I has to comment on Chad Ochocincos Lambeau Leap. What a tool. This guy thinks all football fans love him. Rumor is he paid for 3 seats in the first row and put Bengal fans there. Thats where he jumped. The Packer fans wern't too happy with him though. One old man was pounding him in the back with his fist and another was telling him he's No# 1 with a middle finger salute. I wish the guy would shut up and play football.
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Posts: 7980 From: baltimore, md Registered: May 2008
I has to comment on Chad Ochocincos Lambeau Leap. What a tool. This guy thinks all football fans love him. Rumor is he paid for 3 seats in the first row and put Bengal fans there. Thats where he jumped. The Packer fans wern't too happy with him though. One old man was pounding him in the back with his fist and another was telling him he's No# 1 with a middle finger salute. I wish the guy would shut up and play football.
i didnt like him at first, now i think hes funny to watch...
i didnt like him at first, now i think hes funny to watch...
I also thought he was funny when he first came up in 2002. With all of his whining and crying, it got old fast. I remember when he first came up with the idea of "Ochocinco" for a last name. It was in the 2007 season during Hispanic week in the NFL. He came out in warmups with "Ochocinco" on his jersey. The league told him to change jerseys before the start of the game. The game was ready to start and the Bengals were huddled up on the sidelines. Carson Palmer looked at Chad and ripped the nameplate right off the jersey. From the look on Palmers face, he wasn't too happy with the distraction. Like I said, I wish he would shut up and play.
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Thanks Jeff. The Bengals defense was AWESOME. In reality they only gave up 10 points, 3 in the second half. Carson's INT's provided the rest. Green Bay never got in synch the whole day. Our new rookie linbacker, Rey Malaluga, caused a fumble in the 4th quarter and that was it. Winning @ Lambeau Field is very difficult, like winning in Baltimore.
As for your Ravens, I thought Ray Ray killed Sproles on that 4th & 2. I guess he is not too old after all. Good win for your birds and 1st place in the AFC North with the Stoolers loss.
That's impressive, Green Bay has a good offense. I hope Carson gets on track because with McNabb out he is my starting QB in my fantasy league! And I tell you what I think they have a real chance to beat the Steelers...as long as they can keep Carson up right.
That play was just unbelievable. Ray started charging the line before the ball was even snapped, and blew the play up in the backfield to end the game. You couldn't have thought up a better ending if you tried!
That's impressive, Green Bay has a good offense. I hope Carson gets on track because with McNabb out he is my starting QB in my fantasy league! And I tell you what I think they have a real chance to beat the Steelers...as long as they can keep Carson up right.
That play was just unbelievable. Ray started charging the line before the ball was even snapped, and blew the play up in the backfield to end the game. You couldn't have thought up a better ending if you tried!
I think the reason for the Bengals offensive success against Green Bay, they see that defense twice a year playing Pittsburgh. Dom Capers, the Packers DC, started that 3-4 scheme in Pittsburgh. Alot of disquising coverages and zone blitzing. Does this mean a Bengals victory Sunday? Who knows, but the way they bounced back after the Denver game, I do have some hope. There should be a least 10,000 Stooler fans here Sunday. I would love to send them home with a loss. The Bengals havent beat them at home since 2002. I think they are due.
I think the reason for the Bengals offensive success against Green Bay, they see that defense twice a year playing Pittsburgh. Dom Capers, the Packers DC, started that 3-4 scheme in Pittsburgh. Alot of disquising coverages and zone blitzing. Does this mean a Bengals victory Sunday? Who knows, but the way they bounced back after the Denver game, I do have some hope. There should be a least 10,000 Stooler fans here Sunday. I would love to send them home with a loss. The Bengals havent beat them at home since 2002. I think they are due.
The Steelers are not that good this year. If the Bengals can keep them from running the ball, I honestly don't know how they are going to score points. And damn, since 2002? They are definitely due! I'll be rooting for another Steeler loss...
ESPN has the Ravens #1 in the power rankings. That concerns me.
The Steelers are not that good this year. If the Bengals can keep them from running the ball, I honestly don't know how they are going to score points. And damn, since 2002? They are definitely due! I'll be rooting for another Steeler loss...
ESPN has the Ravens #1 in the power rankings. That concerns me.
Actually, I looked it up, the last home win against the Steelers was in 2001 and they almost lost that one. Neil Rackers missed an extra point to keep the game tied and the Bengals won in OT. Takeo Spikes was ready to kill Rackers.lol
The Bengals kept the Broncos and the Packers under 100 yards rushing so there is a chance. The Steelers O-line isn't very good. If Big Ben wasn't so mobile, they would have given up more than 6 sacks this year.
Power rankings don't mean a whole lot. Don't get me wrong, the Ravens should be in the top 5 and the Bengals are way better than 24th. I think the rankings mean more around mid-season.
I will be pulling for the Browns this week. I would love to see a tie atop the division and with the Bengals going to Cleveland next week, an 0-3 Browns team could be dangerous.
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Actually, a lot of the teams aren't as bad as the press is making them sound (well, except for maybe the Rams) and others just aren't playing to their potential. The Ravens however are and will be a force if they stay healthy. They are going to run over Cleveland.
Tennessee is beat up from the Steelers game (who would have thought they'd open 0-2??) but will start playing a lot better if they heal up.
The Steelers are banged up defensively and are still finding themselves offensively. The Chicago loss didn't surprise me because Chicago is underrated because Cutler is still just learning the Bears offense and will only get better as the season goes on. Roethlisberger always plays like crap in the rain (doesn't throw a wet ball well) and the running game is a mess.....Parker is showing his past injuries are catching up to him and Mendenhall either needs to be declared a bust or he still needs development, reguardless of his draft position....quit wasting carries on him right now and give them to Moore who more than adequately filled Parker's shoes when he was injured....and maybe bring Isaac Redman off the practice squad to give them a power back like Jerome Bettis was. Or heck, try Logan running the ball (their fast return man) since he's listed as a running back on the depth chart and basically bumped Redman onto the practice squad since they said Redman was only a short yardage/goal line bust-through-the-line specialist.
I see another close game this Sunday with the Steelers/Bengals game. This is coming form a Steelers fan who grew up 3 miles from the stadium too. If the injured defense (mainly no one stepping up to replace Palamalu and Carter is playing hurt) plays soft against Palmer he'll pick them apart. And the offense needs defining NOW by the coaches, if the running game isn't working, either try to fix it with the personnel or switch it up running the no-huddle pass game they spent so much time working on in the off season (which they used against Tennessee and literally wore their defense out with it.) That might keep the opposing defense more honest too and open up the run game. I don't know if they were conservative because of the weather or what last week in Chicago but sticking with run-run-pass every series was fooling nobody. I'm still amazed the Steelers won the Superbowl with the uncreative Bruce Ariens as their OC. You can see Ben shaking his head sometimes as the play comes in from the sideline.
Pittsburgh does have a 52-27 series lead against the Bengals though.
And at least the over-hyped Patriots have fallen back to Earth. Now can somebody find my second favorite team (the Buccaneers) a defense?
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Actually, a lot of the teams aren't as bad as the press is making them sound (well, except for maybe the Rams) and others just aren't playing to their potential. The Ravens however are and will be a force if they stay healthy. They are going to run over Cleveland.
Tennessee is beat up from the Steelers game (who would have thought they'd open 0-2??) but will start playing a lot better if they heal up.
The Steelers are banged up defensively and are still finding themselves offensively. The Chicago loss didn't surprise me because Chicago is underrated because Cutler is still just learning the Bears offense and will only get better as the season goes on. Roethlisberger always plays like crap in the rain (doesn't throw a wet ball well) and the running game is a mess.....Parker is showing his past injuries are catching up to him and Mendenhall either needs to be declared a bust or he still needs development, reguardless of his draft position....quit wasting carries on him right now and give them to Moore who more than adequately filled Parker's shoes when he was injured....and maybe bring Isaac Redman off the practice squad to give them a power back like Jerome Bettis was. Or heck, try Logan running the ball (their fast return man) since he's listed as a running back on the depth chart and basically bumped Redman onto the practice squad since they said Redman was only a short yardage/goal line bust-through-the-line specialist.
I see another close game this Sunday with the Steelers/Bengals game. This is coming form a Steelers fan who grew up 3 miles from the stadium too. If the injured defense (mainly no one stepping up to replace Palamalu and Carter is playing hurt) plays soft against Palmer he'll pick them apart. And the offense needs defining NOW by the coaches, if the running game isn't working, either try to fix it with the personnel or switch it up running the no-huddle pass game they spent so much time working on in the off season (which they used against Tennessee and literally wore their defense out with it.) That might keep the opposing defense more honest too and open up the run game. I don't know if they were conservative because of the weather or what last week in Chicago but sticking with run-run-pass every series was fooling nobody. I'm still amazed the Steelers won the Superbowl with the uncreative Bruce Ariens as their OC. You can see Ben shaking his head sometimes as the play comes in from the sideline.
Pittsburgh does have a 52-27 series lead against the Bengals though.
And at least the over-hyped Patriots have fallen back to Earth. Now can somebody find my second favorite team (the Buccaneers) a defense?
Good analysis. One thing though, Pittsburgh has a 48-30 series lead against the Bengals. Have to take all the wins they can get. And I have seen most of the home games in that series from 1970 to the present. Been to Three Rivers 5 times also. Always had a good time there, better than the Dawg Ppund which I have sat in 3 times, all dressed up. Fun but don't go to the bathroom by your self.
1000TH POST. Wow, it took over 10 years to do that.
Originally posted by BENGAL4: Actually, I looked it up, the last home win against the Steelers was in 2001 and they almost lost that one. Neil Rackers missed an extra point to keep the game tied and the Bengals won in OT. Takeo Spikes was ready to kill Rackers.lol
The Bengals kept the Broncos and the Packers under 100 yards rushing so there is a chance. The Steelers O-line isn't very good. If Big Ben wasn't so mobile, they would have given up more than 6 sacks this year.
Power rankings don't mean a whole lot. Don't get me wrong, the Ravens should be in the top 5 and the Bengals are way better than 24th. I think the rankings mean more around mid-season.
I will be pulling for the Browns this week. I would love to see a tie atop the division and with the Bengals going to Cleveland next week, an 0-3 Browns team could be dangerous.
I'm not saying that power rankings mean anything, just saying that we've never been #1 in them and I don't like the hype. Luckily other sites have us lower.
If you are pulling for the Browns you're gonna be disappointed!
But kslish - I agree Mendenhall sucks right now, and I think he is a bust. RB's usually don't need time to develop, they are either good or they aren't. Maybe Ray ray took away his heart when he broke his shoulder
I'm not saying that power rankings mean anything, just saying that we've never been #1 in them and I don't like the hype. Luckily other sites have us lower.
If you are pulling for the Browns you're gonna be disappointed!
But kslish - I agree Mendenhall sucks right now, and I think he is a bust. RB's usually don't need time to develop, they are either good or they aren't. Maybe Ray ray took away his heart when he broke his shoulder
I have to pull for the Browns, although I think a snowball has a better chance in hell. Does Cleveland start at QB? Stay with Quinn? I dont think it really matters. The Browns remind me of some really bad Bengal teams in the late 90's.
Originally posted by BENGAL4: I have to pull for the Browns, although I think a snowball has a better chance in hell. Does Cleveland start at QB? Stay with Quinn? I dont think it really matters. The Browns remind me of some really bad Bengal teams in the late 90's.
They are staying with Quinn for now, I guess by default. He looks terrible though, like Boller-esque terrible. At least Anderson has lit the Ravens up a few times, Quinn has no chance. The Clowns figure that they have to see if he has anything because of the 1st round pick they used on him.
I've really been analyzing this Bengal/Steeler game - I think its going to come down to the Bengal offensive line. If they can give Carson some time to let those deep balls loose I think the Bengals could run away with it. Of course turnovers will be key as always, that could throw everything out the window. A few Bengal bounces could lead to a victory though.
Congrats on the win Bill - woo hoo **** the steelers!
Thank you Jeff. The Steelers dominated the 1st half. I thought here we go again. The defense was letting Willie Parker run wild with 70 yards rushing. In the second half they held him to 20 yards and with the Steelers kicking field goals instead of getting TD's, they let the Bengals hang around long enough to knock them out.
A beautiful sight was seeing 10,000 Steeler fans crying in there terrible towels with a 5 hour drive back to Pittsburgh.
Thank you Jeff. The Steelers dominated the 1st half. I thought here we go again. The defense was letting Willie Parker run wild with 70 yards rushing. In the second half they held him to 20 yards and with the Steelers kicking field goals instead of getting TD's, they let the Bengals hang around long enough to knock them out.
A beautiful sight was seeing 10,000 Steeler fans crying in there terrible towels with a 5 hour drive back to Pittsburgh.
Congrats on the Ravens win. Total domination.
Yea I thought the same thing. I was feeling pretty dumb about my prediction at half time. 3rd quarter wasn't great either, but I noticed the Steelers simply could not put them away. Their offense looked inept. The Bengals come back was great, it was almost like watching a classic Steeler win.
Just think - the Bengals are a stupid fluke play from being 3-0!
A true test this weekend for the Ravens, and more than likely I'm going to be at that game. I think I may have landed some free tickets.
Yea I thought the same thing. I was feeling pretty dumb about my prediction at half time. 3rd quarter wasn't great either, but I noticed the Steelers simply could not put them away. Their offense looked inept. The Bengals come back was great, it was almost like watching a classic Steeler win.
Just think - the Bengals are a stupid fluke play from being 3-0!
A true test this weekend for the Ravens, and more than likely I'm going to be at that game. I think I may have landed some free tickets.
The Patriots will be a true test, although I think the Ravens will win. Flacco looks great and they have a good mix of run and pass too.
Beleive it or not, I'm kind of glad the fluke play happened. It has gelled this team together and they are finally a team under Marvin Lewis for the first time. TJ leaving has been a blessing in disquise. He was a cancer in the locker room. Now he is bumping his gums in Seattle and I think they wish they wouldn't have signed him.
Have fun in New England, but watch your back. I heard the fans there are worse than Cleveland & Buffalo when they are losing. Just don't go to the restroom by yourself.
I remember that game.That was the first time I remember ever rooting for the Ravens. Your right, he didn't have possession until he was out of bounds. I know the side judge was shielded from seeing it but they should have reviewed it from the booth.
BTW, the 2nd time I rooted for the Ravens was in last years AFC Championship game.
Ok.....how 'bout the fact that the Steelers offensive coordinator should be fired?
Hats off to the Bengals.....they made adjustments at halftime, while the Steelers didn't assuming they would just continue their running success in the 2nd half. The Bengals played hard and Ariens rolls up into a ball and pulls the covers over his head instead of changing the play calling. Memo to Bruce, this isn't the Steelers of the late '90s and early 2000's, you don't have Jerome Bettis to play ball control run-out-the-clock in the 2nd half. Try to score some points will ya?
There is no reason the Steelers offense with the personnel they have shouldn't be putting up more points. The receiving on the team is BETTER than last years talent wise....the play calling just stinks. Even Bill Cower stated as a commentator that they should open up the run game with the pass, and this is coming from Mr. Ball Control himself.
Everyone looks at last year performance because they won the Superbowl but I feel it was won because of their defense....despite the "offensive" play calling, but how quickly we forget the previous year when they blew a playoff run against Jacksonville with a quarterback sneak called on a 3rd and long. Who does that????
Baltimore's previous head coach....wasn't he an offensive guy? Wonder if he'd still be interested in being an OC.
More weeks of this heartache and I'm going to have to find an underdog to root for....how bout them Vikings and Farve? Wouldn't mind seeing them clobber Green Bay.
Ok.....how 'bout the fact that the Steelers offensive coordinator should be fired?
Hats off to the Bengals.....they made adjustments at halftime, while the Steelers didn't assuming they would just continue their running success in the 2nd half. The Bengals played hard and Ariens rolls up into a ball and pulls the covers over his head instead of changing the play calling. Memo to Bruce, this isn't the Steelers of the late '90s and early 2000's, you don't have Jerome Bettis to play ball control run-out-the-clock in the 2nd half. Try to score some points will ya?
There is no reason the Steelers offense with the personnel they have shouldn't be putting up more points. The receiving on the team is BETTER than last years talent wise....the play calling just stinks. Even Bill Cower stated as a commentator that they should open up the run game with the pass, and this is coming from Mr. Ball Control himself.
Everyone looks at last year performance because they won the Superbowl but I feel it was won because of their defense....despite the "offensive" play calling, but how quickly we forget the previous year when they blew a playoff run against Jacksonville with a quarterback sneak called on a 3rd and long. Who does that????
Baltimore's previous head coach....wasn't he an offensive guy? Wonder if he'd still be interested in being an OC.
More weeks of this heartache and I'm going to have to find an underdog to root for....how bout them Vikings and Farve? Wouldn't mind seeing them clobber Green Bay.
Sweed drops a TD pass, (he was coming right at me). There's 4 points lost, FG instead of TD. On the first drive, Willie Parker can't stay in bounds, should have been a TD. He goes out at the 3 or 4. Bengals holds them, Steelers settle for a FG. There is 4 more points left on the field. The Bengals played hard and in years past would have quit. This team is different, but as I said above. they wetre lucky too.
The Steelers really missed Troy and they are a different defense without him. What suprised me was the lack of a blitz on the last Bengal drive, It was like looking at a prevent defense. No pressure at all,
Farve, I hope he runs it up on the Packers. I got to see him in his prime in 1996, he was awesome. He played here again in 2005. Thats the game a fan ran onto the field and stole the ball right out of Favres hand. The fan then ran to the other endzone and was decleated by security. Check it out on you-tube it's great.
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Something about the Steelers seems "off" this year, I don't know what it is but it's pretty obvious they are a different team. Their defense is good but doesn't have that killer instinct like last year, plus losing Troy hurt them, and Ben seems to be going through the motions out there.
A Steeler fan I know mentioned the 4th and whatever play at the end - he said "You know, Polamalu makes that play to end the game." I couldn't disagree.
It's still early though, they can bounce back. Good match up this weekend vs. the Chargers, should be interesting.
Something about the Steelers seems "off" this year, I don't know what it is but it's pretty obvious they are a different team. Their defense is good but doesn't have that killer instinct like last year, plus losing Troy hurt them, and Ben seems to be going through the motions out there.
A Steeler fan I know mentioned the 4th and whatever play at the end - he said "You know, Polamalu makes that play to end the game." I couldn't disagree.
It's still early though, they can bounce back. Good match up this weekend vs. the Chargers, should be interesting.
I agree with the Steeler fan too. It was 4th and 11, the RB Brian Leonard, did get past James Farrior and dove for the first down but if Polamalu is there, he probably stops him and game over.
Are you going to New England? I am going to Columbus for a boys weekend. A buddy I'm staying with, is a huge Browns fan so he is having a game party at his house. One year I was up there and he got a call early on Sunday morning from a friend with extra tickets for the Bengals - Browns. We ended up in the Dawg Pound. The Browns won the game with a FG in the last minute from rokkie kicker Matt Stover. Thats a name that should have good memories for you Jeff.
I told the Steeler fan oh well, injuries are part of the game. In the game they beat us in Baltimore last year we lost our starting CB to injury. His replacement gave up 150 yards passing and they beat us. In the AFC championship game Suggs played with one arm and we had a ton of other injuries. Oh well, part of the game is what they said to me.
Yes I am leaving today for New England, never been there before. I hope their fans aren't too hostile, but I won't be trying to pick fights or anything. I really think we'll win too, we can run the ball as good as anyone and if Wilfork doesn't play for them they are in trouble. Even if he does play I think we'll be OK though. I think they'll try to blitz us a lot, even though San Diego did that and got burned by Flacco. Should be a great game, I have a feeling it will be high scoring though unless Ed Reed stops free lancing so much. I'm telling you right now you'll see a lot of two deep safeties because the Ravens do not fear their running game at all. I think we're going to give them the underneath and make them work for the yards. I can see Moss taking a short pass and getting killed by a LB now! I don't think they are going to let the deep pass rain down on them all day like they did at San Diego. I'm so excited for this game!
btw - yes "money" Matt Stover brings back a lot of great memories, one of my favorites was the 52 yarder he kicked during McNairs first season to beat the Browns in Cleveland. I was at a bar and these two drunk Cleveland fans were running their mouths the whole game, they stormed off after Matt hit that FG.
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I told the Steeler fan oh well, injuries are part of the game. In the game they beat us in Baltimore last year we lost our starting CB to injury. His replacement gave up 150 yards passing and they beat us. In the AFC championship game Suggs played with one arm and we had a ton of other injuries. Oh well, part of the game is what they said to me.
Yes I am leaving today for New England, never been there before. I hope their fans aren't too hostile, but I won't be trying to pick fights or anything. I really think we'll win too, we can run the ball as good as anyone and if Wilfork doesn't play for them they are in trouble. Even if he does play I think we'll be OK though. I think they'll try to blitz us a lot, even though San Diego did that and got burned by Flacco. Should be a great game, I have a feeling it will be high scoring though unless Ed Reed stops free lancing so much. I'm telling you right now you'll see a lot of two deep safeties because the Ravens do not fear their running game at all. I think we're going to give them the underneath and make them work for the yards. I can see Moss taking a short pass and getting killed by a LB now! I don't think they are going to let the deep pass rain down on them all day like they did at San Diego. I'm so excited for this game!
btw - yes "money" Matt Stover brings back a lot of great memories, one of my favorites was the 52 yarder he kicked during McNairs first season to beat the Browns in Cleveland. I was at a bar and these two drunk Cleveland fans were running their mouths the whole game, they stormed off after Matt hit that FG.
I hope the fans treated you well. Tough loss. I didn't see any of the highlights as we left Columbus as soon as our game was over. The Bengals struggled for most of the 2nd half. Defense played so so, but the Browns really stepped up. I had been calling this game a "trap game" all week. When it is a division foe, throw out the records and you get a slug fest.
Next week for 1st place in the division. I know the Bengals have to step up their game to compete next Sunday. They have been finding ways to win in spite of the mistakes and that had better stop or they will be coming home 3-2.
The fans were OK, some a-holes but mostly pretty cool.
Game was b.s. Another one side officiating crew. Gets old after a while. Oh how nice it would be to be a fan of one of the chosen NFL teams, I'm sure as a Bengal fan you can understand. I don't know if you saw the highlights, I could type all day about the calls, but the big ones getting national attention are the roughing the passer calls. Suggs gets pushed into Bradys knee, well he barely brushed it, that gets a flag. Another time someone tapped Bradys helmet, that gets a flag. You know its bad if the national media is going against Brady and the beloved Belicheats err Patriots.
I'm used to it though, we still had a chance to win at the end and Mark Clayton dropped a sure first down that would have made it 1st and goal from the 3 with 30 seconds left. Oh well, life goes on.
The fans were OK, some a-holes but mostly pretty cool.
Game was b.s. Another one side officiating crew. Gets old after a while. Oh how nice it would be to be a fan of one of the chosen NFL teams, I'm sure as a Bengal fan you can understand. I don't know if you saw the highlights, I could type all day about the calls, but the big ones getting national attention are the roughing the passer calls. Suggs gets pushed into Bradys knee, well he barely brushed it, that gets a flag. Another time someone tapped Bradys helmet, that gets a flag. You know its bad if the national media is going against Brady and the beloved Belicheats err Patriots.
I'm used to it though, we still had a chance to win at the end and Mark Clayton dropped a sure first down that would have made it 1st and goal from the 3 with 30 seconds left. Oh well, life goes on.
Can't wait for the game this weekend!
I did see some of the highlights last nite. You did get hosed. Trent Dilfer was showing the Suggs penalty and he was on the refs for that one. I think that stuff should be reviewable. Dilfer said he 's all for protecting the QB but it is getting ridiculous.
So the fans were OK. I have heard it is a rough place for a visiting fan. As someone who has sat in the Dawg Pound all dressed and painted up, I can relate. In fact they were OK for the most part. You gain some respect going into enemy territory. You get that a little in Cincinnati, but our section is pretty mellow. Most everyone is over 30 and the a-holes tend to be younger with their beer muscles.
I cant wait for Sunday too. I hope the offense shows up for 4 quarters. They haven't done it yet. This week would be a great time to start.
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As a Patriots fan I am more than happy with the win this weekend. The roughing the passer calls are hard to take for sure but we've had a few called on us so far as well. You can't touch the QB's below the knee or above the neck no matter what the intent, everyone has to get used to it. As for Brady asking for the flag or fist pumping when he got it, I hate seeing that stuff. Just like I hate when a receiver calls for a PI flag.
Having said that, I don't see that the game was decided because of penalties. The Ravens didn't make the couple of plays they needed to make to get the victory, the kick-off return fumble was big and the drop by Clayton was huge. It was a tight game and that particular crew of refs call the most penalties in the league which sucks for both sides.
Glad to hear the fans were for the most part civil to you, I am going to Foxboro for the first time in Nov to see the Jets at Patriots game and have a friend who is a Jets fan who is coming along with us. Can't wait it will be my first live NFL game after years of watching on TV. You guys have any suggestions or things I should do to make this experience more enjoyable?
As a Patriots fan I am more than happy with the win this weekend. The roughing the passer calls are hard to take for sure but we've had a few called on us so far as well. You can't touch the QB's below the knee or above the neck no matter what the intent, everyone has to get used to it. As for Brady asking for the flag or fist pumping when he got it, I hate seeing that stuff. Just like I hate when a receiver calls for a PI flag.
Having said that, I don't see that the game was decided because of penalties. The Ravens didn't make the couple of plays they needed to make to get the victory, the kick-off return fumble was big and the drop by Clayton was huge. It was a tight game and that particular crew of refs call the most penalties in the league which sucks for both sides.
Glad to hear the fans were for the most part civil to you, I am going to Foxboro for the first time in Nov to see the Jets at Patriots game and have a friend who is a Jets fan who is coming along with us. Can't wait it will be my first live NFL game after years of watching on TV. You guys have any suggestions or things I should do to make this experience more enjoyable?
I wish the below the knee rule was in effect in 2005. It might have prevented Carson Palmer getting his knee blown out against the Steelers in the playoffs. I truly believe if that doesn't happen, the Bengals beat the Steelers and go deep into the playoffs that year.
The NFL live game experience is awesome. Dress up if you have the gear. I have 4 authentic game jerseys with my last name on them and the number 4. I have my name because I will always be on the team. I couldn't imagine shelling out $300.00 for a jersey with a players name on it and 2 years later he is not on the team anymore.
Take binoculars. The game is great close up and checking out the cheerleaders doesn't hurt. And finally, don't drink too much. It is $7.50 for a 20 ounce beer at Paul Brown Stadium and I refuse to pay that price. We allways tailgate so if I want a good buzz, I just load up before the game and when the game is over most times I am able to drive, (if my wife allows me).
I wish the below the knee rule was in effect in 2005. It might have prevented Carson Palmer getting his knee blown out against the Steelers in the playoffs. I truly believe if that doesn't happen, the Bengals beat the Steelers and go deep into the playoffs that year.
The NFL live game experience is awesome. Dress up if you have the gear. I have 4 authentic game jerseys with my last name on them and the number 4. I have my name because I will always be on the team. I couldn't imagine shelling out $300.00 for a jersey with a players name on it and 2 years later he is not on the team anymore.
Take binoculars. The game is great close up and checking out the cheerleaders doesn't hurt. And finally, don't drink too much. It is $7.50 for a 20 ounce beer at Paul Brown Stadium and I refuse to pay that price. We allways tailgate so if I want a good buzz, I just load up before the game and when the game is over most times I am able to drive, (if my wife allows me).
I've got Carson Palmer in one of my Fantasy leagues, he is still a great QB. That hit on Palmer was nasty, as if you needed an extra reason to hate the Steelers. I do believe it though when the players say they aren't trying to injure or ruin another players career but the QB is pretty helpless when trying for the long bomb, the time he needs and extension of the leg. I understand the rule to try and protect them better, the unfortunate thing is intent can't be judged you just have to call them all no matter how lame it seems just to get players to stop. I thought the Jets could have been called for a few roughing the passer penalties on Brady a few weeks back and I found the blow to the head call against the Ravens on Brady pretty ticky-tak.
I have plenty of jerseys and other gear. Good call on the Binoculars, I will definately bring mine. I don't plan on getting too drunk just because it's my first game and I want to remember it all clearly, I'm sure I'll have a few before the game as it's a 4:15 start and then more after to either drown my sorrows or celebrate. Thanks for the advice.
I wish the below the knee rule was in effect in 2005. It might have prevented Carson Palmer getting his knee blown out against the Steelers in the playoffs. I truly believe if that doesn't happen, the Bengals beat the Steelers and go deep into the playoffs that year.
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Bill, don't be foolish enough to think those silly rules will prevent any injury. In the one Suggs play, he was pushed into Brady. In a football game you can't tell a defensive end or tackle to just turn it off when he gets close to the QB - he's still going to go full steam and try to make a play. I do agree that the Bengals would have more than likely won the Super Bowl that year had Carson not gotten hurt.
Regarding the Pats game - to me the worst calls weren't even the roughing the passer calls, it was the spots. All day the spots were terrible. On the fake FG the spot, which was obviously wrong, led to a FG by the Pats making it a 6 point game. Had the spot been correct, it would have been a 3 point game, Ravens would have kicked a FG and took the game into O/T. Not saying they would have won but it would have been closer. Like I said, oh well though, thats the NFL. The Ravens will never get the calls just have to deal with it.
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Bill, don't be foolish enough to think those silly rules will prevent any injury. In the one Suggs play, he was pushed into Brady. In a football game you can't tell a defensive end or tackle to just turn it off when he gets close to the QB - he's still going to go full steam and try to make a play. I do agree that the Bengals would have more than likely won the Super Bowl that year had Carson not gotten hurt.
Regarding the Pats game - to me the worst calls weren't even the roughing the passer calls, it was the spots. All day the spots were terrible. On the fake FG the spot, which was obviously wrong, led to a FG by the Pats making it a 6 point game. Had the spot been correct, it would have been a 3 point game, Ravens would have kicked a FG and took the game into O/T. Not saying they would have won but it would have been closer. Like I said, oh well though, thats the NFL. The Ravens will never get the calls just have to deal with it.
Copied from ESPNboston: "One follow-up on instant replay review: After checking the rulebook, here is one addition that provides important context to the Ravens' instant replay challenge from Sunday's game on the fake field goal attempt, and the ensuing explanation from referee Ron Winter. While the Ravens were challenging if it was a completed catch, all elements of the play -- such as the spot of the ball -- were also reviewable and could have been changed based on the Ravens initial challenge. The confusion seemed to stem from what the Ravens were challenging -- the spot of the ball, or if Baker made the catch. Harbaugh said he challenged both."
Hey aren't you guys playing each other this week?? Bengals and Ravens that is.
Bill, don't be foolish enough to think those silly rules will prevent any injury. In the one Suggs play, he was pushed into Brady. In a football game you can't tell a defensive end or tackle to just turn it off when he gets close to the QB - he's still going to go full steam and try to make a play. I do agree that the Bengals would have more than likely won the Super Bowl that year had Carson not gotten hurt.
Regarding the Pats game - to me the worst calls weren't even the roughing the passer calls, it was the spots. All day the spots were terrible. On the fake FG the spot, which was obviously wrong, led to a FG by the Pats making it a 6 point game. Had the spot been correct, it would have been a 3 point game, Ravens would have kicked a FG and took the game into O/T. Not saying they would have won but it would have been closer. Like I said, oh well though, thats the NFL. The Ravens will never get the calls just have to deal with it.
I think the new rules are to keep the DT's & DE's from diving at the legs of the QB's. I agree that Sugg's was blocked into Brady. Also, Kimo Van Olhoffen was semi blocked into Carson on that tragic play. Did he do it on purpose? No. And it's like Carson said the following year, "There are always guys around your legs and feet, it's part of the game." I just think if you are going to have the rule, it should be reviewable to make sure they wasn't blocked into or if they really hit the QB or not.
I punted and place kicked in HS and college and I would get a roughing call once in awhile due to my great acting ability. Thats why I think those plays should be reviewed.
As for the Ravens never getting any calls, you will this Sunday because the Bengals never get any calls.
Copied from ESPNboston: "One follow-up on instant replay review: After checking the rulebook, here is one addition that provides important context to the Ravens' instant replay challenge from Sunday's game on the fake field goal attempt, and the ensuing explanation from referee Ron Winter. While the Ravens were challenging if it was a completed catch, all elements of the play -- such as the spot of the ball -- were also reviewable and could have been changed based on the Ravens initial challenge. The confusion seemed to stem from what the Ravens were challenging -- the spot of the ball, or if Baker made the catch. Harbaugh said he challenged both."
Hey aren't you guys playing each other this week?? Bengals and Ravens that is.
Yes newf,
The Bengals and the Ravens are head to head this week. Black88GT and myself have been going at this for 9 years. I have watched him grow up into a nice young man, while I have remained an old fart, set in my ways.
As for the game, I don't know what to expect. The Bengals have pulled 3 games out in the 4th quarter and if it wasn't for a fluke play against Denver, they would be 4-0. The Bengals offense had better show up for the whole game this week if they expect to win. As for the defense, they have played OK. They have had monster stops right when they needed them and they are much improved compared to previous squads.
The Bengals and the Ravens are head to head this week. Black88GT and myself have been going at this for 9 years. I have watched him grow up into a nice young man, while I have remained an old fart, set in my ways.
As for the game, I don't know what to expect. The Bengals have pulled 3 games out in the 4th quarter and if it wasn't for a fluke play against Denver, they would be 4-0. The Bengals offense had better show up for the whole game this week if they expect to win. As for the defense, they have played OK. They have had monster stops right when they needed them and they are much improved compared to previous squads.
Oh yea we've been going back and forth for a while - Bill was here to see the Ravens glorious Super Bowl victory in the infamous "oh those tricky buccaneers" thread
It is crazy to think how the Bengals could and should be 4-0 right now. The NFL is like that, you never know what can happen year to year.
The game is going to be close I think, it depends on whether or not the defense can disrupt the rhythm of the Bengals offense. The Bengals have the receivers to exploit our secondary. If I was them, and I am not kidding, I would only attempt maybe 10 or so running plays the entire game. Our d-line can stuff the run as good as anyone, you won't beat us that way. The NFL has transformed into this high flying passing league, just like the NFL officials wanted. Passing is where its at, especially against the Ravens.
I think we'll win because of our running game. Bengals have two good corners and a decent front 7, but the Ravens coaching staff took a lot of heat for only attempting I think 19 runs against the Patriots. I think this will be more of a statement game for our running offense as a whole, expect a heavy dose of it. I do think it will be close though, I could see something like 27-23. Of course if the Ravens cough the ball up all bets are off, turnovers are one of the biggest factors in NFL games, you lose the turnover battle you will probably lose the game.
btw - I got a call today from a family member with two free tickets to the game, so I'll be there! Can't wait, should be a good one!
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btw - regarding the Pats game, I copied and pasted this from a Ravens forum...
• Morris was spotted ¾ of a yard ahead (Q2,10:16) on a 3rd and 7 play that originated at the NE 12. Had the ball been spotted properly, it would have made or missed a first down by less than 6 inches. As spotted, it was good by 27 inches. It’s actually difficult for a linesman to miss by that much, particularly when the play is right in front of him. • Clayton was spotted approximately ½ yard short (Q4, 2:57). The Ravens got the first down on Flacco’s 3rd-down sneak on the next play (3rd and 1), but may have lost a valuable chance to try a play down the field. • The 4th down spot on McGahee (Q4, 5:17) was probably ½ a yard short as placed, but would have resulted in a change of possession nonetheless. • The worst spot of all came on Brady’s 5-yard scramble (Q2, 15:00) which immediately preceded his TD run. On that play, Brady began his slide with the ball at approximately the 3 and a half yard line and his knee touched with the ball squarely at the 3 yard line. The NFL rulebook (section 4, article 1) has the various dead ball situations. These include: (c) whenever a runner declares himself down by sliding feet first on the ground. The ball is dead at the spot of the ball at the instant the runner so touches the ground. The spot allowed the Patriots to run the QB sneak against the Ravens nickel on the very next play. Had the ball been spotted at the 3, the Patriots probably wouldn’t have run the sneak. All 4 of those spots were reviewable, but the Ravens only had 2 challenges, not 6.
As for penalties: • I don’t think I have anything new to say about the Roughing the Passer penalty on Suggs, but I believe it was marginal at best. • Chris Carr was called for illegal contact (Q3, 13:38) on 3rd and 10 to extend a drive. Carr appeared to make contact with Welker, but Welker pushed off hard to gain separation. When the flag was thrown, it appeared Welker was upset and thought he was being penalized. • On a similar play, Mason was called for offensive pass interference (Q3, 1:52) when he pushed lightly at most as he moved to the outside.
Oh yea we've been going back and forth for a while - Bill was here to see the Ravens glorious Super Bowl victory in the infamous "oh those tricky buccaneers" thread
It is crazy to think how the Bengals could and should be 4-0 right now. The NFL is like that, you never know what can happen year to year.
The game is going to be close I think, it depends on whether or not the defense can disrupt the rhythm of the Bengals offense. The Bengals have the receivers to exploit our secondary. If I was them, and I am not kidding, I would only attempt maybe 10 or so running plays the entire game. Our d-line can stuff the run as good as anyone, you won't beat us that way. The NFL has transformed into this high flying passing league, just like the NFL officials wanted. Passing is where its at, especially against the Ravens.
I think we'll win because of our running game. Bengals have two good corners and a decent front 7, but the Ravens coaching staff took a lot of heat for only attempting I think 19 runs against the Patriots. I think this will be more of a statement game for our running offense as a whole, expect a heavy dose of it. I do think it will be close though, I could see something like 27-23. Of course if the Ravens cough the ball up all bets are off, turnovers are one of the biggest factors in NFL games, you lose the turnover battle you will probably lose the game.
btw - I got a call today from a family member with two free tickets to the game, so I'll be there! Can't wait, should be a good one!
I'm happy just to have a meaningful game. The Bengals have been bad for awhile, so it is fun to play for 1st place. Word out of practice today, Cedric Benson has a bum hip and didn't practice. Maybe they will pass more than run. Over the 1st 4 games, it has been an even pass/run ratio, but you never know what the OC, Bratkowski will do.
Congrats on the tix. I will be in the comfort of my man room with my rolled up pair of socks to throw when I need to release some tension.
I'm happy just to have a meaningful game. The Bengals have been bad for awhile, so it is fun to play for 1st place. Word out of practice today, Cedric Benson has a bum hip and didn't practice. Maybe they will pass more than run. Over the 1st 4 games, it has been an even pass/run ratio, but you never know what the OC, Bratkowski will do.
Congrats on the tix. I will be in the comfort of my man room with my rolled up pair of socks to throw when I need to release some tension.
Honestly I don't think Benson would have made any difference. They won't beat the Ravens running the ball anyway.
Speaking of which, I miss the pouting, quiet Chad from last season.
edit: I know the game is long over but this article is a must read about the Ravens/Pats game.
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Honestly I don't think Benson would have made any difference. They won't beat the Ravens running the ball anyway.
Speaking of which, I miss the pouting, quiet Chad from last season.
edit: I know the game is long over but this article is a must read about the Ravens/Pats game.
Benson had a full practice yesterday. It looks like the only player out for the Bengals is Andre Smith. I know the Bengals want to run the ball and that is a tall order against that defense. It looks like it will be up to Carson and the receivers to get it done. As for the pouting Chad, I don't like that one or the loud one either. I wish he was like Marvin Harrison and just played and kept his mouth shut. Do your talking on the field.
Have fun at the game. I wont be checking this until Monday morning, so I hope I'm happy Monday and your not.
And I have seen most of the home games in that series from 1970 to the present. Been to Three Rivers 5 times also. Always had a good time there, better than the Dawg Ppund which I have sat in 3 times, all dressed up. Fun but don't go to the bathroom by your self.
Does Cleveland start at QB? Stay with Quinn? I dont think it really matters. The Browns remind me of some really bad Bengal teams in the late 90's.
