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T-top seal question by kevin
Started on: 05-05-2009 12:08 PM
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Report this Post05-05-2009 12:08 PM Click Here to See the Profile for kevinSend a Private Message to kevinDirect Link to This Post
Fellas,
On a CBJ car (T-top) can you substitute a Trans-Am, or other GM T-top car built at that time, as a replacement Fiero seal? I'm thinking there would be a common GM seal that could be trimmed to fit a stock Fiero? I was just thinking someone might have tried this solution yet? Your thoughts....

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There is no exact replacement, but a few folks have re-trimmed other seals to work.
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Report this Post05-05-2009 03:28 PM Click Here to See the Profile for bowrapennocksDirect Link to This Post
I know that some people have used 86 Mustang T-top seals. I will be visiting one of the vendors that has Mustang seals in a few weeks. They will let me look at what they have in stock. I will report back if I get any usefule information.
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Report this Post05-05-2009 03:41 PM Click Here to See the Profile for kevinDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by jscott1:

There is no exact replacement, but a few folks have re-trimmed other seals to work.


These "other seals" that work; what are these seals? Again I ask, are there GM seals that could work?

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Originally posted by kevin:


These "other seals" that work; what are these seals? Again I ask, are there GM seals that could work?

Cordially,
Kevin


No there are NO GM weather seals that work perfectly, outside of the ones for the Fiero. I had a set of Mid 80's Camaro C&C seals but there were some issues like they were to long and the fit at the front bottom of the door window did not match. You had to cut and reglue them to get the fit needed.

The Mustang weather seals I don't know about.

The Company I bought mine from a couple of years ago have sold out of them. I think Oslo or someone had a set for sale on E-bay if I remember correctly. Outside of that good luck finding a new or good set if you need them.

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You had to cut and reglue them to get the fit needed.




Geez, this sounds too easy! Cut then glue. What can be simpler? So they DO fit? Anybody got pictures of this replacement?

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Kevin

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Geez, this sounds too easy! Cut then glue. What can be simpler? So thet DO fit? Anybody got pictures of this replacement?

Cordially,
Kevin


Can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not...but cutting and re-gluing rubber, while not rocket science, it's not as easy as it sounds either. The weatherseals on my chop top are cut by design and I can't get them to stay re-glued to save my life. I'm sure there is some glue that works better than others, but if you don't do it right you will get leaks.

Also on the ends if the shape is wrong it will never seal perfectly.
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Originally posted by jscott1:


Can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not... I'm sure there is some glue that works better than others, but if you don't do it right you will get leaks.

Also on the ends if the shape is wrong it will never seal perfectly.


So, jscott, as I understand it, and not sarcastically, is that if I get really good glue, take my time, so I do it the correct way, shape the ends correctly, it will seal, with no leaks? Did I understand your instructions correctly?

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Originally posted by kevin:


So, jscott, as I understand it, and not sarcastically, is that if I get really good glue, take my time, so I do it the correct way, shape the ends correctly, it will seal, with no leaks? Did I understand your instructions correctly?

Cordially,
Kevin



Yes, but there are a lot of "ifs" in that sentence. T-tops seals from the factory are prone to leak. Home made Frankenstein seals probably even more so. I haven't seen a step by step instruction manual for which weather seals you have to cut and re-glue, but I haven't had the need either.

One forum member was selling re-glued seals and he got all testy when I asked to see how he did it...figured that I was taking food out of his families' mouth by stealing the "crabby patty formula" or some such nonsense. But if I come across the recipe I will post it for all to see.


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Report this Post05-06-2009 08:31 PM Click Here to See the Profile for bowrapennocksDirect Link to This Post
Here is the reference to 3.8SC (member) and replacement seals

[url] https://www.fiero.nl/forum/A...070315-1-062154.html [/url]
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Report this Post05-29-2009 08:50 AM Click Here to See the Profile for bowrapennocksDirect Link to This Post
Last week, I saw a Yellow 88 T-top Formula at the Kit Car Nationals in Carlisle PA. The owner from Poughkeepsie, NY built this 2.8 turbo car and installed the T-tops. He did not have the seals, but got a set from someone who told him they were from a Mustang. After looking at them, I think that they were from the earlier Mustang (pre 87) and not the ones 3.8SC used. He re-used the lower section of the stock seals up to the bend in the glass on the A pillar, and superglued the joint. He sectioned them in the middle of the top (like the guy who used Camaro seals did). This joint was super glued as well. The B butt joint was different, so he sectioned out a triangular wedge to change the angle. That part was glued with urethane. He told me that the seals do not leak. When I went to take a picture, I realized that I did not have a flash card in my camara, so there are no pictures. The owner took my email address and was going to try to find out what kind of seals they were.

I also went to CJ Ponyparts in Harrisburg PA. I looked at the 87 Mustang seals (documented elsewhere on Pennocks). I asked the salesperson if he could tell my the name of the supplier, to see if the supplier might make seals for a Fiero. He said the supplier was a character and would only make parts for a Mustang.
Jim

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