I have been asked by a lot of people to post my side of the story about the threads that George Miller of Fiero Shop has started. I will not utilize this public forum to rebut allegations and accusations that have no merit as that is all they are, allegations and accusations. I will, however, submit a document that will illustrate the fact that the allegations are false and you can decide for yourself. The fact is, I have demonstrated proof of my innocence of the allegations, my accuser has demonstrated nothing but words.

www.tgowens.com/document.jpg

There is another side to his story - quite unlike the one you have been presented with!

Thanks for clearing this up.

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Happiness isn't around the corner...
Happiness IS the corner.

It's great to see YOU back where you belong.

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Terry,
It seem's like George forgot all about that dang paper!!!! OR I should say that he *wanted* to forget about it!! I think that he just cost himself ALOT of business in the future as NO~ONE will believe him on anything he say's!!!!!! I knew that something wasn't right from the start. If I were you... I would NAIL HIS A$$ FOR SLANDER ... As George would say.."To the FULLEST EXTENT"..... If I can do anything.. lmk, Steve *Smooth*

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What do you have to say George? Lets get all this cleared up.

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fascinating, damn my head hurts from this whole thing

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( the above was the thoughts, views, and opinions of a disgruntled Fiero mechanic, and do not express or
imply those of West Coast Fiero, Fieros West, or any other organization - just that of this poor
bastard ) :)

Eric Nelson
Technician,
West Coast Fiero
310-305-4111

Way to go Terry!!!!

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Way to Go! The other side of the story looks really bad for poor ole George. Especially when you have a bunch of stuff that was said about your character, and is available.

I would see a lawyer if I were in your position, looks like the basis for you to sue. That is assuming that you are telling us the entire story.

Cheers!

I'll ask first, what about the tool chest?

Anyhow, that sure does knock Georges dick in the dirt on the parts issue, don't it? That document is rather vague in it's scope when it come to the parts. Maybe Geroge just wanted to load you up with 20,000 fasteners for the $10,000 in parts, but he shoulda mentioned that.

Anyhow, once the tool chest thing is put to bed, I say we have ourselves a good old fashioned tar & feathering for those who bear false witness...

In my opinion tools should be part of the fiero parts thing, because, all fiero's should have tools in the trunk to repair the always occuring "little things" as i call them, that always happens.

Glad to see your back and doing well, Terry. I knew there must have been some agreement(like that document you scanned) that George must have been "forgetting" about. After the clutch thing I vowed never to buy anything from George, and after what he's done now, it just re-inforces my objection to dealing with him.

Hope all is well.

Well, there is a big difference between a Rubbermaid tacklebox filled with metric sockets and Torx bits, and a 5 ft Snap On roll-around filled with micrometers and calibrated torque wrences. Now, I'm not saying that it is either one, and I imagine the reality is somewhere in between. In the light of Terry's promissory agreement, I doubt that George has a receipt for the $800 cash, so I could see that Terry may have taken an $800 shopping spree at the Fieroshop garage sale. I'm just acting as devil' advocate. I'd like to see everything started be resolved and quickly.

Ok, Terry...... it's pretty clear that you are a LOT smarter than George thinks he is.

So I think you probally understand the value of telling the truth to a group as well connected as this Fiero group.

When you were alternately claiming that you worked, didn't work, partially owned etal The Fiero Shop what was your plan for explaining yourself when the truth of your Siero Shop connection came out?

Why were you not truthful in what you told PFF about your relationship with the Fiero Shop from the beginning?

Thanks

BTW, Welcome back...... glad you had that agreement to scan to clear up George's claims.

BTW, your Promissory Agreement has item #4 missing, when you file your lawsuite the lawyers are going to ask where that item is.

Archie

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ive got a special toolbox that fits in the trunk of my fiero, it takes up about half of the trunk space, and slides in like a speaker box with a latch that holds it down,only bad side to this is my amps are mounted in the bottom of the trunk so they get hot when the toolbox is in the trunk also im hoping to finish up my stereo this spring to post pics, I know this was off topic, but i figure if terry
left in a fiero, he could probably get no more than $1k worth of tools in the back of a fiero, and the promisary note was pretty vague, and as i see it tools are a part of every fiero

I'm glad to see that you are back online, Terry, and that the trip was successful.

I knew George was fully of hot air.

Damning evidence if I say so myself! Kudos for having the foresight to create the DOC. Let's hear George's reply. George?

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Boomtastic

quote Originally posted by stimpy: micrometers and calibrated torque wrences.

Do you really think the Fiero Shop would have these?

Good point about the tools though. Of course with George's tendency to dramatize everything, it could have been a rusty pair of pliers.

The Plot Thickens......

Well let's see George "claims" you have $12,000 of his stuff, But the agreement shows he owes/owed you over $19,000.
Guess George now has to "claim" you stole another $7000.
I don't know what is worse, Having your "boss" not pay you $19,000 or having him "claim" you stole items from him.

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All I can say is there's much more than meets the eye here. Otherwise, Terry must be a helluva guy or a real sucker to let it ride to almost 20 thousand and that about 2+ months before this erupted.

I've worked in a shop where my paycheck bounced - and the outstanding amount got settled in cash that day - and it was only a weeks pay. Had it not been, my tools would have been loaded up and outta there before close of business so I could cut my losses.

I don't like the idea of property in lieu of cash - but it's better than zero. The only hink in this story is they didn't come to terms on the value it seems.

IMHO it looks like some sort of a "partnership" or generous commission deal existed without proper documentation and blew up. The promissory is likely the remnants of the deal.

Even when someone owes you money you don't get to take their possessions. That's why we have courts and why those courts issue seizure orders.

Employees have recourse to the state and federal wage and hour divisions and can request enforcement to obtain payment of wages.

Missing item #4 is very troubling and it reflects poorly that you would post that without explanation for its absence.

Archie, don't hog the popcorn. . .

You know there is one thing no one here has considered on the Tool issue. It is highly likely that when Terry moved into The Fiero Shop to work (or "not work") there is that he brought his own tool box with him. Maybe He worked (or "didn't work") there long enough that George to think the tools belonged to the shop.

Well..... it could happen.

I've given up on eating the popcorn, my mouth is so dry I'm spitting cotton.... who drank the last beer?

Archie

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quote Originally posted by Archie: ...I've given up on eating the popcorn, my mouth is so dry I'm spitting cotton.... who drank the last beer? Archie...

LOL!

Live and learn Terry.

Terry,
Since it's almost tax time and April 15th is rapidly approaching, this might be important.
Since George provided in 2001, for your benefit, a $19,532.40 payment for wages owed, as stipulated in the Promissory Note, did he not also submit to you, before January 31, 2002, as required by Federal Law, a Form 1099-MISC in the amount of $19,352.40 ?
It may be in your best interest to locate or obtain this Form. I'm sure you wouldn't mind sharing this with the Forum as you did with the copy of the Promissory Note. I am also sure you are planning to report this as income and are as concerned as the Internal Revenue Service that this will be reported correctly.
Perhaps George may want to share with the Forum only that portion of his or the Fiero Shop's Schedule C showing this payment AS WAGES OWED along with the additional expenses he has claimed for Terry to include Social Security, Medicare, State and Federal Income Tax Witholdings, Workman's Compensation, etc.

How the he11 does one let their owed wages climb to $19'5## ? Especially when you don't work for them?

Dang, 20k is more than alot of us make a year.

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I normally try to stay out of this kind of stuff but...

I've talked to Terry and he seems like a nice guy.

I've talked to Archie (actually met him, too) and he seems like a nice guy.

I've talked to George...

quote Originally posted by Monkeyman: I normally try to stay out of this kind of stuff but... I've talked to Terry and he seems like a nice guy. I've talked to Archie (actually met him, too) and he seems like a nice guy. I've talked to George...

lol.....!!!!!

Now stop it or George will sue you!

DXR_DAD

I still say I trust 'em both about as far as I can throw my Fiero.

LOL @ Monkeyman

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http://www.fieroproject.com

. . .wait, wait, I'm gunna make a beer run. . .

Anybody want munchies while I'm out?

dont forget the chips steve

Ok I'm back. I got Bud, I hope you don't mind. Chips on the table here. The rest of you fellas just help yerselves to the nuts and whatever.

I don't know... something still smells fishy here.

Regardless, you people speculate WAAAAAAY too much. Why add fuel to the fire when you're not sure why the fire was started to begin with?

I've developed an opinion about Terry and The Fiero Shop. Do I care to discuss it? No. This mess isn't any of my (or anybody's) business.

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Just throwing in some more ideas here, even if he owed you a set amount of dollars worth of tools, parts, etc, you can't just go walking in and taking stuff like you've won a shopping spree! You do have to sit down, decide, and write it out!!

Glad to see you made it out Terry, hopefully you can put the whole nightmare behind you and move on.

Best!
Ben.

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Will the Fieroshop respond?
Will Terry be found innocent of the Charges?
Will Archie ever use his 500hp clutch for anything other than a wall decoration?

All these and more will be answered on another episode of PFF. Stay tuned KIDS!!!!

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Has someone been watching too many old Batman re-runs??? LOL =

quote Originally posted by Oreif: Well let's see George "claims" you have $12,000 of his stuff, But the agreement shows he owes/owed you over $19,000.

Let's see, according to George, Terry took $12,000 worth of stuff. According to George, Terry was owed $19,000. So, according to George, Terry is still owed another $7000. Let it go to court so George has to pay you the rest!

I respect your resisting flaming on this thread, Terry, and simply posting your side of the story. It sounds like George is hellbent on taking you to court. I would imagine that document will make it a quick case.

I just hope "justice" prevails, either way. From what I've seen here, it sounds like Terry is in the right, but that's really for the courts to decide.

Ya Know.....

I don't have the foggiest about WHAT this is about but.........

If that piece of paper aint' a rope.....then I'm a lawer.....and I aint

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