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America has come a long way by Formula88
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In a few short days, a black man will move from his private residence into a much larger and more expensive one owned not by him but by the taxpayers. A vast lawn, perimeter fence and many well-trained security specialists will insulate him from the rest of us, but the mere fact that this man will live there should make us all stop and count our blessings — because it proves we live in a nation where anything is possible.

Many believed this day would never come. Most of us hoped and prayed that it would, but few of us actually believed we would live to see it. Racism is an ugly thing in all of its forms and there is little doubt that if this man had moved there 15 years ago, there would have been a great outcry — possibly even rioting in the streets. Today, we can all be both grateful and proud that no such mayhem will take place when this man takes up residency in this house.

This man, moving into this house at this time in our nation's history is much more than a simple change of addresses for him — it is proof of a change in our attitude as a nation. It is an amends of sorts — the righting of a great wrong. It is a symbol of our growth, and of our willingness to judge a man, not by the color of his skin but by the content of his character.

There can be little doubt now that the vast majority of us truly believe this man has earned both his place in history and his new address. His time in this house will not be easy — it will be fraught with danger and he will face many challenges. We're sure there will be many times when he asks himself how in the world he ended up here, and, like all who have gone before him, the experience will age him greatly. But in every way a man can, he asked for this. His whole life for the past fifteen years appears to have been inexorably leading this man toward this house. It is highly probable that in the past, despite all of his actions, racism would have kept this man out of this house. Today, we thank the Lord above that we are Americans and live in a nation where wrongs are righted, where justice matters and where truly anything is possible. A nation where O.J. Simpson is finally going to jail.

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Great post, .
Myself, I think that his lack of experience might be a good thing. I am tired of regulars. My only doubt is that he was weened on Chicago politics and party affiliation. I have high hopes for him.
 
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.....there is little doubt that if this man had moved there 15 years ago, there would have been a great outcry — possibly even rioting in the streets.

Can't quite agree. I would not have griped. I have always believed that a man was a man. Your thought bears merit I suppose but I think just 15 years ago is off the mark.
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This should be a good thread to see who can read.

btw, OJ didn't get off because he was black... he got off because he was rich.
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Maybe he'll continue his search for the 'real' killer while he's in there, but he'll have to have a set of golf clubs snuck in first.

I'm glad he doesn't have the money/power to purchase a luxury cell while he's there. Some quality time with the general population ought to do him some good
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Originally posted by Formula88:

This man, moving into this house at this time in our nation's history is much more than a simple change of addresses for him — it is proof of a change in our attitude as a nation. It is an amends of sorts — the righting of a great wrong. It is a symbol of our growth, and of our willingness to judge a man, not by the color of his skin but by the content of his character.
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OH, I wish I could resist and leave it at that. My response is: In my eyes this does not right any wrong, if it does to some people that is good I suppose. If electing someone of a certain color somehow makes people of that same color feel as though any prejudices are improved that is good, it is after all the perception of prejudice that really matters. I think we as a nation elect the person that it seems fits and seems the best suited out of the two parties that are really all that is running. The one that convinces us they will try the hardest.

That said I don't think I have been shown any of the content of Barack's character that would lead me to think he would have been elected, I have however seen an outstanding marketing job by his campaign commitee. I think alot of us if not most do not judge anyone by their skin color but by what we percieve is their character on a daily basis. We will see where this goes, as we are hoping for the best.
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Originally posted by ryan.hess:

This should be a good thread to see who can read.

<snip.


^^^^^^^^^^^^ Uhm, yup. LOL

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Some sort of new fangled trickery going on?
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EDIT: too late, sry

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you shouldn't have gaved it away, this could have been fun.
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you shouldn't have gaved it away, this could have been fun.


Start over.
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Sorry still don't get it. One can't think OJ going to jail is just and still be an Obama supporter?
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so far this has been the highlight of my day
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Originally posted by ryan.hess:
OJ didn't get off because he was black... he got off because he was rich.


Interesting, I was told it was because the jury didn't agree with the prosecutor and police on his guilt. Hmm

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Two key phrases: 15 Years ago, and Vast majority. O.J. not B.O.

good one.
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Interesting, I was told it was because the jury didn't agree with the prosecutor and police on his guilt. Hmm

Ron


Johnnie Cochran, Robert Shapiro, and the 4 other guys on the defense team were working pro-bono?

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Heh heh, we witness the same reading comprehension problem in many threads here, but this one takes the cake.
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Johnnie Cochran, Robert Shapiro, and the 4 other guys on the defense team were working pro-bono?


I'm not privy to their tax returns, wouldn't know. Do you think the jury knows?

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HeHeHe.

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Haha!

I'll admit, I didn't get it at first, either. However, I read it a few times over before posting anything...
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I knew something was fishy so I kept on reading until I reached the final sentence, then it all made sense.
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Originally posted by ryan.hess:

This should be a good thread to see who can read.

btw, OJ didn't get off because he was black... he got off because he was rich.


Without getting labeled a racist, it seems to be my recollection that a "jury of his peers" may not have been as objective as they could/should have been. Of course, I also agree with the being rich part too.

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In four years, BO will pardon him in his last day in office.
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In four years, BO will pardon him in his last day in office.


Wow... wouldn't that suck? That though never even crossed my mind...

And to the OP... you had me fooled up the the last sentence. Funny!

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Originally posted by carnut122:


Without getting labeled a racist, it seems to be my recollection that a "jury of his peers" may not have been as objective as they could/should have been. Of course, I also agree with the being rich part too.



It didn't hurt that the defense played up Mark Furman's record of racism. Wouldn't have worked if the defendant had been a white guy.
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I wonder if big Bubba has a bunk all made up for Miss, I mean OJ Simpson.
May give a new meaning to the phrase "The Juice is LOOSE".
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Originally posted by ryan.hess:

This should be a good thread to see who can read.


It's a good example of people reading just enough of a post to find something to disagree with so they can reply with their exceptions.
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I'm not privy to their tax returns, wouldn't know. Do you think the jury knows?

Ron


My guess is one or more of them knew who "the juice" was... but if they didn't, having 6 lawyers might have tipped them off.

"His criminal case cost at least $3 million, possibly as much as $6 million. "

 
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It's a good example of people reading just enough of a post to find something to disagree with so they can reply with their exceptions.


You sir, are blatantly wrong for the following reasons!!

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I disagree.
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Excuse me, but I said nothing about preferring apple juice over O.J.
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Originally posted by Formula88:
Fail.

Hmmm.....
 
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Originally posted by ryan.hess:
This should be a good thread to see who can read.

Indeed.
 
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Heh heh, we witness the same reading comprehension problem in many threads here, but this one takes the cake.

Hmm....
 
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Originally posted by Formula88:
It's a good example of people reading just enough of a post to find something to disagree with so they can reply with their exceptions.

I did read it all.
OJ's conviction came 13 days to the day after his previous acquittal. Perhaps the double murder was 15 years ago.
 
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In a few short days, a black man will move from his private residence into a much larger and more.....

OJ was already in prison at the time of your post.
I pass.
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OJ was already in prison at the time of your post.
I pass.
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But you fail on this:
 
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OJ's conviction came 13 days to the day after his previous acquittal. Perhaps the double murder was 15 years ago.


13 years.......not days

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Originally posted by Formula88:


It's a good example of people reading just enough of a post to find something to disagree with so they can reply with their exceptions.


Actually I read the entire post, and was uninterested by the parts I did not reply to. My reply stands on its own the the parts that I replied to. I made a pojnt and thats what I intended. If I'm digging a deep hole I could care less, and how much it entertains as well. Don't make me keep digging this hole! heh Two meanings, I replied to one of them.

*Edit...If you would like my opinion on the OJ part, yes it is a good thing.

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Originally posted by 2.5:


Actually I read the entire post, and was uninterested by the parts I did not reply to. My reply stands on its own the the parts that I replied to. I made a pojnt and thats what I intended. If I'm digging a deep hole I could care less, and how much it entertains as well. Don't make me keep digging this hole! heh Two meanings, I replied to one of them.

*Edit...If you would like my opinion on the OJ part, yes it is a good thing.



Ahh, but really there weren't two meanings. The entire post was about OJ. Anything else was just assumed...

I think its less of an example of who can or cannot read, as much as who does or does not let their perception color their reading...

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Originally posted by 2.5:


Actually I read the entire post, and was uninterested by the parts I did not reply to. My reply stands on its own the the parts that I replied to. I made a pojnt and thats what I intended. If I'm digging a deep hole I could care less, and how much it entertains as well. Don't make me keep digging this hole! heh Two meanings, I replied to one of them.

*Edit...If you would like my opinion on the OJ part, yes it is a good thing.



So any discussion about anything is an opportunity for you to talk about Obama?
There was one meaning in that post. It referred to O.J. Simpson - by name. You saw "black man" and decided it MUST mean Obama. That is why you fail.
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Originally posted by Formula88:

There was one meaning in that post. It referred to O.J. Simpson - by name. You saw "black man" and decided it MUST mean Obama.



There was one meaning in the post, but it was INTENTIONALLY worded in a way to try to induce you to come to a different meaning. That is what made it clever.

He didn't just see "black man". There were many other clues that made it seem like it would be Obama.

The timing of this leads people to go to what is on most people's minds. Obama. Not OJ. So of course the mind would run to Obama first.
Many of us skim the posts for the sake of time, trying to get the general jist and not trying to pour over every detail with a fine tooth comb.

So you can say, "You fail."

Just as valid to say, "Gotcha. I INTENDED to try to mislead you unless you paid a lot of careful attention, and it succeeded."

I took the whole thing as kind of fun, originally. Kind of laughed at myself. Ha. Fell for it. If things are going to get testy here, then not so fun anymore.
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Originally posted by frontal lobe:

Just as valid to say, "Gotcha. I INTENDED to try to mislead you unless you paid a lot of careful attention, and it succeeded."



Exactly, that's why I said:

 
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I think its less of an example of who can or cannot read, as much as who does or does not let their perception color their reading...



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