The Word of God quiz! I took it and the answers opened my eyes. Makes you really think about the nature of religion.

http://www.ffrf.org/quiz/bquiz.php

Got 14 right.

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I looked it over. Was pretty much what I was expecting and didn't waste any more time. I know what I believe and that's all that matters.

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quote Freedom From Religion Foundation

many of the answers are wrong, and many of the Q&A pairs are deliberately misleading

Q. What do you really know about the bible?

A. Enough to recognized a thinly vailed attack on christianity and Judaism when I see one.

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quote Originally posted by Rainman: I looked it over. Was pretty much what I was expecting and didn't waste any more time. I know what I believe and that's all that matters.

What did you expect? A site that pulled out only the most violent excerpts from the Bible about punishments and practices that are clearly out of date with today's world?

Ok. But if the Bible is the Word of God and is infallable, it should be true and accurate for all times, right? All of it, not just certain passages.

I don't mean this to start an argument, but seriously, how do you reconcile the violent parts of the Bible with what you believe? "I know what I beleive and that's all that matters" suggest you don't even need the Bible to tell you what you believe, because you know what you believe.

Now, I didn't reference all the quotes from the site to verify if they are accurate. If they are not, my apologies and that obviously invalidates the entire argument.

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I see that a lot of the answers have biblical references. As with Christianity being able to twist the words for the particular belief of the day, I'm sure the same point can be made here. Interpretation is different among everyone however, I can say this...these answers DO have biblical references. Just as you would use a biblical reference to back your points. So, who is wrong?

quote Originally posted by Formula88: "I know what I beleive and that's all that matters" suggest you don't even need the Bible to tell you what you believe, because you know what you believe.

I know what my bible says and I believe it. There have been many interpretations and revisions/language updates of the bible over the centuries. They pick and choose interpreations/passages that fit their agenda and even misenterpret/misrepresent those passages. I don't debate religion or defend my choice to practice what I choose.

quote Ok. But if the Bible is the Word of God and is infallable, it should be true and accurate for all times, right? All of it, not just certain passages.

The Bible was written by people. It is a basis to be used for teaching, prophesy and conduct and very open to interpertation. I don't consider it or anything else written by man to be infallible, as we are all imperfect and fall short of the glory of God.

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quote Originally posted by Rainman: I looked it over. Was pretty much what I was expecting and didn't waste any more time. I know what I believe and that's all that matters.

I feel the same thing about going to church and listening to religious reteric!

quote Originally posted by FieroOilAnalyst: I see that a lot of the answers have biblical references.

the answers have biblical references, but not the questions - the questions are contrived.

Q: what should all christains do with a rope?
A: Judas took a rope and hanged himself

the 'test' is a downright childish attempt to attack the bible.

quote Originally posted by Rainman: I know what my bible says and I believe it. There have been many interpretations and revisions/language updates of the bible over the centuries. They pick and choose interpreations/passages that fit their agenda and even misenterpret/misrepresent those passages. I don't debate religion or defend my choice to practice what I choose.

Thank you for the answer. I really wasn't trying to start an argument.
I have read the Bible, typically the King James version, and there are accounts of violence being condoned that would be considered reprehensible today. I chalk it up to the changing times. I don't know that various translations would change the story much. Certainly those times were more violent than today in many ways, and I'm sure some translations are not as accurate as they might be.

I guess that's why biblical scholars haven't been put out of business yet. It's a neverending quest for understanding.

quote Originally posted by Formula88: Ok. But if the Bible is the Word of God and is infallable, it should be true and accurate for all times, right? All of it, not just certain passages.

you know better than this. Many of the Mosaic laws that are mocked by this 'test' only applied to the hebrews

and that only after they agreed to be Gods chosen people, and they agreed to do "whatever God instructed them".

is it wrong to stone a witch? if the entire nation of Israel agreed to only serve God, to only to walk in his ways, then why would any of their people turn to witchcraft? That would be an open rebellion against God

no where did it say for them to form expeditions and to search the whole world for witches, stoneing them where ever they are found

and nowhere is their any account of a jewish person actually BEING stoned as a witch, in the entire old testiment.

Does it still apply? yes? if you claim to follow the jewish relgion, then practicing witchcraft is a capitol crime - why would any person think they can do both, esp when the penalty is clearly defined?

quote Originally posted by Ken Wittlief: you know better than this. Many of the Mosaic laws that are mocked by this 'test' only applied to the hebrews and that only after they agreed to be Gods chosen people, and they agreed to do "whatever God instructed them". is it wrong to stone a witch? if the entire nation of Israel agreed to only serve God, to only to walk in his ways, then why would any of their people turn to witchcraft? That would be an open rebellion against God no where did it say for them to form expeditions and to search the whole world for witches, stoneing them where ever they are found and nowhere is their any account of a jewish person actually BEING stoned as a witch, in the entire old testiment. Does it still apply? yes? if you claim to follow the jewish relgion, then practicing witchcraft is a capitol crime - why would any person think they can do both, esp when the penalty is clearly defined?

People have picked and choose what they want out of the Bible. People are saying "Oh! They are only saying the most violent part of the bible" or "We only follow the New Testament"

Really? The evangelicals say that homosexuality is wrong by quoting from Leviticus, yet the same book also says stone your kids to death if they dishonor you. People quote Genisis for the creation of the world, yet they are suppose to disregard the "Old Testament" !

It's confusing! It's called selective transcription. The Church is only trying to gain power, just like the corporations, government, and the peasants of this world. The Bible is just a selective works of authors that people say is the word of god.

Oh! By the way! Did you take the test? Or how about the other quiz they had. That was interesting too.

I am fairly confident that the "head in the sand" spiritulasts took the quiz and did poorly.
Like the good Baptists who regularly bought liquor at my drive thru window so they could say they never entered a liquor store, they of course, will never admit it.
Let alone post their scores.

This is one of those trick quizzes,right? Where the more you get right, the wronger you are, right? Wrong?

Don't Pisseth off the Lord, or he wil smite thee.

quote Originally posted by Wichita: Oh! By the way! Did you take the test?

I started to, till I got to the first question that had 4 wrong answers, and realized the real purpose of the quiz

BTW, the penalty for a rebellious son was to take him outside the city walls and hang him from a tree. This penalty is another one that has not been recorded anywhere in the old testiment as actully being carried out

but the nation of Israel DID take Jesus outside the walls of Jeruselum and hang HIM from a tree (a cross made of wood)

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Are you implying that we should NOT take every word literal but we SHOULD assume that the absence of a case means that it DID NOT happen?

quote Originally posted by Ken Wittlief: I started to, till I got to the first question that had 4 wrong answers, and realized the real purpose of the quiz BTW, the penalty for a rebellious son was to take him outside the city walls and hang him from a tree. This penalty is another one that has not been recorded anywhere in the old testiment as actully being carried out but the nation of Israel DID take Jesus outside the walls of Jeruselum and hang HIM from a tree (a cross made of wood)

So when your son is rebellious, you better do the same thing. If you don't, you cannot enter into heaven.

quote Originally posted by Wichita: So when your son is rebellious, you better do the same thing. If you don't, you cannot enter into heaven.

If he has to abide by Old Testament Jewish Law. Ken has said in the past that he's not Jewish, so Jewish law doesn't apply.

quote Originally posted by Formula88: If he has to abide by Old Testament Jewish Law. Ken has said in the past that he's not Jewish, so Jewish law doesn't apply.

Ummm, wasn't Jesus the King of the Jews?

quote Originally posted by Formula88: If he has to abide by Old Testament Jewish Law. Ken has said in the past that he's not Jewish, so Jewish law doesn't apply.

Then why the Christans use the Old Testament to further their agenda?

quote Originally posted by Wichita: Then why the Christans use the Old Testament to further their agenda?

Because parts of it suit them just fine...but only when they need to and only when they deem it appropriate. Depends on the interpretation of the day.

Damn, I only got 13 out of 50 right. I guess I'm not much of a biblical scholar

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No, because when Christ came the rules changed. Mark 16:15-16 "15He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation. 16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. "

All you need do to be saved is BELIEVE AND BE BAPTIZED. Nothing more, nothing less. BECAUSE you Believe, you strive to live a life pleasing to God, but no earthly actions will pave your way to heaven. Once Christ died for our sins, all the rules changed for mankind.

You can accept that, or not, your choice. THIS is the matter of faith.

John Stricker

PS: Forgot to say that I got 31 out of 50, but many of them I simply picked the ones that would portray the Bible in the poorest light, even though the answers THEY chose were incorrect of taken out of context. If you'd like to discuss which ones, that could take a long, LONG time.

quote Originally posted by FieroOilAnalyst: Because parts of it suit them just fine...but only when they need to and only when they deem it appropriate. Depends on the interpretation of the day.

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quote Originally posted by jstricker: No, because when Christ came the rules changed. Mark 16:15-16 "15He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation. 16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. " All you need do to be saved is BELIEVE AND BE BAPTIZED. Nothing more, nothing less. BECAUSE you Believe, you strive to live a life pleasing to God, but no earthly actions will pave your way to heaven. Once Christ died for our sins, all the rules changed for mankind. You can accept that, or not, your choice. THIS is the matter of faith. John Stricker PS: Forgot to say that I got 31 out of 50, but many of them I simply picked the ones that would portray the Bible in the poorest light, even though the answers THEY chose were incorrect of taken out of context. If you'd like to discuss which ones, that could take a long, LONG time.

Why did God change the rules of the game half way through human civilization?

the rules were not changed. Adam rebelled against God, died spiritually, and took down the entire human race with him.

no man has been able to 'obey the rules' listed in the mosiac laws. From the time of Moses until Jesus people had to observe temple rituals to have their sins covered - each one, each time they sinned - it was an impossible task

the purpose of the law was to demonstrate that no human could be holy by themselves - no human could earn their way to be reconciled to God.

If God had left it at that, then all of humanity would be seperated from God forever. But God had a plan, and you know the rest of it already. Jesus paid the price to redeem us, to allow us to be reconciled with our creator.

and allowed us to enter into a relationship where our sins and mistakes are not held against us.

It totally amazes me that so few people have a clear understanding of what christainity is all about, or any real knowledge of the relationship that exists right now between humanity and our creator.

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quote Originally posted by Ken Wittlief: the rules were not changed. Adam rebelled against God, died spiritually, and took down the entire human race with him. no man has been able to 'obey the rules' listed in the mosiac laws. From the time of Moses until Jesus people had to observe temple rituals to have their sins covered - each one, each time they sinned - it was an impossible task the purpose of the law was to demonstrate that no human could be holy by themselves If God had left it at that, then all of humanity would be seperated from God forever. But God had a plan, and you know the rest of it already. Jesus paid the price to redeem us, to allow us to be reconciled with our creator. and allowed us to enter into a relationship where our sins and mistakes are not held against us. It totally amazes me that so few people have a clear understanding of what christainity is all about, or any real knowledge of the relationship that exists right now between humanity and our creator.

If you have high speed Internet. Listen to this program.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4684129

Don't worry! It is not anti-christian. But I found it interesting and thinking about getting the book.

quote Originally posted by Ken Wittlief: It totally amazes me that so few people have a clear understanding of what christainity is all about, or any real knowledge of the relationship that exists right now between humanity and our creator.

It shouldn't. It does get confusing at times. Jesus was a Jew, and Christians follow Jesus' teachings, but have different rules than Judiasm. It's simple once you understand your own faith, but to someone on the outside looking in, there seems to be a lot of conflicting info.

christains dont have different laws- under the mosaic laws christains are guilty and cannot redeem themselves. The jewish people are in the same situation, along with everyone else.

Please show me any place in the mosaic laws where is says "if you commit this sin you will burn in hell forever" ?

its not in there.

where does it say "if you follow these commandments your spirit will be reborn" ?

its not in there - we cannot undo the fall of man caused by Adam, no matter what we do on our own

only God could allow our spirits to be reborn - born again - and that is a gift - it is grace and mercy - not something we earn by being super-good all the time.

quote Originally posted by Ken Wittlief: christains dont have different laws- under the mosaic laws christains are guilty and cannot redeem themselves. The jewish people are in the same situation, along with everyone else. Please show me any place in the mosaic laws where is says "if you commit this sin you will burn in hell forever" ? its not in there. where does it say "if you follow these commandments your spirit will be reborn" ? its not in there - we cannot undo the fall of man caused by Adam, no matter what we do on our own only God could allow our spirits to be reborn - born again - and that is a gift - it is grace and mercy - not something we earn by being super-good all the time.

So as far as you are concerned...a person that believes in God and is "born again", yet still commits acts of sin has more of a chance of enternal salvation over that person that is a non christian but helps his/her neighbor and is a kind gentle person. Maybe your version of enternal salvation but I am sure that the genuinely kind person's soul will be at a higher level of peace. After all, isnt' that what we are all ultimately out for? Eternal peace. Is it not possible that each person's version of peace may be different?

helping your neighbor or your grandmother and being a gentle person, what is that? trying to earn your way into heaven?

that is what the mosaic laws proved to us, you cant earn your way into Gods good graces - no one can - if you get what you deserve you will be separated from God forever

just like you cant undo a murder conviction and death sentace by promising to be good for the rest of your life

but that is not even the issue - the reconcilation with your creator only requires one thing, that you WANT to be reconciled

it doesnt matter what type of person you have been in the past - its not about YOU - its about God - its about you wanting to be with God for eternity

look at some of the posters in this thread - many people laugh at the idea that God even exists

if you dont seek out the knowledge and understanding of your relationship with your creator during this life, if you show no interest in having any type of relationship with God during this life, then why would you expect to have a relationship with Him after this short life is over?

quote Originally posted by Wichita: I feel the same thing about going to church and listening to religious reteric!

wow,
Sedgwick county has a law that requires you to go to church?

quote Originally posted by Ken Wittlief: christains dont have different laws-

Perhaps "law" wasn't the correct word. Judiasm and Christianity have differing teachings. Hanukkah, Yom Kippur, these are Jewish holidays not observed by Christian religions. Jesus was a prophet, not necessarily the son of God, in Judiasm. There are large differences between the religions, especially considering they both follow the same saviour.

quote Originally posted by trailboss: wow, Sedgwick county has a law that requires you to go to church?

really? You have a link to that? I'm surprised! The history around here will say other wise. This area was a gun slinging cattle town, were they had whore houses, gambling, and shoot outs on the street! Maybe there is an old law that try to combat it. But I would be very interested about that law. I would like to post it on my blog!

I checked the site out;
radical feminists, however they don't look very feminine..

Michael Newdow..

The founder admitted that Ingersoll and Paine were instrumental in his formation...

A pretty miserable lot indeed....

quote Originally posted by Formula88: Perhaps "law" wasn't the correct word. Judiasm and Christianity have differing teachings. Hanukkah, Yom Kippur, these are Jewish holidays not observed by Christian religions. Jesus was a prophet, not necessarily the son of God, in Judiasm. There are large differences between the religions, especially considering they both follow the same saviour.

Jesus was a Jew?
To tell you the truth I am surprised

quote Originally posted by Ken Wittlief: the answers have biblical references, but not the questions - the questions are contrived. Q: what should all christains do with a rope? A: Judas took a rope and hanged himself the 'test' is a downright childish attempt to attack the bible.

Amen, bro'. You could see what the test is trying to accomplish very quickly. This so-called "test" intrigued me in that I wanted to see how they were going to twist the Bible around one more time. Pretty weak attempt if that is the best they can come up with.

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