Billionaire Donald Trump is telling friends he has decided he will definitely run for president as a Republican.
Trump will make the announcement when his NBC show "The Apprentice" finishes the season in the spring, he is confiding. He has been soliciting recommendations on political advisers, focusing initially on the Iowa caucus and New Hampshire primary. Trump declined to comment.
In October, Trump said on Fox News' "Fox & Friends" and on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" that he was thinking about the possibility of running. In an interview from Scotland, where he has been building a golf course, Trump expanded on his comments to Newsmax, saying that "the world is laughing at us" and the United States is now “a punching bag for the world.”
It is “sad what’s happened to the country,” Trump said. “We’re no longer a respected nation, and we should be the most respected.”
According to a Newsmax/SurveyUSA poll conducted Nov. 3 and 4, in a head-to-head race between President Obama and Trump, the entrepreneur would get 47 percent of the vote, versus 53 percent for Obama.
Trump polled strongly among Republicans and conservatives. He got 50 percent of the votes of independents.
Understandably, many are skeptical that Trump would actually run. He has toyed with the idea before and is now at the pinnacle of his real estate career.
At his New Year's Eve party at Mar-a-Lago, his home and club in Palm Beach, he clearly was enjoying his celebrity, shmoozing with Regis Philbin and Rod Stewart in between dances with his stunning wife Melania.
But Trump has told friends he believes Obama is a "disaster." An advocate of a strong national security, he becomes livid when he talks about the decline of America compared with other countries like China.
“I look at the jobs numbers, and I see what’s going on in China, where it’s booming," Trump said on Fox News. "You know why it’s booming? Because they’re making all our products.They’re taking all our jobs. We are rebuilding China, and our country is going to hell.”
I'd vote for him.
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I don't care for how he has raised his family, or how he has ran his life. Just because he has a good publicist does not make him presidential material.
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He is a blowhard and exaggerator. Makes me sick when he refers to himself as a self made man. Real Estate developer magnate trump show father was a .... garbage man? No also a real estate developer.
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I personaly think the man would make a great president. Lets face it he dident get to be one of the richist men in the world because hes stupid and cant buget himself. The man is brilliant and hes also a take no sh*t kind of guy. he would get my vote.. he knows how to run a multo billion dollar corperation... i tink he would d a great job running the country.
Also think obamha's candel has blown out.
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I don't care for how he has raised his family, or how he has ran his life. Just because he has a good publicist does not make him presidential material.
Brad
Im not a Trump fan though his daughter is no dummy, she runs the business side and his son is involved also. Also I dont believe he ever had a personal bankruptcy. He did use his large loans as leverage early on the banks, to stay afloat. The banks stayed with him rather than defaulting which would have been a major loss to them and in the end made money. Plus his casino in Atlantic City is above water where as the others are drowning and treading water at best. His fortunes are tied to the economy as all of us too. Also his choice in wives aint all that bad, Id do any of them and they get better looking (younger) too. Also there are many stories of him helping out and giving to total strangers in spontanous moments with more than trival charity.
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He is a successful businessman, that should count for something.
He knows how to make money in real estate, and he knows how to go bankrupt in real estate. If you're looking for a POTUS to oversee the bankruptcy and liquidation of the US when Obama's finished with it - he's your man.
Im not a Trump fan though his daughter is no dummy, she runs the business side and his son is involved also. Also I dont believe he ever had a personal bankruptcy. He did use his large loans as leverage early on the banks, to stay afloat. The banks stayed with him rather than defaulting which would have been a major loss to them and in the end made money. Plus his casino in Atlantic City is above water where as the others are drowning and treading water at best. His fortunes are tied to the economy as all of us too. Also his choice in wives aint all that bad, Id do any of them and they get better looking (younger) too. Also there are many stories of him helping out and giving to total strangers in spontanous moments with more than trival charity.
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Not in dispute is the fact that Trump’s businesses have been in and out of bankruptcy court since the early 1990’s. In 1991, The Taj Mahal Casino, which Trump financed largely with high-interest junk bonds, was forced into bankruptcy. In 1992, the Trump Plaza Hotel was forced to reorganize under a Chapter 11 bankruptcy plan after being unable to meet it dept payments. In 2004, Trump Hotels was also forced to file for Chapter 11 bankruptcy. About that bankruptcy he said, “I don't think it's a failure, it's a success." This confusion with opposites is considered by many to be a possible explanation for his taste in women.
I guess in looking at where our country is heading currently, having someone familiar with bankruptcy could be a benefit.
Don't forget, he is not a self made man, he was born super rich.
And I don't think the hotness of a spouse should be a factor in deciding if a person could be a leader, seriously.
No, Well, maybe--if he were a community organizer, promised full transparency, promised to end earmarks, promised to change how Washington does business, and give us reduced or free healthcare. Oh--wait. NM
I personaly think the man would make a great president. Lets face it he dident get to be one of the richist men in the world because hes stupid and cant buget himself.
Right, he got there by being born.
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The man is brilliant and hes also a take no sh*t kind of guy. he would get my vote.. he knows how to run a multo billion dollar corperation... i tink he would d a great job running the country.
He may be smart, but brilliant is just a little much. His greatest accomplishment is? He built a building? Exactly the same as his father did?
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Also think obamha's candel has blown out.
I agree, though I doubt we have heard the last from him, or his cronies. The Left is being quiet right now for a reason, something is up.
I guess in looking at where our country is heading currently, having someone familiar with bankruptcy could be a benefit.
Don't forget, he is not a self made man, he was born super rich.
And I don't think the hotness of a spouse should be a factor in deciding if a person could be a leader, seriously.
Brad
Hello I dont want to be in a postion of defending a billionare, nor do I care about him one way or the other but yes he had a leg up over than most of us while making more money than his father. Plus he has had hot wives, so what! Maybe hes a closet tranny I couldnt care less, at least then he might have better hair. His ability to cope with financial distress and leadership of thousands of employees shows more than something to simply dismiss. Lesser men would have given up rather than face and emerge from the following:
Financial problems (1989–1997)By 1989, the effects of recession left Trump unable to meet loan payments. Trump financed the construction of his third casino, the $1 billion Taj Mahal, primarily with high-interest junk bonds. Although he shored up his businesses with additional loans and postponed interest payments, by 1991 increasing debt brought Trump to business bankruptcy[5] and the brink of personal bankruptcy. Banks and bond holders had lost hundreds of millions of dollars, but opted to restructure his debt to avoid the risk of losing more money in court. The Taj Mahal re-emerged from bankruptcy on October 5, 1991, with Trump ceding 50% ownership in the casino to the original bondholders in exchange for lowered interest rates on the debt and more time to pay it off.[16]
On November 2, 1992, the Trump Plaza Hotel was forced to file a prepackaged Chapter 11 Bankruptcy protection plan after being unable to make its debt payments. Under the plan, Trump agreed to give up a 49% stake in the luxury hotel to Citibank and five other lenders. In return Trump would receive more favorable terms on the remaining $550+ million owed to the lenders and retain his position as chief executive, though he would not be paid and would not have a role in day-to-day operations.[17]
By 1994, Trump had eliminated a large portion of his $900 million personal debt[18] and reduced significantly his nearly $3.5 billion in business debt. While he was forced to relinquish the Trump Shuttle (which he had bought in 1989), he managed to retain Trump Tower in New York City and control of his three casinos in Atlantic City. Chase Manhattan Bank, which lent Trump the money to buy the West Side yards, his biggest Manhattan parcel, forced the sale of a parcel to Asian developers. According to former members of the Trump Organization, Trump did not retain any ownership of the site's real estate - the owners merely promised to give him about 30 percent of the profits once the site was completely developed or sold. Until that time, the owners wanted to keep Trump on to do what he did best: build things. They gave him a modest construction fee and a management fee to oversee the development. The new owners also allowed him to put his name on the buildings that eventually rose on the yards because his well-known moniker allowed them to charge a premium for their condos.[19]
Trump was elected to the Gaming Hall of Fame in 1995.[20]
In 1995, he combined his casino holdings into the publicly held Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts. Wall Street drove its stock above $35 in 1996, but by 1998 it had fallen into single digits as the company remained profitless and struggled to pay just the interest on its nearly $3 billion in debt. Under such financial pressure, the properties were unable to make the improvements necessary for keeping up with their flashier competitors.
Finally, on October 21, 2004, Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts announced a restructuring of its debt.[21] The plan called for Trump's individual ownership to be reduced from 56 percent to 27 percent, with bondholders receiving stock in exchange for surrendering part of the debt. Since then, Trump Hotels has been forced to seek voluntary bankruptcy protection to stay afloat. After the company applied for Chapter 11 Protection in November 2004, Trump relinquished his CEO position but retained a role as Chairman of the Board. In May 2005[22] the company re-emerged from bankruptcy as Trump Entertainment Resorts Holdings.[23]
So this is the guy that you think should represent you? Serious question.
Brad
Hello, to be honest not sure. Though we know a lot more about his accomplishments, success, fails and educational achievements than we know about our current administration after two years in office. Scams, if you mean hard business decisions that kept more people working in the Private sector than what we have now. I dont see where he got any Public funding to stay afloat nor have we heard of any thing illegal in his dealings. The biggest Scam in history is the second stimulas program that tranferred your money private money out of the public sector to fund Union Pension programs and to keep corrupt government officals from losing their money in Wall Street. The TARP stimulas was bad enough, but according to our present administration that has been paid back to the treasury and even made money, I guess we can blame Bush for that too.
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Hmm--all that bankruptcy, but oddly enough, his bondholders didn't end up on such a crappy end of the stick. Oh--wait--those weren't govt orchestrated bankruptcies. No voting bloc to placate and buy off. (that didn't work out so great last Nov after all)
Hello I dont want to be in a postion of defending a billionare, nor do I care about him one way or the other but yes he had a leg up over than most of us while making more money than his father. Plus he has had hot wives, so what! Maybe hes a closet tranny I couldnt care less, at least then he might have better hair. His ability to cope with financial distress and leadership of thousands of employees shows more than something to simply dismiss. Lesser men would have given up rather than face and emerge from the following:
Financial problems (1989–1997)By 1989, the effects of recession left Trump unable to meet loan payments. Trump financed the construction of his third casino, the $1 billion Taj Mahal, primarily with high-interest junk bonds. Although he shored up his businesses with additional loans and postponed interest payments, by 1991 increasing debt brought Trump to business bankruptcy[5] and the brink of personal bankruptcy. Banks and bond holders had lost hundreds of millions of dollars, but opted to restructure his debt to avoid the risk of losing more money in court. The Taj Mahal re-emerged from bankruptcy on October 5, 1991, with Trump ceding 50% ownership in the casino to the original bondholders in exchange for lowered interest rates on the debt and more time to pay it off.[16]
On November 2, 1992, the Trump Plaza Hotel was forced to file a prepackaged Chapter 11 Bankruptcy protection plan after being unable to make its debt payments. Under the plan, Trump agreed to give up a 49% stake in the luxury hotel to Citibank and five other lenders. In return Trump would receive more favorable terms on the remaining $550+ million owed to the lenders and retain his position as chief executive, though he would not be paid and would not have a role in day-to-day operations.[17]
By 1994, Trump had eliminated a large portion of his $900 million personal debt[18] and reduced significantly his nearly $3.5 billion in business debt. While he was forced to relinquish the Trump Shuttle (which he had bought in 1989), he managed to retain Trump Tower in New York City and control of his three casinos in Atlantic City. Chase Manhattan Bank, which lent Trump the money to buy the West Side yards, his biggest Manhattan parcel, forced the sale of a parcel to Asian developers. According to former members of the Trump Organization, Trump did not retain any ownership of the site's real estate - the owners merely promised to give him about 30 percent of the profits once the site was completely developed or sold. Until that time, the owners wanted to keep Trump on to do what he did best: build things. They gave him a modest construction fee and a management fee to oversee the development. The new owners also allowed him to put his name on the buildings that eventually rose on the yards because his well-known moniker allowed them to charge a premium for their condos.[19]
Trump was elected to the Gaming Hall of Fame in 1995.[20]
In 1995, he combined his casino holdings into the publicly held Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts. Wall Street drove its stock above $35 in 1996, but by 1998 it had fallen into single digits as the company remained profitless and struggled to pay just the interest on its nearly $3 billion in debt. Under such financial pressure, the properties were unable to make the improvements necessary for keeping up with their flashier competitors.
Finally, on October 21, 2004, Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts announced a restructuring of its debt.[21] The plan called for Trump's individual ownership to be reduced from 56 percent to 27 percent, with bondholders receiving stock in exchange for surrendering part of the debt. Since then, Trump Hotels has been forced to seek voluntary bankruptcy protection to stay afloat. After the company applied for Chapter 11 Protection in November 2004, Trump relinquished his CEO position but retained a role as Chairman of the Board. In May 2005[22] the company re-emerged from bankruptcy as Trump Entertainment Resorts Holdings.[23]
If that all happened last week I wonder who's name would be on his tower.
IMHO, somebody who can't be content with the FIRST 5 million they own, and HAS to continue to amass vast foretunes has a serious personality disorder, such as compulsive obsession, no self-esteem, and greedy beyond all concept. I wouldn't give that man 2 minutes at the helm of a great country like the USA. You see, rich people only become rich for themselves (refer back to my previous point), and don't give a shoot for anybody else...so long as THEY get what they want. A mulit-billionaire doesn't give charity, he manipulates his tax returns by donating piddling amounts that would be the same to HIM,as the half a dime that lies down the back of your settee. Don't be over-awed by the AMOUNT donated only: balance it against total worth, and you will see the reality. Does it cause him any suffering or sacrifice to donate...or will he actually be better off subsequently? Does he know the name and phone number of his personal Attorney, without having to look it up? Does he have it on speed-dial? If the answer is YES...wonder why IMHO also...for every $ he owns, there is somebody he trod on to get it Mike Heybjorn says I have a hatred for people like Trump etc...nope. I have a hatred for their greed, and He is right, though, to say my hatred came about through my Father and brothers...because they are the epitomy of everything I dislike about money and what it does to people. Nick
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I don't care for how he has raised his family, or how he has ran his life. Just because he has a good publicist does not make him presidential material.
Brad
Don't know about all the other stuff, but I'm assuming where his strength as a candidate will come from his business prowess, and his fiscal conservatism.
That said, he has filed for bankruptcy on a couple of his endavors... but that just means that he knows when to thrown in the towell.
I could care less whether or not he agrees with everything else I believe in, I just want someone who is fiscally conservative. I'd prefer Chris Christie though...
You know, a President is only a spokesman anyways for the most part. I would keep an option on voting for him as Prez. But I would like to know his platform.
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You know, a President is only a spokesman anyways for the most part. I would keep an option on voting for him as Prez. But I would like to know his platform.
I have to disagree heavily with this. Many people don't realize this, but the president is responsible for shaping the entire government, and it happens almost overnight.
When a president is sworn in, he immediately appoints members to his cabinet. It's not so much who's best for the job, as it is who THEY think is best for the job. IE: the people who more appropriately match up with the new presidents ideals.
Lets set aside his cabinet for a minute...
There are multiple comitties that exist under the president. The president will directly sit in on many of these comittee meetings. When he doesn't have the time, he has one of his cabinet members, or he appoints someone to chair these comittees for him directly. The chair or the representative of the president is the one who sets the tone and direction for the comittee. Take for example, the intelligence comittee...
Now, from this point, there are multiple comittees and sub comittees under that one comittee (no idea if I'm spelling this wrong! hahah). When the direction changes in the main comittee, so does the direction in all the other comittees under it. They will hire people all the way from the top-down to help in this new direction.
A perfect example is the Department of Homeland Security. Almost overnight, the DHS went from being anti-terrorist, to over-night being anti-patriot.
You saw within months of the inaguration, DHS released a demographic report on citizens that they considered threats to the government, which profiled retired veterans, Republicans, etc...
This is how the ENTIRE government works... it starts from the top-down.
The legislative and Judicial branch are VERY different. Certainly, many of these comittees have members of the house as chair, but there are many comissions and departments within the government that take their direct control from the president. The intelligence community is the perfect example. Every up-and-coming Democrat president always hates the agencies and campaigns on disolving them... yet, when they get into office, everything changes.
Carter ran in his campaign saying that the CIA was a rogue entity... but once he became president, he created more than 80% of the programs that Ronald Reagan ended up using in his own presidency. Don't get me wrong, I can't stand Carter... but almost all of the clandestine programs he utilized, were actually created and initiated by Carter.
Richard Nixon was another funny one... he used to appoint people on comittees for no other reason than to ensure that no one was talking about him behind his back. Crazyness...
A mulit-billionaire doesn't give charity, he manipulates his tax returns by donating piddling amounts that would be the same to HIM,as the half a dime that lies down the back of your settee. Don't be over-awed by the AMOUNT donated only: balance it against total worth, and you will see the reality. Does it cause him any suffering or sacrifice to donate...or will he actually be better off subsequently? Does he know the name and phone number of his personal Attorney, without having to look it up? Does he have it on speed-dial? If the answer is YES...wonder why
Nick, I have to disagree with you on this. Here is his charity work, events, and causes. Charity should not cause one any suffering or sacrifice, that means it is being done wrong. http://www.looktothestars.o...rity/56-donald-trump If you are worried about the Donald's spiritual power here is a good article to read. http://www.ufodigest.com/news/0107/trump.html I'm sure the Donald is in the 1 percentile when it comes to taxes paid. That group pays the highest taxes in our country and there is only so much you can write off as charity. Any successful business person should have their personal lawyer's name and number on speed dial, there are constant business dealings that require this. Anyone who works with contracts knows this. Don't hate the guy for making himself richer. I bet he has created my jobs than Obama has and for less cost to the taxpayers too. As for Billionaires in general not giving money to charities, I guess you haven't heard about Bill Gates and 40 others giving half of their fortunes away. http://gizmodo.com/5604368/...-half-their-fortunes Rich people aren't as bad as the media protrays them.
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IMHO, somebody who can't be content with the FIRST 5 million they own, and HAS to continue to amass vast foretunes has a serious personality disorder, such as compulsive obsession, no self-esteem, and greedy beyond all concept. I wouldn't give that man 2 minutes at the helm of a great country like the USA. You see, rich people only become rich for themselves (refer back to my previous point), and don't give a shoot for anybody else...so long as THEY get what they want. A mulit-billionaire doesn't give charity, he manipulates his tax returns by donating piddling amounts that would be the same to HIM,as the half a dime that lies down the back of your settee. Don't be over-awed by the AMOUNT donated only: balance it against total worth, and you will see the reality. Does it cause him any suffering or sacrifice to donate...or will he actually be better off subsequently? Does he know the name and phone number of his personal Attorney, without having to look it up? Does he have it on speed-dial? If the answer is YES...wonder why IMHO also...for every $ he owns, there is somebody he trod on to get it Mike Heybjorn says I have a hatred for people like Trump etc...nope. I have a hatred for their greed, and He is right, though, to say my hatred came about through my Father and brothers...because they are the epitomy of everything I dislike about money and what it does to people. Nick
You have an amazing capacity to judge and loathe a group of people based on nothing other than how much money they have. Giving to charity doesn't matter unless it causes you pain and suffering? All of his money must have been made by injuring someone else?
You have deep personal issues. You're transferring your anger and hatred of your father and brothers to anyone who has more than you. You have no idea if someone is greedy, or if they just genuinely love doing what they do.
Given the amount of hatred people direct towards the wealthy, it's no wonder they need to keep a personal attorney on retainer at all times.
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IMHO, somebody who can't be content with the FIRST 5 million they own, and HAS to continue to amass vast foretunes has a serious personality disorder, such as compulsive obsession, no self-esteem, and greedy beyond all concept. I wouldn't give that man 2 minutes at the helm of a great country like the USA. You see, rich people only become rich for themselves (refer back to my previous point), and don't give a shoot for anybody else...so long as THEY get what they want. A mulit-billionaire doesn't give charity, he manipulates his tax returns by donating piddling amounts that would be the same to HIM,as the half a dime that lies down the back of your settee. Don't be over-awed by the AMOUNT donated only: balance it against total worth, and you will see the reality. Does it cause him any suffering or sacrifice to donate...or will he actually be better off subsequently? Does he know the name and phone number of his personal Attorney, without having to look it up? Does he have it on speed-dial? If the answer is YES...wonder why IMHO also...for every $ he owns, there is somebody he trod on to get it Mike Heybjorn says I have a hatred for people like Trump etc...nope. I have a hatred for their greed, and He is right, though, to say my hatred came about through my Father and brothers...because they are the epitomy of everything I dislike about money and what it does to people. Nick
Quick comment Nick.
If everyone stopped at their first 5 million, then companies wouldn't exist.
There wouldn't be an eBay, Microsoft, Honeywell, General Electric, Raytheon, Boeing, Motorola, Ford Motor Company, Charles Schwab, etc... etc... etc...
Plus, all the people who work for those companies wouldn't have jobs.
5 million dollars does absolutely nothing. You can't own or operate any of the companies I mentioned above if you have anything under a billion. With 5 million dollars... you could operate a small Mom & Pop hardware store... but... the problem is that you wouldn't be able to sell anything because all the companies that you buy the products from to sell are all bigger than 5 million dollar companies.
I can understand your feelings... you live in Spain which is just a hop skip and a jump from Monaco and Nice in France... I'd probably feel the same way as you if I saw that every day.
He is a successful businessman, that should count for something.
It means he ran a business IN a market, doesn't mean he ran run THE market, or a country. Sure it helps, but it doesn't really mean a lot in the long run.
I have to disagree heavily with this. Many people don't realize this, but the president is responsible for shaping the entire government, and it happens almost overnight.
He's sort of like a captain of a cruse line.. Its far larger then he is, but he gets to point in the general direction he wants to go and has the badge, but all the 'workers' actually do the driving.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Quick comment Nick.
If everyone stopped at their first 5 million, then companies wouldn't exist.
There wouldn't be an eBay, Microsoft, Honeywell, General Electric, Raytheon, Boeing, Motorola, Ford Motor Company, Charles Schwab, etc... etc... etc...
Plus, all the people who work for those companies wouldn't have jobs.
5 million dollars does absolutely nothing. You can't own or operate any of the companies I mentioned above if you have anything under a billion. With 5 million dollars... you could operate a small Mom & Pop hardware store... but... the problem is that you wouldn't be able to sell anything because all the companies that you buy the products from to sell are all bigger than 5 million dollar companies.
I can understand your feelings... you live in Spain which is just a hop skip and a jump from Monaco and Nice in France... I'd probably feel the same way as you if I saw that every day.
Oh how the obsession with becoming rich, or the dream of becomning rich, blinds the obsessive eye
Can you explain to me WHY anybody who has reached the first 5 million, HAS TO STOP WORKING???? If the obsession was with working, he would, and COULD, continue to work for nothing. SHOCK HORROR!!! WORK FOR NOTHING??? Exactly...it is obsession with being filthy rich, not wanting to work for ever. Or even until retirement. Please, do your best to explain to me, having attained the amount of money $1 above what we need to buy anything and everything existing in the World, from the interest earned on the 5 million...WHY continue to take in MORE money? Todd....please be aware that 10 or 20 Super-companies in one Country is NOT beneficial to the PEOPLE of the Country. Nor either is the collective power of a few commercial multi-billionaires healthy either. Power corrupts. Too much power can totally corrupt. Look around you, oh blinkered people...you hate the way the Political Game is progressing...and yet that has come about because TOO FEW PEOPLE HAVE TOO MUCH MONEY. The philosophy that, giving a mega-rich man the job of running the country will make the country rich is proved false in almost EVERY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. The RICH get RICHER; and the rest get poorer. Even the poorest Countries in the whole World are led/ dictated to by millionaires, billionaires, and multi-billionaires. The Rich invest their money to create jobs. Bollocks. They wnt to create more personal WEALTH for THEMSELVES. Thre fact that some people might manage to make a living DOING the work they create is TOTALLY INCIDENTAL, IMHO. Formula88...I still have you as rated positive...I won't be changing that, of course. You punish nyourself enough by aspiring to be a millionaire, and failing. Your cross resting upon your shoulders appears to make you more irrascible than my apparent poverty does me Disclaimer ...my abstention from nicotine during the past week might account for the ire that rises to the top of my emotions during this stressful period
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