There are several of them, And im sure there are a few people who know more about them than I do. Im hoping several people who have researched this will chim in quite hastly...

I am currently in contact with Dott Industries (the group that made 100-150 of these emblems for the prototype 89-90 fiero) Im am in conversation with them about getting another run of these emblems made.

In order for this to work out, I need to contat GM and get permission for this (if the original molds are even able to be used again. this is being looked into)

Im in the process of trying to get in contact with the right people at GM to attempt getting permission for this project.

I know you as well as I probally will guess permission will not be granted for this, but I believe it's worth a shot. I'm gonna try to do my part and grab this ball and run with it. I would like to know from you folks (if the price for these is semi-reasonable) who would want some?

Thank you for your support (before its even given. If I get it)
Also, if you work at GM, see if you could possibly get me contact information for:

Jeff Denison
Jon Albert
Warren Reinecker
J. Michael Losh

Any of these contacts are very valuable to me for this 'hopeful endevor'

EDIT to add pictures:

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Good luck Tim. I'm using the Fiero GT emblem on the left in the bottom pic on my 85GT but I really like that one next to it on the right. For some reason GM has an aversion to releasing the rights to these kind of things though.

Good luck...but I highly doubt you're going to get any kind of help from GM. But, if somehow, you were able to...I'd be interested in one of the Fiero GT ones, if the price was "semi-reasonable"...

i would jump on that so fast heads would spin!

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I'd be interested in one too. I have one of the originals (the pics of the GT emblem are the ones I took of mine), but I'd love to have a repro to actually put on the car.

edit: you should contact hyperv6 on this forum, he's the one who put the time into tracking down the history of these. He's also the one who got the article into the HPP magazine a few months ago.

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Good with talking to Dott as it was said they might still have the tooling. But!

Jon Albert I have heard is gone or retired not quite sure but he is only a designer.

Warren Reinecker Is retired I know for a fact and is no longer at GM in any way.

J. Michael Losh Left GM years ago and has no connection at all to GM

Jeff Dennison just lead me to the right person to speak too to get design info on the parts. He has no direct connection to the Fiero program and today few do. That is why it took me 2 years just to get info on the parts.


You really need GM legal to get a license agreement and written permission. This can be done but at a majorcost your never going to make back on the part. Add to this the cost to make a production run and the cost just grows.

The fact is it wold be more expensive to re make these properly than what the ones who have these paid for them on e bay for the originals. At least in my case I know you could never make them for what I have invested.

I would write GM or e mail them and ask you request be directed to the Legal group that license the rights to thier images. these are the same that approve diecast, t shirts etc. and see what it would cost before anything more is done. Who know's they might go easy on you.

As for the names you listed don't bother as they have nothing to do with this and are either retired or too busey to deal with this kind of request. Theyt just have had nothing to do with the car for years and are only designers except for Losh who was an accountant.

I know it sounds easy but to have these parts remade is like having a 1990 built. It could be done but the cost would excees the value of the part unless GM wanted to make it themselves. For all that would be sold even they would not make much on it.

I wish I could be more help or more positive but reality is not always at the end of the rainbow. This will be a time consuming and expensive road to make this happen. Be prepared to spend thousands and be realistic what people would pay for a reproduction piece so you don't get stuck with them

Dott may be of a help with GM since they deal with them on tradmark items?? Might be the best place to start. Good luck!

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Good luck!

I really like the middle emblem - with the 3D look.

Dave

I would be on that like stink on sheeeeee.... Yea I would buy one or two.

It'll be a long & difficult road to travel - but I say "go for it" - It can't hurt to ask (heck, we've seen the prototype cars - and all it took was patience and some good contacts).

Speaking of good contacts - have you run this by Fred (RAREW66)? He may have some insight into this as well...

ABSOLUTLY AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!! ++++

Any chance of getting a Fiero GTP one like used in the backboard of THIS pic...

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I would try getting in contact with these ppl they had the Fiero Indy badges re made (they should know who to contact

I could make a "knock-off"...



www.AutoBadger.com

quote Originally posted by F-I-E-R-O: I could make a "knock-off"... www.AutoBadger.com

Congrats on the new website. Looks great!

Spanks!

TTT, it'll take some time as you have read, But I'm going to try my best.

Thanks for everyones support. It sound like its gonna be a long tough road. So Im going to put a few productions Im working on into play as fundraisers for this emblem remake (i do believe its gonna be painful to the wallet. But heres the 1st fund raiser, and it beautifys your fiero in the process...

Brushed Stainless Steel Door Sills
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum4/HTML/032304.html
the thread concerning that can be found at that link above of the FS section in the mall...

There wil be more things coming as soon as i can get the space to get working on them.
I will be getting in contact with the folks at Dott Industries, An Im going to try to get those rights as soon as possible (but this may be a timely endevor, so sit tight the best you can)

Thanx again for everyones support.

Heres a Bump for the emblems, hopefully i'll bring you all a few more modifications to the fiero in this process.

I would purchace a few of the GT emblems if you get them to be remade. However, being in the automotive industry, my guess is that the tool is a boat anchor some where on Lake Superior.

See what you can find out, but try to be prepared for disappointment. I wish I could be more helpful.

Paul

quote Originally posted by R Runner: I would purchace a few of the GT emblems if you get them to be remade. However, being in the automotive industry, my guess is that the tool is a boat anchor some where on Lake Superior. See what you can find out, but try to be prepared for disappointment. I wish I could be more helpful. Paul

I am in contact with 2 individuals at Dott Industries about getting permission from GM and their possible assistance with that, and i am left under the imppression so far that they do still have the tooling, but they have to look into wether or not the tooling is still in the condition it can be put through production again or not... Being made 88-89, Im going to assume that its a slim chance its still an operational mold (or whatever the correct name for the tooling is). Im very anxious to hear back from them and see what more information they can provide.

If you might have any more information as to whom may be of any help as far as who i should contact about getting these emblems remade, please let me know as I will contact them and pick their brain for information etc. and find out wether they can help me out or not...

Thanks for the help anyone may be able to provide... right now i need contacts at GM that would help me. I'll be looking into emailling theit legal group that was suggested by scott swisher 'hyperv6' but the more contacts ive got the more strings i can pull in this task to get the emblems re-made.

Keep your fingers crossed folks, I'd really like to keep this good news coming. Hopefully I'll get good news saying the tooling is still operable...

quote Originally posted by 88GTFormula: Hopefully I'll get good news saying the tooling is still operable...

If the molds are still in good shape, that would cut your costs down substantially. If you have to have new molds made, you'd have a much harder time keeping the unit price low enough to sell many of them. Given the fact that these were sample emblems, the molds may not have been made with durability in mind.

I'm thinking your biggest hurdle is going to be getting GM approval. Of course, it doesn't hurt to inquire, but assuming they are willing to grant a license, I have a feeling it's going to cost a fortune. I wish you luck in your quest, I'd really like to have some reproductions. I check ebay pretty regularly to see if more originals show up, but so far, I've just got the one.

I like this one! You can actually tell that the peggy is flyin' AT you..in the regular one, it's a bit hard to tell if he's comin' or going...

good news folks... The molds are stored at Dott (so Im told..)

Heres the reply i got from a gentleman at Dott, talking about a fiero club... I suppose the 12,000 some people on PFF could be considered a club

"Tim, I believe we still have the tooling stored away. I suppose the real question GM will be asking is what are you going to do with the emblems?? If you plan on selling them, I think they will have a problem with that as you are using their tooling for profit. The best bet would be if you have some formalized Fiero club that is recognized at GM. That way you can approach GM as a group as a restoration project or something. I will contact some people I know in the GM styling studio and see if I can find a contact for you. Normally purchasing at GM makes these types of decisions. The buyer for our GM products is stationed out of China. He won't know what a Fiero even is. As far as pricing goes, I am not the person that does the costing, but you could expect to pay a set-up fee of about $350.00 per tool (4) 2 tools per part and somewhere around $10-$15 per part. That is a ball part number based on some service parts we sell. I will see what I can do about getting you a contact."

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Congrats on the progress so far. I never thought they would get back to you this soon.

It looks like your at the mercy of GM now.

Just to give you an idea on colors if your get the go ahead. The GT as pictured above is correct and the only color I have seen. I have heard of a white one that I think Paul told me about at the tech center.

The Standard emblem colors were not set per what I was told but the engineering drawing that GM gave me has the colors of the one below listed on the drawing.



Black red and grey were what they had listed.

You might want to see if you can get GM to list this as a office GM restoration part. it can be used as a alternet replacment emblem since many of the originals are missing.

The mounting pins are the same and these emblems will fit any Fiero nose ever made. They bolt on the stock holes.

I have some back side photos if you want to see what they look like.

Let me know if I can help in anyway. I found a name of the original engineer at Dott but all the people I know of at GM are gone or of little help in this matter.

quote Originally posted by hyperv6: Congrats on the progress so far. I found a name of the original engineer at Dott but all the people I know of at GM are gone or of little help in this matter.

You have a PM, I'll be callig you later this afternoon scott... that or emailing you

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My man at Dott Industries is currently attempting to contact several folks at GM. As soon as he gets any information at all, I will know about it.

Keep hoping for the best.

~Tim

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I'll take 2.

BTW, if you need other pics of one of the originals, let me know.

I really like the black and red one in the close-up and the chrome one on the lower right if that helps, I'd probablby buy one, depending on price of course, nothing too outrageous.

keep the names coming, the more names, the more possibilities that keep getting closer on the horizon (maybe if one production run goes well (if permission is granted) then another design of the 5 could be considered.

But right now lets focus on the black one with the unique font.

Lets impress GM and show them how many fiero buffs are out there that would absolutely love to see emblems reproduced. every single name will help the effort (like i mentioned before if several hundred folks come to them asking for the reproduction, they'd be stupid to turn each and every person around without one)

I am interested. Put my name down on the list - Tim VanZile

quote Originally posted by ig88vsbobafett: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Fie ro-INDY-1984-Emblem-New-front-TWO_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33643QQitemZ8076607091QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW I would try getting in contact with these ppl they had the Fiero Indy badges re made (they should know who to contact

And even made from my originals. That is a friend of mine. Any badge is possible when you order large numbers of them and are prepared to spend the dollars. Dave reproduces quite a lot of the F body badges.

Yea, I got in contact with him Aus... hopefully I'll be able to get a large list of people interested in an emblem... if i can get a list of 300 some i believe it'll make the effort of getting these made alot easier as far as convincing GM the intrest is there.

TTT again

count me in for the one with the red script writing.... probably multiple depending on price.

number 8 I think.
I'm in.
Mike M.

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bump, come on folks (waiting for GM to get back too me... could be tomorrow, could be next month sometime) more names we get the better. Thanks alot, not making any promises... But i've got high hopes for the project...

You can add in others as till the product is done many will not reply.

I know I would go for two GT's

I wouldn't mind a couple, count me in for two. Jason

I would like one

You can count me in for two....then you could tell how much it would be for them in a p.m.