|Originally posted by Pyrthian:|
so, going by this, the Eskimo's & Aztecs have a chance! yay Eskimo's!
live a good clean Eskimo life, and you get to go to Eskimo heavan. good for them.
and in fact, this means all good people, chruchy or not, are fine.
and all bad people, churchy or not, are not so fine.
and, the best part of all - you cant buy your way in, no matter what the church says.
Well, you are right about the "churchy" part. That doesn't enter into the equation.
Unfortunately, there is this verse:
Revelations 21:8But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Somewhere in that list, everyone would fall. One or more categories. Doesn't really matter after you fall into one, whether it is just that one or all.
Romans 3:9What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
10As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
12They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Eskimos and Aztecs fall into the Gentile category. Plus they almost certainly fall into the unbeliever and idolater category, and liar category.
The context in these verses, and repeated throughout the Bible over and over, is that no one is "good", as in "good-enough-to-qualify-for-heaven-based-on-their-works". It isn't saying some people aren't "good-er" than others. That is obvious. Just saying that the very nicest person that you can think of right now, when they are being judged according to their works, isn't going to qualify based on the good things they have done.
But you are right when you say you can't buy your way in, no matter what the church says. The Bible does say that you can be GIVEN your way in, though. That is why the Messiah came. To buy your way in for you, and then give it to you, IF you will give him permission to do that.
So, again, very interesting thread. But the Eskimos and Aztecs--well, they still are right where you wondered at the beginning of the thread.
There have been some very interesting questions and good viewpoints brought up by many in this thread. Yet again I will say that I am not TELLING anyone whether or not to believe the Bible. What I am pointing out is that the Bible is a large book that takes a long time to read through. But it is important to read through (assuming someone cares what it says) because if there is possible ambiguity in one isolated section about what it means, that ambiguity goes away completely when you read the whole thing and take it in its entire context.