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10:20 AM Kerrville city limits
Working in my shed, listening to my music from my factory stock truck radio. Music venue, progressive country.
A stranger appears and wants to know what's up with the music. I tell him I am listening to it. He tells me he is trying to enjoy his patio and it is bothering him. I tell him "tough ! Get used to it as the weather is getting warmer and I like music". He tells me that "we will see about that and calls the LAW. Fine by me, it is not loud.
So Deputy Dic......oops, city jurisdiction, Officer Ovaries ( )

Wait, hit the wrong button.
RANT not over !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hurry up!
I can't wait!

I love these, Cliff!

I’m waiting in suspense over here.

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On this weeks episode of "Clifford & The Man"......................

Anybody coming around with the popcorn in this commercial break? Agatha Christie, eat yer heart out...learn from the Master of Suspense!!! !!!!

They may have taken him away!

Ha!! Forget the popcorn...let's make it a three course steak dinner, with waffles and flapjacks...I think we have the time!!
Hope you are OK cliffw..
fierofetish

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RESPONSIBILITY WILL SOLVE EVERYTHING.USE IT ALL THE TIME !!!!.

So Officer Overies comes by and tells me it is too loud. I tell him I do not believe it is. He tells me it is bothering a neighbor of mine. I stress I wish to abide by the law, what is the law. He tellls me he does not need to come over with a decible meter, that if he gets a complaint, it is too loud. I suggest that the law is to protect everyone and just because it is bothering him should not mean I am disobeying the law.
My adrennaline was pumping. I was gonna tell him to ticket me. I still might make them ticket me when I calm down and have my ducks lined up. I am sure I will . I had my decible meter on and reading but did not know the local ordinance. As I said, he said he did not need one.
So, with great disgruntlement, I ask what is an acceptable volume. He could not tell me so I just turn it off.
I call the city police dept. and am told that the volume level is 80 decibles. I ask, "don't you mean 85 decibles" ? Was told "oh yeah, right". I explained the situation but the duty officer could not comment and said he did not want to argue with me. I told him "fine by me, let me talk to your supervisor". As luck would have it, they are all at a funeral.
I am so mad. frackin mad.
I have fought this fight before. I should not have to pay money to defend my rights. That is why my taxes support a police force. To enforce laws, not make them. I am up for this fight.

So, I can not play my music. Because...........? Neighbor's peace is not to his liking ??? Now mine is not either. It just so happened I needed to let my mower run and run and run. I am getting old gas out of it . Next I will needle gun my ramp trailer

Mark my words......I will be going to court My music will play. As loud as the law allows.
FieroRumor, I never did get the "get out of jail free" card. Tracking # ?

Marriage test. Wifey is gonna be none too happy. But she loves me. For how long, I am not sure.

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Thanks for being on the frontlines, fighting for personal rights Cliff.
And "By The Book", too!

And speaking of decible meters, here's my story for the week:

We get a fire inspection at work by the fire department.
They want us to upgrade our exit signs.
We call the sign company to install new ones.
They install a new type that is charged by the surrounding light.
In the dark, they glow for 2 hours.
On the sign it says:

"Must have 5 foot/candlepower of Incadessant unfiltered light."

The Fire inspector comes back and says, "I don't know if those are good enough."
I say, "Why not?"
He says, "How do I know those are recieving 5 candlepower?"
I say, "The installer said they were."
He said, "You need to go buy a light meter and check them."
I said, "Don't you guys use a light meter to make sure they are correct?"
He said, "No. We don't do that."
I said, "Well, whose job is it to make sure they are up to code?"
He said, "I don't know. I'll take the sign to my Chief, and see what he says."

He comes back and said:
"The Chief said they Must have 5 foot/candlepower of Incadessant unfiltered light."
I said, "How do we know they DON'T have 5 foot/candlepower of Incadessant unfiltered light."
He said, "Well we don't. You need to check them with a light meter."
"Call me when you are done checking them, and i will confurm it."

So we call the Sign Company.
They say, "They Must have 5 foot/candlepower of Incadessant unfiltered light."
I say, "Do they?"
They say, "Did we install them by any lighting?"
I say, "Yes."
They say, "Well then, they SHOULD have 5 foot/candle power getting to them."
I say, "Yea, but the floresant lighting has lighting panals over them. Isn't that filtered light?"
They say, "That shouldn't matter."
I say, "Well the fire department isn't sure thats enough light."
They say, "Did they check that?'
I say, "They don't do that."
They say, "Well, we don't either."

And thats where it stands.

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quote Originally posted by cliffw: So, I can not play my music. Because...........? Neighbor's peace is not to his liking ??? Now mine is not either. It just so happened I needed to let my mower run and run and run. I am getting old gas out of it . Next I will needle gun my ramp trailer

Check with your decibel meter when you're playing your music and neighbor complains.

Then, check his volume with the meter next time he's out cutting the grass. Call the police on him because he is disturbing your peace.

quote Originally posted by Boondawg:. I said, "Well, whose job is it to make sure they are up to code?".

Leave me alone Boondawg.......too frickin funny.

The music is on.

quote Originally posted by AndyLPhoto: Check with your decibel meter when you're playing your music and neighbor complains.

I just did. Forty five decibles at the(his) fence.

I am waiting for a ticket.

"Oh, by the way Honey, the police visited me today". She is gonna flip

quote Originally posted by cliffw: I just did. Forty five decibles at the(his) fence.

A weighted, or C weighted? There's another good question to ask the police. hehe

Don't you have some project that requires hours of hammering nails into wood, like a dog house?, but then you probably need a permit to do that one. Your neighbor could have asked a bit nicer. If you aren't breaking the law you don't have any obligation, other than being a good neighbor, to turn down the sound. I would have told him that you guess "please" and "thank you" aren't part of his vocabulary, or not without him saying the majic words, or something to that effect. The I'm not enjoying my patio excuse is not the way to ask a neighbor to turn down the music. He should have come over, introduced himself, and then explain the situation, like "I was really looking fowards to having some quiet time enjoying the nice weather outside on my patio, would you please mind turning your music down a bit, I would really appreciated it, Thank you". He didn't start off on the right foot with you and now he might never be a good neighbor because of this first impression.

quote Originally posted by cliffw: I just did. Forty five decibles at the(his) fence.

That's quieter than a normal conversation.....

You should pick up one of these:

See how he likes 150dB!

quote Originally posted by AndyLPhoto: A weighted, or C weighted? There's another good question to ask the police. hehe

I am "C" weighted, that would be correct right ?
The last jurisdiction in which I played their game, they did not even have one. Officer Overies says he does not have to have one. I know I must go to court.
Sad thing is, they will have an attitude against me. Also, this is gonna cost me Fiero mod money.

Oh, I am on for this fight.

quote Originally posted by Boondawg: "Must have 5 foot/candlepower of Incadessant unfiltered light."

If the signs require incandescent light, the sign company shouldn't be installing them in an office. 99% of all offices only have florescent lighting.

PS. If the fire company can't test them, why don't you just tell them that they comply?

I say that Sunday morning is a good time to cut the lawn, and then follow up with weed eating and edging. That one always seems to get under the skin of those that live presenting their rectum tied in knots first.

As far as Ocifer Ovaries, this one sounds like a court date to me just for the fun of it. So what is the officer going to take to court as evidence? You have a decible meter, he has his guess? Of course I would understand the ordinace exactly before testing my neighbor dick cabeza again.

Good luck and stand your ground aginst morons, whether they be in uniform or just porch sitting jerks. By the way, maybe your neighbor would appreciate some NWA? Sounds like he is old school

quote Originally posted by ryan.hess: That's quieter than a normal conversation..... You should pick up one of these: See how he likes 150dB!

we ran one of those at school this week, they are deffinatly loud. And fun too. You should get one, fire it up, and then stash it underground b4 the cops show up. Have the guy hauled off to a mental institution for insisting you had a running jet engine in your yard when it is so obvious that you dont.

quote Originally posted by Wudman: As far as Ocifer Ovaries, this one sounds like a court date to me just for the fun of it.

Awww, if you really want to have fun, half the fun is getting to court. The other half is after court. They would not even take me to court before, in the other jurisdiction. This time....I will not pay $1800.00 for a lawyer.

quote Originally posted by Wudman: By the way, maybe your neighbor would appreciate some NWA? Sounds like he is old school

Maybe he would. What is a NWA ? I want some.

The music is on.

quote Originally posted by Wudman: I say that Sunday morning is a good time to cut the lawn, and then follow up with weed eating and edging. That one always seems to get under the skin of those that live presenting their rectum tied in knots first.

Haha Yeah I do that to one of my neighbors who sounds just like Cliff's neighbor. I usually weed-eat with the trigger/thottle w/e lol held down at full speed on her side of the yard

Good luck Cliff, you should set up a webcam, or like you said video and post it later this is gonna be great!

cliffw,

You get the benefit of the doubt from me just because you are on the forum.

However, it is a sad reflection on society when two neighbors cannot reach an agreement on something like this and have to drag the police and courts into it. What if even a SMALL fraction of neighbor situations required court mediation?

And you are already planning to intentionally antagonize him, and have others suggesting ways to do it, too. To what end? You can prove you are right, and show him a thing or two in the process. OK. It made you feel better, but has it made the situation better?

I'm not saying you are not in the right here. I am suggesting that you can be a bigger and better man than that and in the process the outcome might be even better for you. I'm not guaranteeing it. But I haven't seen you even try it.

Well I absolutely guarantee that if you bring up some NWA, pc for Negros With Attitudes...you will jabbing a hot salted stick into the situation, not smoothing it over with a greater appreciation of the sanctity of your neighbors back porch.

quote Originally posted by frontal lobe: cliffw, You get the benefit of the doubt from me just because you are on the forum. However, it is a sad reflection on society when two neighbors cannot reach an agreement on something like this and have to drag the police and courts into it. What if even a SMALL fraction of neighbor situations required court mediation? And you are already planning to intentionally antagonize him, and have others suggesting ways to do it, too. To what end? You can prove you are right, and show him a thing or two in the process. OK. It made you feel better, but has it made the situation better? I'm not saying you are not in the right here. I am suggesting that you can be a bigger and better man than that and in the process the outcome might be even better for you. I'm not guaranteeing it. But I haven't seen you even try it.

Thank you. That I am worthy of the benifit of the doubt. I am.
No, I do not wish to antagonize, that is beyond me.
My intention is to hit back fast, hard, and with as much legal force as I can.
I own (am buying) my house. I deserve property rightss. As defined by the law.

My next door neighbor just came over. He wanted to know what was up as he saw the law come over. He himself was working outside (a 64 year old man) at the time, 10:00 somthing in the morning. He is siding with me, whatever.

I will give you the shirt off my back, but do not try to take it from me.

frontal lobe, thank uou for your post. I am a little hot.

quote Originally posted by cliffw: How much ?

About a grand

I am working it. Wifey is of course, pissed. Law is too.
Time to flush the toilet.

I think the standard for Db readings is 1 foot from whatever is making the sound... not the neighbors fence. Check there and if your good... make a note, get a witness, maybe make a witness mark on the radio and videotape it playing with the DB meter at the correct distance from the speaker. Then screw getting a lawyer unless your going to sue the police for harrassment or something... you would have the evidence and they have nothing.

The guys with the subs rattling windows 2 miles away we whine about don't get their measurements taken at 2 miles away... so if you are cranking it a bit much (easy enough to check as mentioned above), just apologize and turn it down a bit.

Hear (pun!) they don't use Db for the tickets on car radios... if you can hear it from 50 feet away, it's to loud. They only use that for enforcement on the strip at the waterfront as far as I know.

It is Wifey's wish..............................

I will let her speak for herself.

Hi guys! My name is Cindi, aka, "mouth that runs like a fast river.", aka, "wifey".

I would like to ask that you to help me out. cliffw is a very headstrong person and this one subject is a very sore one for him. It doesn't take much for him to get way out of contrrol and unreasonable about this issue as he feels his rights have been violated in the past (in a different county). While he and I don't agree on everything concerning music and how it relates to neighbors, we do agree that the law here states an officer can ask you to turn down a noise that exceeds 85 decibles. Whether you believe a person has the right to exercize their right regardless of who it bothers is where we part ways. I enjoy music and I even enjoy cranking it up on a good song occassionally but not at the discomfort of my neighbor. But the real issue with him and I is this. WE CANNOT AFFORD ANY MORE TROUBLE. Even if he is in the right.

So please don't egg him on unless you are willing to come and stand with him in Kerrville, TX. Be prepared to at the very least get a citation and quite possibly arrested and spend the night in jail. In my opinion, there is no music in the world worth that.

Like I said before........... we have been here and done this and once this starts, it never ends. You become afraid to leave your dog outside in the yard, neighbors threaten and even get in your yard and attempt to beat you up and you can even get your house burned down along with your stereo and the law officers keep coming and coming even though the district attorney can't even proscecute the case. IT NEVER ENDS! I desire and am praying this does not start over again.

Thanks for your support!
Cindi

quote FieroRumor, I never did get the "get out of jail free" card. Tracking # ?

Sorry dude, it's a fake. I'm in a jail, the bars are mental. The card was imaginary, and I am tired to by "witty".

Dang, how loud were you playing it? Around here, they have laws depending on the Db level, and time of day... (you need a permit to play loud music) It sucks having neighbors that get all in yer face.

Good luck with your latest crusade.

-FieroRumor *shuts down his brain*

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Sorry, but I have to go wtih the neighbor. Buying your own house or not - they are doing the same thing, so don't they deserve the same respect for their property that you are seeking? I went through this with my previous neighbors, and again now with the people that moved into the same house. I live in military housing, side by side duplexes. They have their stereo, surround sound, tv, whatever, against the wall that is also my wall. When there stereo is so loud that I can't hear my own TV or computer in my own house, it's too loud. I called security - they didn't like it, but I didn't like hearing their crap over my own crap. Your neighbor doesn't like to hear your music on his porch - is that so wrong? If he were doing it, and you were trying to just relax on your porch, you surely would have asked him to turn the music down - and if you say you wouldn't, I don't believe you. Right now you would say you wouldn't do that because you're on the other side of the fence, so to speak. Respect your neighbor and your fellow man and just turn the radio down some. It's really not that hard to do, and I'm sure you could still hear it just fine by dropping your volume level by a 1/3.

"Mouth That Runs Like A Fast River", well, she would like to thank y'all. As I do also.
I lost the war.
I surrendered. Well, really, it was a truce.
I worked it out with my neighbor, I think. We will see.

I still have a bone to pick with Officer, city of Kerrville, or as I like to say.....Herrville (wifey).

I've been in a similar situation, and it really depends on how loud the music was when the guy complained.
I had a loud party at my apartment once and the neighbor complained. Fair enough. We were being too loud, and I apologized and we toned it down. BUT, after that, any little sound he heard he filed a complaint about. I had the Police show up for a noise complaint at 3 A.M. because my girlfriend and I were talking. Not arguing - talking. Just normal conversation and normal levels, and in my living room. I had complaints that he could hear me washing my dishes, and that was too loud.

I explained the situation to the apartment manager and asked her to come out and listen when he complains. She did, and then told the guy he was full of it and to chill.

Being considerate of ones neighbors is a good thing, but you shouldn't have to live in total silence just because someone else hates hearing anything that doesn't come from his property. That's why there are dB limits in the laws - because you have to somehow quantify how much is "too much."