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SPY PICS!....first secrets of the GTR exposed! by Fie Ro
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Report this Post07-21-2003 07:25 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Fie RoClick Here to visit Fie Ro's HomePageClick Here to Email Fie RoSend a Private Message to Fie RoDirect Link to This Post

In this thread I will tease you with some features of the upcoming GTR

About 2 years ago I decided to paint my Fiero. At that time I thought it was a good time to do the body mods before painting. I saw some nice mods on this forum and I had several ideas of my own. Finally (designing your own parts takes hours, days,weeks, months etc!) I am in the process of switching the modified bodypanels to my Fiero. about 75% is on the car, except the rear Altezza lights, frontbumper and roofscoop (next weeks). All parts are still in primer and without grills.

Here are first some "can you guess what this is" pictures! Lets play the game! enjoy

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Report this Post07-21-2003 08:12 AM Click Here to See the Profile for tesmith66Send a Private Message to tesmith66Direct Link to This Post

Looks like a decklid with a Mustang scoop and the vents molded in.

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Report this Post07-21-2003 08:43 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Fie RoClick Here to visit Fie Ro's HomePageClick Here to Email Fie RoSend a Private Message to Fie RoDirect Link to This Post

Mustangscoop: Yes
Vents molded in: No

another vent molded in? maybe

this vent is named after some race-series

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Report this Post07-21-2003 08:57 AM Click Here to See the Profile for KohburnSend a Private Message to KohburnDirect Link to This Post

so we have the decklid with mustang scoop and some sort of molded in vent -
then a molded in front hood vent -
and a front bumper extension of some sort?

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Report this Post07-21-2003 09:02 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Fie RoClick Here to visit Fie Ro's HomePageClick Here to Email Fie RoSend a Private Message to Fie RoDirect Link to This Post

Ok I will give the answer on the first picture:

nascar vents molded in, inline with the stock vents (and functional)!

Kohburn: you are right about the first 2 but doesn't the 3rd looks more like a rearbumper? ;D

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Report this Post07-21-2003 09:17 AM Click Here to See the Profile for KohburnSend a Private Message to KohburnDirect Link to This Post

if you made a rear bumper that the exhaust tips actually go through and not under then I want some pictures!!!

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Report this Post07-21-2003 09:45 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Fie RoClick Here to visit Fie Ro's HomePageClick Here to Email Fie RoSend a Private Message to Fie RoDirect Link to This Post

kohburn: this might be your lucky day

Remember: This is without paint, racing mesh and the 4 new 4" tailpipes:

here you will see some more:

While I am at it : modified Meechamscoop (removed 2 ribs) and molded to the original skirts a set of M3 sideskirts.

* but there's more *

Do you like it so far?

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Report this Post07-21-2003 09:55 AM Click Here to See the Profile for KohburnSend a Private Message to KohburnDirect Link to This Post

love it - make me a rear bumper

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That looks awsome ....I think I wet my self.he,he,he...........

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knowing me tho, I would have a trailor hitch poking through the center mesh section

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Report this Post07-21-2003 10:17 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Fie RoClick Here to visit Fie Ro's HomePageClick Here to Email Fie RoSend a Private Message to Fie RoDirect Link to This Post

kohburn: your bumper will be ready next week, soon enough?
it is trailer-hitch compatible

I might make a mold of it though. I might HAVE to make a mold because I am not completely satisfied about the "smooth" seams holding up as everything is molded into a standard bumper. I am driving it daily so weak points will become clear soon. For the front I will make a mold for sure...

the front hood scoop/vent:

do you see the little joke in this one? :


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Originally posted by Fie Ro:

kohburn: your bumper will be ready next week, soon enough?
it is trailer-hitch compatible

I might make a mold of it though. I might HAVE to make a mold because I am not completely satisfied about the "smooth" seams holding up as everything is molded into a standard bumper. I am driving it daily so weak points will become clear soon. For the front I will make a mold for sure...

you should make molds - i'm sure a fabricator would be interested in purchasing it if there were enough people interested in it.

 
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the front hood scoop/vent:

I was expecting all 4 places to be open.. any plans for this?

 
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do you see the little joke in this one? :


lol - looks like it'd get used as a handle

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Report this Post07-21-2003 11:26 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Fie RoClick Here to visit Fie Ro's HomePageClick Here to Email Fie RoSend a Private Message to Fie RoDirect Link to This Post

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you should make molds - i'm sure a fabricator would be interested in purchasing it if there were enough people interested in it.

* I am considering it but I am changing things all the time during the process, there are always issues when working on it... And parts have to be compatible with original parts OR sold as a complete kit so thats something to look into later.....first it will take some more hours to get the car finished and painted
 
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the front hood scoop/vent:

I was expecting all 4 places to be open.. any plans for this?

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* No. First I wanted a vent like the opel Speedster so I divided the front in proportional 4 grids (2 of the headlightcovers, cut out the 2 middle pieces. But with a horizontal mesh there would be too much water coming in so I was fiddling with the 2 pieces and put them back (with an angle)and this is the result. Its the first part I made. I would make it different now the rest is almost finished

do you see the little joke in this one? :

lol - looks like it'd get used as a handle

*yup!

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* No. First I wanted a vent like the opel Speedster so I divided the front in proportional 4 grids (2 of the headlightcovers, cut out the 2 middle pieces. But with a horizontal mesh there would be too much water coming in so I was fiddling with the 2 pieces and put them back (with an angle)and this is the result. Its the first part I made. I would make it different now the rest is almost finished


hmm can't visualize this - have any pics that'd help?

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Report this Post07-21-2003 01:09 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Smoooooth GTSend a Private Message to Smoooooth GTDirect Link to This Post

Very cool rear bumper and grnd/fx...

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Report this Post07-21-2003 05:59 PM Click Here to See the Profile for stevenrossiClick Here to Email stevenrossiSend a Private Message to stevenrossiDirect Link to This Post

I dont like it, not one bit...as a matter of fact you're better off just shipping that garbage over here to me . Very sweet looking modifications, you've done some great glass work on your car. Keep it up!

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Report this Post07-21-2003 06:22 PM Click Here to See the Profile for MinnGreenGTClick Here to visit MinnGreenGT's HomePageClick Here to Email MinnGreenGTSend a Private Message to MinnGreenGTDirect Link to This Post

I love it! The NACA ducts, the deckscoop (got it), the rear fascia, and the side skirts (got 'em too, but installed the other direction).

I very much like what you're doing with the car - I'd really like to hear more about what/how you made the rear bumper (materials, etc).

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Report this Post07-21-2003 07:49 PM Click Here to See the Profile for KRMFieroClick Here to Email KRMFieroSend a Private Message to KRMFieroDirect Link to This Post

I want M3 skirts.... what car did you get them for? where did you buy them?

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Report this Post07-21-2003 08:49 PM Click Here to See the Profile for doublec4Click Here to Email doublec4Send a Private Message to doublec4Direct Link to This Post

Very original rear bumper! Your fiberglassing work is incredible, and you chose an excellent variety of kits and scoops to mix together.

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I like the back deck lid the best very good idea to help fan out the flames when it ignightes.....j/k. But honestly VERY nice back deck lid.

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Report this Post07-22-2003 07:53 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Fie RoClick Here to visit Fie Ro's HomePageClick Here to Email Fie RoSend a Private Message to Fie RoDirect Link to This Post

Thanks for the great replies! It gives me the courage to go on and finish it.

minngreen: I already saw you have the sideskirts too. The rearbumper was...eh almost "sculpted" I started with a frame of wood and lots of foam(board) and than the sculpting began. After that I glassed everything in and the sanding filling sanding filling sanding and sanding began. I have made some changes, last addition were 2 leftover pieces of the sideskirts which I had in my hand when looking at the rear bumper.....well they are in the midsection now

KRMfiero: The M3 skirts are a universal set. You cut a piece off to make them fit. There were 2 end caps with scoops with them but I didn't use them (didn't look right). Then I took my original skirts off and molded the M3's to them. They make the bodyshape more fluid and modern...

When I am finished I will write down the whole process of idea/planning/building the several parts so people can see whats involved and maybe use this info for their own projects.

Because it is fun to make your own parts!

Still not everything is on the car but I will update this thread when there's progress (and pictures

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Report this Post07-22-2003 10:31 AM Click Here to See the Profile for MinnGreenGTClick Here to visit MinnGreenGT's HomePageClick Here to Email MinnGreenGTSend a Private Message to MinnGreenGTDirect Link to This Post

I'm extremely impressed... especially with the rear bumper- every time I look at that pic, it makes me want to go out and get started on a new project!

As for the side skirts... there was/is more discussion here: http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/031215.html (I just got mine installed on the car Tuesday night before I left for Michigan... only a touch of blending left to do).

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Report this Post07-22-2003 12:00 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Fie RoClick Here to visit Fie Ro's HomePageClick Here to Email Fie RoSend a Private Message to Fie RoDirect Link to This Post

I have missed the thread about the M3 skirts. Thanks. I see yours have an upper ridge. Mine was flat and I cut off about an inch from the top part ( It still is more than an inch lower at the wheels!) But the rearbumper is lower also and I will try to keep the front bumper in line with the rest of the body. I still haven't had any problem with those speedbumps which we have a lot overhere so thats a +.

What I did: I took off the originals, sanded them. Put one layer of resin and polyester cloth on the originals and immediately put on the M3's with clamps. I thought a layer of the polyester cloth would be helping for maximum contact surface (the M3's were a bit rough on the inside)
later I filled the seam on the top ridge and front/rear side. It is smooth and seems to hold well.

The only problem is the M3's are more pointing outwards because the original is pointing outwards a bit. I didn't expect that! But after painting everything should look more uniform.

About painting:
I was going for a flashy color (like the orange of 1fst2M6) but with all those vents I am looking for a darker modern metallic (gun metal grey/ olive metallic) and a black roof section.

Is it true that a darker color "disguises" a bit of the smaller details? It would be nice you would discover those details only when you get closer to the car......

I dont want this car to be "over the top" but more classy....... So no stickertuning on mine! It is only getting a "GTR" sticker.

Oh BTW respect to Smooooooth Steve, he really is the King of Glassfiber and Filler

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Report this Post07-22-2003 02:38 PM Click Here to See the Profile for hoola47Click Here to Email hoola47Send a Private Message to hoola47Direct Link to This Post

Simply awesome, love the side skirts, someday....I will have a pair too.

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Do you mind showing some more pics of your hood? Different angles/further away...

I like what you've done to the rear facia. I can only imagine the time spent sanding!

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Some of you guys are just flat out incredible !

That is some awesome work my friend.

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Very impressive workmanship!

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Report this Post07-22-2003 11:12 PM Click Here to See the Profile for David BartlettClick Here to Email David BartlettSend a Private Message to David BartlettDirect Link to This Post

Are the side skirts fiberglass or ABS? And approx. how much did you pay if you dont mind me asking.

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Report this Post07-23-2003 03:16 PM Click Here to See the Profile for MinnGreenGTClick Here to visit MinnGreenGT's HomePageClick Here to Email MinnGreenGTSend a Private Message to MinnGreenGTDirect Link to This Post

I happened to notice the outward angle you mentioned prior to gluing mine up... so I actually removed all but the upper area (approx 1-2" depending on location) of the stock rocker before attaching them.

These are the only "finished" pics I currently have (need to take some with better light).

And they do sit quite notably lower... but amazingly I've never had them rub anywhere either (and my car has been lowered), even when running it hard at Waterford raceway last week!

BTW: I'd love to see your car finished in either of the modern dark metallics you mentioned... very exotic looking

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Report this Post07-23-2003 07:13 PM Click Here to See the Profile for vortecfieroClick Here to visit vortecfiero's HomePageClick Here to Email vortecfieroSend a Private Message to vortecfieroDirect Link to This Post

 
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Originally posted by Fie Ro:

Ok I will give the answer on the first picture:

nascar vents molded in, inline with the stock vents (and functional)!

Kohburn: you are right about the first 2 but doesn't the 3rd looks more like a rearbumper? ;D


That would be NACA.
http://www.up22.com/Aerodynamics.htm#NacaDucts
"NACA stands for "National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics" and is one of the predecessors of NASA. In the early days of aviation, NACA would mathematically define airfoils - e.g., NACA 071 - and publish them in large reference texts, from which aircraft manufacturers would select for their specific applications. As you probably know, an airfoil is a compromise of lift versus drag, and this relationship changes with the airflow velocity, density, etc, so no one airfoil is optimal for all conditions. As to the NACA duct, I'm trying to say this without sounding professional, but here it is in case you're interested.
The purpose of the duct is to increase the flowrate of air through it while disturbing the aerodynamic boundary layer around the fairing as little as possible. When you increase the cross-sectional flow area of the duct, you decrease the static pressure and make the duct into a sort of vacuum cleaner, but without the drag effects of a plain scoop. The reason why the duct is very narrow, then suddenly widens in a graceful arc is to increase the cross-sectional area, but not so quickly that the airflow separates and causes turbulence (and drag)."


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Report this Post07-23-2003 07:29 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ducattimanClick Here to Email ducattimanSend a Private Message to ducattimanDirect Link to This Post

Eh Fie ro.. i think vortecfiero is right,,i think u should take all that hard work ,blood,sweat in to it and trash it...no no sorry i just think vortecfiero should find something better to crap about,,SINCE THIS GUY HAS DONE NOTHING TO MAKE THIS FORUM ABETTER PLACE..eh tough guy where is ur car..lets see this rust bucket???ik hou van de auto

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Nice!

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Report this Post07-23-2003 10:50 PM Click Here to See the Profile for stimpyClick Here to Email stimpySend a Private Message to stimpyDirect Link to This Post

ducattiman, don't be shy. Tell us how you really feel...

Vortec Fiero was technically correct, but then again, so what? First off, I'd like to see his posting skills in Dutch, secondly, the vents look cool, and that's really all that it's about.

Fie Ro, thanks for posting your accomplishments. It definately makes me itchy to get another Fiero when I get back to California.

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Hmm... Want to buy some nice "GTR" rear GT windows? I bought them at the 20th, but I'm not sure if they're going to go with the car or not yet... They're reproductions, and have the "GT" logo, but it says "GTR" with the R in the usual red writing. I may sell them at some point, I need to get the car in one piece to see what they'll look like!

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Report this Post07-24-2003 12:19 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Capt FieroClick Here to visit Capt Fiero's HomePageClick Here to Email Capt FieroSend a Private Message to Capt FieroDirect Link to This Post

I cant wait to see that thing when it is painted all one colour.

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Report this Post07-24-2003 12:40 AM Click Here to See the Profile for pred1tor83Click Here to Email pred1tor83Send a Private Message to pred1tor83Direct Link to This Post

HEHEH my business i own is regestered in texas with a tax id number and it is GTR


Global Tech Racing.


Sorry i know its out there but its late and i am pissed at my broken fiero.

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This is the only picture of the finished hood I have around for now:


There is no cutting of the front trunk required. I have the sunroof and I still like to be able to store it up front.

About the NACA ducts: They may be used in an other way. BUT I have tested this configuration in my windtunnel and it shows 10HP extra at the rear wheels!
that's enough for me!

GTR windows. I still have to order a set (from Doug/Fierowarehouse?) but I have designed my own GTR logo so I will look for a set without logo....
If someone has a nice set of new GT windows without logo for sale I might be interested!

Minngreen: thats a nice solution you have for your skirts! I hadn't thought of that. real clean. For now I keep mine this way but IF I am going to change it I know now how to do it! Thanks

The M3 skirts were fiberglass. They cost 205 euro (arout $200) which is quite normal for sideskirts.

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Latest addition: TWIN TRUNK EXTENSIONS!

sorry, couldn't resist

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Report this Post07-24-2003 07:42 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Fie RoClick Here to visit Fie Ro's HomePageClick Here to Email Fie RoSend a Private Message to Fie RoDirect Link to This Post

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[This message has been edited by Fie Ro (edited 08-20-2003).]

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