I had a really nice time here on PFF, but it is time I went back to what I did when the forum first started and before I decided to join. I will become a lurker and only visit from time to time to see what's new and how all are doing. I don't think I will post in any of the topics here anymore, so please don't PM me as I will not be looking at my PMs anymore. I would like to thank Cliff for allowing me to be a post whore the five years I have been on his forum. I hope I was more of a help than a hindrance to everyone here. I also would like to tell all the people I have have met in person and on the forum that it was a real honor to make your acquaintance. maybe I will see some of you in one of the Fiero shows in the NE. I will not be going away from Fieros, I just feel it is time to step away from PFF for now. May God or whoever you believe in or not take good care of you all. Goodbye. Avengador1
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lurker Member
Posts: 12351 From: salisbury nc usa Registered: Feb 2002
Man, for me personally, this is a hard pill to swallow, at this time. I hope in no way I have caused you any static. I wish you would reconsider, but I guess I will just have to take faith in your desision to do whats best for you, at this time. Good luck in your future endeviors.
No offense intended to anyone, but why do people feel it necessary to post goodbye threads? I mean if I decided to stop posting and become a lurker, I'd PM or email those that I consider forum friends to let them know... The "I am leaving threads" seem to be a cry for sympathy, or maybe an attempt to get a bunch of "please don't go" responses.
Your serious right? You're going to be missed around here, so good luck and best wishes. I've always got along well with you, helped you in Tech on occassion and laughed at some of your posts. If this is what you want, then that's great for you.
Now with that being said, you seem to have said goodbye before and decided to stage a glorious comeback announcing "I'm Back" a week after you left. Even though I'm a friend, I just don't know if I can take this seriously, time will tell.
Take care.
------------------ jetman Silver 86 SE 2M6 4-speed, with "check wallet light"
Seems as if a lot of the "old familiars" are leaving lately. I think it's a shame. I miss the old days of lurking and reading the many posts by people now long gone. The forum will always be here (right Cliff?), so you are always welcome to come back.
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Formula88 Member
Posts: 53788 From: Raleigh NC Registered: Jan 2001
A lot of the old timers are leaving or lurking more. Many of them are getting tired of how things have progressed on the forum. Too many people walking around with a chip on their shoulder wanting to start trouble at the drop of a hat. I guess some change is going to happen as time passes and the long time members who leave will be replaced with newbies who can come in and ask all the same questions that were answered time and time again.
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fierobear Member
Posts: 27079 From: Safe in the Carolinas Registered: Aug 2000
He's leaving because he does not condone with the way I run this forum (well, join the club).
Some time ago, he posted a message that he took over fiero.com. I closed that thread because the "old management" of fiero.com (since he's considering himself the "new management") has been as anti-PFF as can be (Zonyl, Stimpy, et al). He then opened another thread, fully aware that I would not apreciate that. That pissed me off. The result was we exchanged some words over Private Messaging. He promised he would not mention fiero.com here anymore.
Yesterday (or the day before - can't remember) I receive a few emails from people he had been plugging his site through PFF chat. So I sent him another PM asking why he was doing so (my PM was a single sentence: "Why am I getting complaints from people that you are plugging your forum on my chat?"). I receive a long, long reply with (among other things) he did not consider the PFF chat part of PFF, and that he wasn't plugging his forum at all. He continues with stuff like how I don't allow any mention of other forums (which is nonsense, just do a search) and that I feel threathened by other forums. So my reply is along the line of that I don't care about other forums (even though my personal believe is that more forums means splitting up the community) I just hate it when people are using PFF as their personal advertising space for plugging something that is essentially the same as PFF.
Long story short: drama, drama, drama, yadah, yadah, dramatic exit, curtains, applause.
Or something like that.
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Boondawg Member
Posts: 38235 From: Displaced Alaskan Registered: Jun 2003
A lot of the old timers are leaving or lurking more. Many of them are getting tired of how things have progressed on the forum. Too many people walking around with a chip on their shoulder wanting to start trouble at the drop of a hat. I guess some change is going to happen as time passes and the long time members who leave will be replaced with newbies who can come in and ask all the same questions that were answered time and time again.
Forums are just like everything else in life. People come, people go, some come back, some stay away. I don't think it's a reflection of the forum, it's just how things are.
No, that was a serious question. You can do whatever you want with whomever you want on the forum, obviously, I was just curious, thats all. I don't see how it's detrimental to anything.
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Gokart Member
Posts: 4635 From: Mashpee, Ma. USA Registered: May 99
No, that was a serious question. You can do whatever you want with whomever you want on the forum, obviously, I was just curious, thats all. I don't see how it's detrimental to anything.
He already explained it.
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Originally Posted by Cliff Pennock: Some time ago, he posted a message that he took over fiero.com. I closed that thread because the "old management" of fiero.com (since he's considering himself the "new management") has been as anti-PFF as can be (Zonyl, Stimpy, et al).
He didn't want to link to a site that openly flamed this site. If you had a website about you or your car, would you allow links to be posted on your site that lead to 'his car sucks, he's a jerk' sites? Management is different now (and there's actually some useful info over there now instead of constant childish bickering and namecalling) but going behind his back and plugging it in chat when he agreed not to advertise it here, was definately grounds to send him a PM asking why.
He came back into chat last night and started bitching about it, and how he might not be here any longer, and after me and another member just ignored him and continued with our conversation (fixing the AC systems in our cars) he he got pissy and left. Apparently he wanted to hear, "Oh poor Avengador, we feel so sorry for you, it's not fair!" or something to that effect.
Originally posted by JohnnyK: You got angry at him for plugging another fiero forum on your forum? I don't see why that would anger you.
Can I try to explain this? You host a party at your house, really putting a lot of effort into it, and people come. Everyone comes to your house, take advantage of your hospitality and then start inviting people to their house where they talk bad about you. A lot. And your guests who happen to like being at your house because they don't like the other people's party. Why would anyone appreciate those people coming back to their house? How long should someone put up with it? Don't they have a right so express how they feel? At least certain people have the decency to leave, even though they feel the need to announce it. If you leave and people miss you, then you can get a good feeling about yourself. Don't beg for it, it's sad.
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Originally posted by Cliff Pennock, WHOSE HOUSE THIS IS:
No matter what I say or do, you will call me a blazing idiot on other forums anyway.
I mean, that's the harshest thing Cliff will say? Do you know what kind of juvenile crap goes on 'over there'?
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Originally posted by ryan.hess:
The way I see it, the different fiero forums are like different flavors of ice cream.
Some people like pistachio ice cream, some people can't stand the nuts. ( )
Ya know, I don't mind the nuts occasionally, as long as they know their place. I don't know how anyone got the idea this Forum just magically appeared out of the ether at no cost to anyone. Cliff set it up and maintains it for free, and rarely does he ask for donations, which everyone should feel compelled to contribute whom has gotten hard to find parts at bargan prices, or that all-important bit of tech advice that allowed them to keep their Fiero going another year. They should change the name of the 'other' foum to the Ungrateful Freeloading Backstabbing Smacktalkers.
....and talk about this thread will top their chat. Pathetic.
Originally posted by Stimpy: posted 11-27-2004 09:04 PM Ohh, please don't go, you are such a valued and respected member and everyone would miss your reposts of aincient chain emails disguised as inciteful political commentary and witty repartee! Not to mention, who will lead us in banning all those nasty trolls? Oh my I think I'm tearing up...
Oh wait. That's right. I don't care. Bye.
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USFiero Member
Posts: 4873 From: Everywhere and Middle of Nowhere Registered: Mar 2002
Originally posted by USFiero: The other forum should be called.....
Oh, and for the record, I was referring to RFT. I had registered for fiero~dot~com a while back, and it vanished, redirecting me to RFT... so it'll take a while for me to develop trust anywhere else.
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Jun 19th, 2006
ZeroC Member
Posts: 1664 From: Chilliwack,BC,Canada Registered: Jan 2003
The forum is not what it was, even just 6 years ago, the forum was more a place OT hang out with friends and bullshit, shoot the crap and talk. Now it is a relentless place that See's more fighting and arguing. Usually from the same 10 or so people starting crap.
Someone asked once, What am I not allowed to call bullshit on something I think to be a stretch? The answer is No, if people don't care if it is true, about someones car, yet it makes them feel good. Then drop it.
If someone wants to have a green car with a 10ft wing and a 400hp stock V8 then let it be.
However now, you see more flame wars than you do helpful threads.
I spend more time on local forums now with people that have actually been in my car and or seen it run around. Rather than here were the same few people love to toss insults around.
Don't get me wrong there are a few people that if needed a place to stay I would gladly open up, home, garage and help in any way I could.
However others if I heard were out on the street getting pummeled for there rotten behavior and INTERNET crapping of threads. I might be tempted to call the ambulance when it was all said and done. Then turn around and walk away.
You can't always please everyone, but its usually in the best interest to please the good ones.
Sorry to see ya ran off by the red bar brigade.
Maybe I will catch ya on the flip side of the INTERNET.
They have septic tank flavored ice cream? (I couldn't resist)
But it's good!
I LOVE politics...except when it disrupts the lives of good people. Some people are determined to have their say and be convinced that they are right. The problem is that in a democratic society we have to learn to accept things we can't control. I endured 8 year of Clinton because I believe in the system. I didn't go start my own country and call it Toddsterville. It get's rather irritating to have other people essentially do that in cyberspace. PFF has endured for 7 years because it is highly democratic in it's operation and even if Cliff is technically lord and master, he's never been unopened to new ideas, input or constructive criticism.
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rogergarrison Member
Posts: 49601 From: A Western Caribbean Island/ Columbus, Ohio Registered: Apr 99
I have no problem with the forum and have found it extremely useful. Its like anything else in life , you have the good and the bad. I use the good and just disgard the bad....simple as that. Take what you need and leave the rest, I only hope I give back as much as I take !!
Thanks Cliff for the years of hard work, the forum has saved me many hours of frustration as well as helped save me a ton of money by teaching me how to do things myself. Regardless of who and how hard they try there will never be another Fiero forum like this one.
That's what I like about the Forum, it's so very well disciplined. Political discussions stay in O/T, and are almost always properly marked so that people who don't want to see them don't have to. Of all the forums I've seen where free-ranging and open conversations are even allowed, PFF takes first, second, and third prize for being easy and pleasant to visit.
And it's family-safe too...
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Gridlock Member
Posts: 2874 From: New Westminster, BC Canada Registered: Apr 2002
Originally posted by Capt Fiero: Sorry to see ya ran off by the red bar brigade. .
Sorry..I must disagree. He was not run off by the red bar brigade...he ran off because he is a tool.
EVERY goodbye thread has a story, and I am glad that Cliff posted it. You didn't get along with someone, or someone doesn't like you or you want to bash it on another forum....blah blah blah.
He wants a forum where everyone agrees with him. Shocking that he needs to build it for that to happen.
Everyone that has complaints that the forum isn't as good as it used to be forgets that it started as 1 person, and existed as 100 for a long time. Of course it was peacful. There are 1000's of active members and its going to change because of that.
I think new blood is good and my request for change woudl be for people to read and post insightful retorts instead of beating the crap out of people that are "wrong" because they have a different view point.
...and I'm sorry, but flamewars and the internet go together like cheap wine and unplanned pregnancy.
Oh..and Capt..this wasn't directed at you Your one little statement got a ball rolling.
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GT86 Member
Posts: 5203 From: Glendale, AZ Registered: Mar 2003
Everyone that has complaints that the forum isn't as good as it used to be forgets that it started as 1 person, and existed as 100 for a long time. Of course it was peacful. There are 1000's of active members and its going to change because of that.
I think new blood is good and my request for change woudl be for people to read and post insightful retorts instead of beating the crap out of people that are "wrong" because they have a different view point.
...and I'm sorry, but flamewars and the internet go together like cheap wine and unplanned pregnancy.
Agreed, fresh blood is what keeps a forum (or anything else) from becoming a stale relic.
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Jun 20th, 2006
MiZer Member
Posts: 1673 From: Chilliwack, B.C. Canada Registered: Jun 2003
.them are big Numbers ..Take Care avengador1 
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