicken or beef, but there is a reason... we raise them to "taste good" and no rattlesnake does not taste"like chicken"...

=todd=

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I just wish you phrased the topic as "does this make me a pussy" I almost thought this was my first tribute thread.
Anyway I don't think it means you're pussy, you're friend who shot a bird point blank maybe a psychopath though.
Not liking baseball doesn't make you a pussy either. It makes you a commie.

quote Originally posted by Jonesy: Where do you live? lol.. Little house on the Prairie? lol.. Maby back in the day Pa Ingles hunted and fished for food, but this is 2012 in America.. lol.. Come down to Alabama sometime.. The "good ole boys" down here DO NOT hunt for food.. Its either for a trophy, or if its not big enough for that, its left out in the woods to rot.. Im sure some hunters hunt for food still these days. Venesin comes to mind.. But how many people actually "need" to hunt in order too survive in our country.. Probably not that many.

It's not 2012 yet. Some people hunt for food because they can. You can get a lot of meat for the price of a bullet vs. the price at your local grocery store. Those "good ole boys" that hunt for a trophy, but kill smaller than they want and then let it rot in the woods....that's just sick. That's killing just for the hell of it. Those are NOT real hunters. Either that, or they don't know how to hunt. If you see an animal in your sights, you SHOULD be able to judge it's size BEFORE you pull the trigger. One BIG rule in hunting, KNOW what your shooting at. This is a good example of the "hunting with alcohol" statement I made earlier.

A GOOD hunter never takes a wasteful shot. They are looking for a clean kill shot and only shooting at something they KNOW they want. Not something that might be big enough.

I've seen it happen. Guy takes a shot at the first thing that moves, then finds out he killed a baby. Then decides, "I'll just leave this one rot and go kill a bigger one".

Just think, if bullets were controlled and not guns, there would be a lot less wastefull killing.

Killing for food is different than killing for sport. I never kill for sport, well I do kill animals that are eating Melanie’s crops when I am told to by the boss. Then I guess you could consider it sport, I don’t.

There is no reason to kill for a trophy in my eyes. Trophy animals are generally older and not as tasty as younger animals that I would kill for venison.

What you do as far as hunting is your personal choice. But if you chose not to that is also your choice. And doesn’t make you any less of a man or a pussy as you said. So in my eyes you ain’t no pussy. Or less of a man.

Steve

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quote Originally posted by Boondawg: My Pappy always told me, "You are what you eat."....

Hey, that was MY line!

It always seems strange to me that there are some people who are all for killing someone who is stealing their car stereo but against killing a rattlesnake.

I only skimmed the thread and your post OP, but from what I saw...

Short answer? Definitely not.

Long answer?

IMHO, hunting for sport is wrong. Hunting for food and survival, definitely OK. The only way I could even BEGIN to advocate sport hunting is if it were legal to hunt human beings for sport as well as our 4 legged animal counterparts.

Man is just another animal. So if we are allowed to hunt other animals, then why can't we hunt other men? If one hunts another man for "sport", its considered murder. Take that even further: Since man is just another animal, then hunting our other non-"human" animal brethren should be considered murder as well, unless in self defense or for food.

Pardon me for bringing religion into this, but these 2 statements are what I base my theory/ideas off of:

From the 9 Satanic Statements:

7. Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all!

And from the 11 Satanic Rules of the Earth:

10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.
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quote Originally posted by Boondawg: It always seems strange to me that there are some people who are all for killing someone who is stealing their car stereo but against killing a rattlesnake.

A rattlesnake won't steal your car stereo.

Needless, senseless type cruelty i am not for.
But I have hunted, and fished, and killed a skunk trying to move in where it should not... for example.
I have also felt pity for the worm dried up on the sidewalk.

quote Originally posted by Xerces_Blackthorne: Man is just another animal. So if we are allowed to hunt other animals, then why can't we hunt other men?

You can. But there is some red tape involved. It usually involves joining the military, a paramilitary group, or a law enforcement agency.

quote Originally posted by Blacktree: A rattlesnake won't steal your car stereo.

You've never been to the Tijuana then, have you

Sorry, bad joke...

quote Originally posted by Blacktree: You can. But there is some red tape involved. It usually involves joining the military, a paramilitary group, or a law enforcement agency.

You missed my point That's not considered hunting.

When I say hunting human beings, I am reminded of a short story I read years back that I recently rediscovered called "The Most Dangerous Game" by Richard Connell. I highly recommend reading it if you haven't already

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quote Originally posted by Boondawg: It always seems strange to me that there are some people who are all for killing someone who is stealing their car stereo but against killing a rattlesnake.

Apples and Oranges, my friend.

The Rattlesnake is acting on defensive instinct, the thief is making a conscious decision.

That said, growing up in the CA Sierra Nevada foothills and interacting with rattlesnakes on a weekly basis, I am for killing them at any opportunity - they are dangerous creatures. Yes they are acting on instinct but often times that instinct puts them in one's direct path.

However, I would not kill a thief unless he posed a direct threat to my life or the life of a loved one.

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quote Originally posted by Boondawg: It always seems strange to me that there are some people who are all for killing someone who is stealing their car stereo but against killing a rattlesnake.

I agree with OKflyboy

My take,
Though I would not want to kill someone who stole a car stereo, seeing them brought to justice would be preferred over escaped. A rattlesnake compared to a human is farther than apples and oranges. Its a matter of will I supopse. A rattlesnake is pure instinct, a wild animal. This fits with the other thread "should an animal be put down for attacking a human", I would say only because now that they are in captivity, and have shown no fear twards a human by attacking, and may now be more prone to attack a human again, sadly they should be put down. But it is our doing not theirs, they are pure instinct. We asked for this by caging them. Still human life takes precedence.

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