I am in the later stages of my v8 swap and I decided to put my trunk back on. To my disappointment the air cleaner doesn't even come close to clearing the trunk lid (it closes about half way.) I am using an archie kit. I have an edelbrock torker intake, a holley 650cfm carb and am using the edl 1002 air cleaner. From what I read on the forum I shouldn't have any clearance issues. Any advice would be appreciated. thanks in advance.

i have an 84 lid with a hole cut in it, but it use to let in rain and snow to the trottle and the cable. i switched to a hump lid and was ok until i added the nos plate under the carb.

now i'm back to the 84 lid and working on ideas

yeah tommorow i was going to cut out the fins that are on the inside of the trunk. I think that might give me enough clearance. I dont really want to have to cut a hole in the trunk.

Theres always a clearance issue with V8. Some depends on the intake you use. Most use the Edlebrock flat one with mesh. But I dont like them because they will not stop a carb fire. Weiand makes a flat triangle one, but its still slightly tall for mine. 4.9 caddy one is way too tall. You will need one with a inch and 1 1/2 element. 85 GTOs have one the perfect height, BUT its too big in diameter. Im going to end up building myself some kind of ductwork from carb to left fenderwell to make myself happy with it. If I can work something out in fiberglass, I think I could sell them to all the V8 guys. Fresh cold air would be a big improvement.

This might have too big of a diameter too, but it is on my 96 grand Cherokee with 318 V8. It is only about a 1-1/2 tall. If the base is too big, maybe someone could fabricate a 1/8 plate to make it fit. Here is a pic. If anyone is interested I could take it off and measure the opening.

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LS1 v8 T-Top 87 GT

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That Cherokee one, to me, looks like it has some potential.

I don't have the SBC so I can't tell you for sure what will work, but a site you might want to check out is http://www.ramairbox.com/ Don't worry about their Kits, just go straight to parts. They have bases that fit the Holley 4 bbl that have a 1.5" drop relative to the top of the carb. They then have covers that fit a 3" filter that has one or two duct inlets for you to duct cold air into. I've used these guys parts before and they've been high quality. At least you have some options with them.

John Stricker

quote Originally posted by LS1swap: This might have too big of a diameter too, but it is on my 96 grand Cherokee with 318 V8. It is only about a 1-1/2 tall. If the base is too big, maybe someone could fabricate a 1/8 plate to make it fit. Here is a pic. If anyone is interested I could take it off and measure the opening.

LS1swap has the same idea that i'm working on. we had a 99 dakota in the shop with a set up like that but i didn't get to take measurements. i looked at a 00 dakota and it had a different setup on it.

The air inlet cap from the 5.2 V8 Dodge Dakota is the one you want, I have one that I will eventually get around to fiting on my V8. It did fit well with the single plane Wieand manifold, but then I switched to an Edelbrock Performer, it needs a little trimming to fit. I have the later V6 engine cover with the hump

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84SE, aero body, 5 speed and a 350 V8

Here's something to take into account. The newer air cleaner systems like the one in the photo for the Grand Cherokee won't work with a carb. Actual carbs require more clearence above than a Throttle Body due to the bleeder port. I was looking at doing a set-up that was on our old Durango with a 5.2 and then after reading up on carbs, found out the clearence wasn't enough for the carb to function correctly. There is a functional clearence as well as a mechanical clearence needed. You can eliminate the functional clearence by substituting one of the new K&N element top filter covers.

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quote Originally posted by Oreif: You can eliminate the functional clearence by substituting one of the new K&N element top filter covers.

Links? pics? anything?

quote Originally posted by buddycraigg: Links? pics? anything?

They are called X-Stream Air Cleaner lids.

http://www.jegs.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=3118&prmenbr=361

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that's perfect.
i am so there.

it's like the airfilter out of a nissan pickup truck.

thanks.

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It's not so bad... is it? come on cut..cut...

thats exactly what I ended up doing vwaltdog, except I had to cut through 4 of the bars.

Just a thought, what about the Holley Hi-Tek setup? It's got two side-mounted air filters
Holley.com Hi-Tek

Not sure of the exact specs. I can see if my Holley catalog shows sizes, otherwise I'll bring one in from my warehouse if anyone's interested.

Regards,

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quote Originally posted by Kris Duck: Just a thought, what about the Holley Hi-Tek setup? It's got two side-mounted air filters Holley.com Hi-Tek Not sure of the exact specs. I can see if my Holley catalog shows sizes, otherwise I'll bring one in from my warehouse if anyone's interested. Regards,

I have this exact air filter that I'm hoping to use on my 3.4L. Height wise it looks like it will fit under the 85-88 notchback bubble, But Leadfoot stopped by one day and there maybe a width issue. The air cleaner goes from the outside egde to the outside edge of the valve covers on a 60* V-6. The trunk side is fine, but the side against the rear window might be a problem. Once my engine is in I'll know for sure.
If anyone wants the exact measurements, let me know. It's over $200 for the air filter. (I got mine as a gift)

I tried fitting that holley one down at jegs. You would have to cut one whole element side off to clear the firewall. Then the one side left wouldnt flow enough air. It would be fine if you extended your chassis for a kit body though.

quote Originally posted by Kris Duck: Just a thought, what about the Holley Hi-Tek setup?

Nope . . .
if you already have clearance issues due to a bit higher than normal intakes or that nitrous spacer plate pushing you over the limit,this isn't going to fix it (in the stock form and dimensions that is) either.

Plus shortening the aircleaner by cutting off one side of the element to make it fit will reduce the cfm's to low of a level for the engine to run to it's full potenial.

quote Originally posted by Oreif: You can eliminate the functional clearance by substituting one of the new K&N element top filter covers.

Won't work.
Smallest one is a 9 inch, I believe.

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Thanks for that info tina. Think im going to the yard tommorrow to check on Dakota and Cherokee. Let ya all know. My fav yard specializes in late model stuff.

quote Originally posted by Kris Duck: Just a thought, what about the Holley Hi-Tek setup? It's got two side-mounted air filters. Not sure of the exact specs. I can see if my Holley catalog shows sizes, otherwise I'll bring one in from my warehouse if anyone's interested. Regards,

Well, Im using one BUT: I have a REBODY as well as being stretched 7". I'm not sure that this will fit under a stock hood. The one problem I do have is it is HOT back there & I find some fuel percolating issues. I'm about to insulate the carb with a heat isolator, so add another 1/8 inch.
Sandy

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quote Originally posted by Oreif:

i've got a 9" one on the way so i can touchie feelie it.

it's good to work in the parts dept

quote Originally posted by cowans: The one problem I do have is it is HOT back there & I find some fuel percolating issues.

Interesting

Ever measured the temp back there?
(Not really familiar with your car too much, how is it back there when it comes to ventilation?)
Hot enough for it to be a really bad idea to touch the air cleaner?
Now the fuel perculating, when exactly does that occur?
Oh . . . and one more Q
Think that thing is pulling in enough air for motor?

Alright,
done for now
Tina

Why wont a stock chevy air cleaner lid fit?? They dont have a very tall hight because most of it droops sround the sides. have you tried a stock top and bottom?

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The issue with the air cleaner being to large in diamiter is that it will come in contact with the deck lid where the hinge bolts on. Tina's measurement of 9" is right on as being as big as I could fit under my deck lid. This is why the pie shape fits, because it is offset back over the engine. Hope this makes sense. It does to me lol Thanks Gary

I am running the B&M/Holley Hi-Teck.
Seemed like a good idea at the time.
I had to notch the front edge of my deck lid for clearance.
If anyone is serious about running this air cleaner set-up, open the deck lid and measure from the center of the carb to the front edge of the deck lid and you will see what I'm takling about.
YES, it gets very, very hot. Way too hot to touch.
Cold air intake comming soon.

BTW- Running Torker II intake, 650 dp.

Dale

88 Coupe

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quote Originally posted by Tina: Interesting Ever measured the temp back there? (Not really familiar with your car too much, how is it back there when it comes to ventilation?) Hot enough for it to be a really bad idea to touch the air cleaner? Now the fuel perculating, when exactly does that occur? Oh . . . and one more Q Think that thing is pulling in enough air for motor? Alright, done for now Tina

Tina, Yes, I have lots of air... large vents on each side rearward of side 1/4 glass. Also large hood vent. The problem with heating is because I am using 2 VW fox rads & fans in front of the rear wheels, good for highway (180>190*), but in city or when I get on it I can run the temp up to >210*!!! I am currently re-installing the V6 rad to alleviate this condition along with a Holley Spread Bore heat Shield which will add another 1/4" to the height. It's funny as when I was using the standard 'triangle' filter, I did not experience fuel percolation(well, maybe a bit), but, as I installed the Holley, it became much more prominent! I assume that because the 'triangular filter' sat right below the hood vent that i was getting some colder air to feed the engine. All that to say that I expect my 'heat' problems to be minimal once the Heat Shield & 3rd rad are re-installed!
Sandy

polished aluminum holds a LOT of heat. That is why they say to never run a polished alternator on a daily driver. The alternator cannot cool properly and it cooks the electronics.

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I had the same purculating problem in traffic/stop & go. It would just quit, but would refire back up in a few seconds. Driving was fine. I used a 1/4 plastic thermal spacer and no more problems

Now for the good news, finally come up with a great filter/intake that gets fresh outside air from driver side and NO CLEARANCE ISSUES ANYWHERE.

First picked up a 96 Gran Cherokee V8 carb inlet cover and its ductwork (later discarded) and used my old triangular base.it is only 1 1/2 inches high from top of carb.

I used a grinder to cut around my old base to separate the base only from the filter bottom

I LIKE IT!!!

i got in the K&N top filter in a 9", i dont think it would work for me, if any one wants measurements of it let me know by tomorrow. as i will be returning it.

Hey roger or anyone who wants to do this set up there is a easier way! All TB 305 and 350 trucks and cars use a 1 " spacer on top of the TB for air cleaner clearence. Saves you the hassel of making it youre self.

roger,
how tall is that above the carb. my current setup is 2.75 and it's too tall.

Roger i would like a measurement from the bolt holding it on to the right side looking at the pic with it installed, And do you have access to another one of those you want to sell? Thanks Gary

Heres some measurements

I have a Weiand intake, Edlebrock 650.

I have a thermal spacer under carb for anti perculating, thats 1/2 inch thick.

The ring I cut from old Edlebrock air cleaner is 3/4 high, this could be lower if necessary. Maybe as much as 1/2 that.

as it sits with my ring on the carb, gasket, the top of the Jeep cover at the top of the center nut is 2 1/2 inches above the carb air cleaner base surface.

The right side (passenger) of the cover goes 4" past the center of the mounting nut. The carb base itself is actually farther to right than cover.

I did complete some modifications today. I used the Jeep OEM bellows and another short 3" tube to extend the air cleaner into the side intake scoop so rain wouldnt be falling on it in the rain. Still used previously bought parts, cost $0 more. The white marks on the inside of my deck lid are where the old air cleaners were hitting it during driving. No where near it now.

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thanks,
sounds like it will work for me too.

I run a K&N 9 inch air filter with an X-stream top on it.

I had to use a mustang scoop to make it fit and I did not cut all the hump off of the decklid.
I left the front part of the hump on to give the scoop a little extra clearance and I needed it.
Here is a shot from under the spoiler into the scoop, It's hard to tell but I have about 1/4 inch clearance.

A 9 inch air cleaner is about as big as you can fit confortably in there.
Here is a shot with the decklid mostly closed and you can see I have less than 1 inch between the air filter and the hood brace.

tstroud

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'84 SE 350 5 speed (isuzu)
'69 GTO 400 4 speed

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