well the new laptop programmable engine management system is in and working...
took about an hour and a half to install.. would have been quicker but i'm an idiot. i wasn't listening to Ed and hooked up a wire wrong; FRIED the ICM.. so we had to run and get another one. anywho.
this thing Data logs, reads O2! adjusts injector pulse width, inj voltage, Map voltage, TPS voltage, timing advance/retard has both a 3d and a 2d timing and fuel map adjustment, with a grounding wire for a high boost or nitrous map(B) can control up to 8 additional injectors, all the size of a deck of cards.. just plug in your laptop and GO. it's sweetness! Pics soon to follow.
the new unit having data logging ability will retail for $340+ shipping.. i know i said $250 but it's WAY better now.. and still a sweet deal at $300 shipped (in cont. US e-mail me if your outside the 48 states and i'll give you a more exact shipping price) with vehicle specific instructions, and both mine and Eds technical assistance for tuning and installation.
--edit--add-on units require 50% deposit and the rest when you recieve a shipment tracking number. e-mail me ( soundwise@mindspring.com ) for more purchasing information.
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YES... www.barrettraceway.com 's owner/founder willbe getting one soon on his 20g seapco intercooled Talon... i'll keep ya posted on his results.
this unit will work on mass air and MAP vehicles. it's like an S-AFC or a V-AFC just cheaper, WAY more tunable and no lame LCD screen to draw attention.
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Scott-Wa Member
Posts: 5392 From: Tacoma, WA, USA Registered: Mar 2002
sounds like a useful item, but please stop linking to the site that isn't functional... I hate wasting time with sites that don't do a damn thing or have any info. I keep seeing you supply link to website and so I go and hit all the buttons trying to see what you've finally added... NADA.
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scrotum_pat Member
Posts: 737 From: Eldridge,Iowa,USA Registered: Feb 2002
does it boost performance, or improve all around driveability? Can it be used on a stock 2.8.
Yes, Yes and Yes.. we disconnected the MSD box, put the stock chip back in, and put the stock MAP sensor back on my car.. all i have now is 19# injectors. (intake mods and 2.5" exhaust, it idles great, starts the same but allows you to richen or lean out ANY area of throttle position.. if your getting black puffs of smoke at 4300 lean it out a few % this will increase performance and fuel economy by not just wasting it out the tail pipe. if it's detonating due to you wanting to run cheap gas.. you can adjust the timing and fuel % to fix the knocking so you can still run 87octane, if you've got nitrous tune the car awsome with out it THEN build your own fuel and timing maps for a 125shot wet fogger system and hang on.. or let off the throttle nad cruise like it's just a well tuned Naturally aspirated car. turbo? or s/c? need more fuel but don't want to swap out the current injectors... toss on an additional one and have it come on at 3500 under boost and be able to retard the timing for MORE boost... the possibilities are endless.
What kind of resolution does the software/ECM have? You quoted changing something at 4300, which would lead me to believe it has tuning for every 100 rpm. Also, any idea of what ranges the tuning capability has? For example, how much can we tweak the TPS voltage or pulse width?
Thanks! You better make sure and let us know how to wire it up without killing anything.
for the BEST results running it on a dyno would be the ideal.. but you can tune at a local drag strip. but dyno would be the perfered way.
you set the parameters of adjustment.. 0-1-0-1 or % 1-100%, you set the RPM scale mine is 600 to 6000, there are i think i don't have the pic in front of me or the program BUT it's like every 200 rpm (my set up) and at any percentage of throttle opening not just WOT. but better for cruising aroud town.. or running with a hollow cat in an emissions state you should be able to program more timing in it to lower NOx with out killing CO or HCs with added fuel. (but that wouldn't be exactly legal)
if you are remotly familiar with the software you tune the car on the dyno.. instead of paying for their learning the software. it's REALLY easy.. seriously. just click the block, set the value, save, run it and see how it was, repeat till your satisfied or have squeezed the last shread of HP from it's grasp.
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Patrick's Dad Member
Posts: 5154 From: Weymouth MA USA Registered: Feb 2000
nearly any GM, ford, mitsu, honda, etc. computer, we are prefecting the V6 fiero installs now... works on MASS Air and MAP sensor cars. reads and adjusts a LOT too. it's similar to the TEC-II but cheaper and the install is not as involved.
if you want to drive the 8 additional injectors you'll need the heat sink and heatsink compound... not sure how much.. but i'm sure it's not much.. you can run 1-2 additional with out it... also working on installing it in a 95 Porsche 993...
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avengador1 Member
Posts: 35468 From: Orlando, Florida Registered: Oct 2001
it'll remove speed limters... removing a revlimiter won't do anything but waste your time.. on a well tuned 60* V6 you shoul be shifting at or before 5500 anyway.. noone makes a cam that will carry well past that and our intakes and heads aren't set up for high reving...
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m0sh_man Member
Posts: 8460 From: south charleston WV 25309 Registered: Feb 2002
ok my fiero runs very very rich, it runs out perfect on the interstate but in town it only gets like 10-14 miles per gallon, and when you start it up it smells of gas in the exhaust real bad, i know its running too rich, If i buy this management system, i can program it to lean out my fuel system? if so how much can i lean it out? and yes i have a laptop.
matthew
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1FST2M6 Member
Posts: 3905 From: Dallas, GA. Registered: Jan 2000
you can pull it back to well over 26:1 air/fuel.. (stalled the car last night playing with it) or richen it up to 8:1 (again stalled the car messing with it) just make sure that toying with the fuel it's still safe to drive and not so lean that you do damage or to rich that you wipe out O2 sensors or your CAT, it's plug and play it comes with a circuit board to replace the box in the event there is a failure. but even if you just unplug it it'll still work off the factory settings. like if you sell the car and wanna keep the box for the STS or Yukon your buying.
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artherd Member
Posts: 4159 From: Petaluma, CA. USA Registered: Apr 2001
This is like my $1300 Holley Commander 950 engine management system, only cheaper (and aparently still uses the GM ECU?)
Sheesh, for $350, every Fiero should have one.
Best! Ben
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Posts: 398 From: Palatine Il. USA Registered: Jan 2001
I think I need one of these too! My Quad4 Fiero is running a little rich. I think it would solve the problem and probably allow some more overall tuning as well! Will it work with a HO Quad 4?
lol weapon R.. heh.. them and Python Remanufacturing (Venom) are a joke... all they make are time delay boxes and signal amplifiers none of which are tunable.
fierojp - yep you'll be able to tune the Q4 Hairy_ - that will be posted soon... LowCG - yes it'll work on OBDII tell us what car and we'll get the wiring diagram and set up and installation instruction sheet. Ray b - yes it's windows based, and it'll manipulate the N* signals Banzai - is the stock ecu rev limit 5500? humm.. i'll ask Ed. GT GT 87 - added... artherd - yep.. we've used the 950s a couple times and Ed has one on his high boost Super 60 T-04 XR4Ti
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m0sh_man Member
Posts: 8460 From: south charleston WV 25309 Registered: Feb 2002
all hooked up and ready to put the center counsel back on.. you can see the grey braided lead to the right with the white plug.. that goes to the cable to plug into your laptop.
just one of the many screens to manipulate fuel and timing dependant on throttle position and vehicle load. (vacuum)
looks worse than it realy is... just make damn sure you hook the correct wires up.. the pink and white to red NOT lavender and black to red. NO NO NO!! lmao..
t-taps, male/female sheilded connectors.. and a little patience...
it's available now.. $300 shipped... e-mail me for purchasing information. soundwise@mindspring.com
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AkursedX Member
Posts: 2890 From: Lackawanna NY Registered: Aug 2000
id like to see some dyno's also, (ill buy one anyway) looks like you can pretty much hide it so no one will ever know its there also, im very very very interested, what type of payments accepted? cash/check/money order/ credit card? paypal?
im going to look at a 86 or 87 GT today unknown shape and condition if its cheap or i dont buy it you can look forward to shipping to me soon.
matthew
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Nashco Member
Posts: 4144 From: Portland, OR Registered: Dec 2000
Lookin' good Travis. Just one more pay period and I think I may bite the bullet. From your personal experience, do you think this can compensate the injector pulse enough to use a stock fuel pressure regulator with 19# injectors?
A quick comment to those looking to use this on a STOCK engine; without modifications to your engine in any form, you shouldn't expect any power gains. The factory PROM was maximized to work with stock components. To gain power, you're going to have to make sacrifices in something (fuel consumption, driveability, etc.)
BUT, with this, you have much better tuning capability to *match* engine modifications. Of course, a dyno session is necessary to find what is really making things better, along with some tuning knowledge.
Bryce 88 GT
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RS VR-4 Member
Posts: 104 From: Loveland, CO Registered: Mar 2001
thats pretty close bryce.. you will have an increase but with changes/modifications the increase will be more dramatic. the factory prom is set up for longevity and for daily driving.. not for top performance, or hella fuel economy it's ranged for mediocrity.. with the magic box you can tune for your driving style, balls to the wall or highway Mileage and yes you can have both on the same chip.. just flip a switch and boom your on a different map. like if you know how killer the car is and your son.daughter has a speeding or street racing problem.. you can remap the 2nd scale and hide a switch to make the car a kitten while they drive it, but still have the brashness and rompability of the torquey 6 (or F.I.-8/or 4) when your driving. i have higher fuel pressure with the nickle, larger fuel pump and no fuel line resonator on my car, the car ran with the 19#-ers on the stock ecu but painted the back of th ecar with expent unburnt fuel... with this i'll have a nice tint to the tail pipe and minimal crap all over the rear of the car.
second double in a row I may have to start useing one of the laptops, as my desk unit is being very slow/hanging on posts today!!! sorry!!! BTW will this program record inputs to a CPU so they canbe played back to fool the N* into thinking it is still in a caddy with all the anti spin BS hooked up???? OR willl it over-ride the LIMPHOME MODE???? and or rev or speed limiters????
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1FST2M6 Member
Posts: 3905 From: Dallas, GA. Registered: Jan 2000
He made a bracket too! lol.. just double sided tape so it doens't rattle around and annoy me and cause it's own destruction.
(before anyone askes.. the red and while wire in the center of the 2 plugs.. injector duty cycle for my monitor and oil pressure sending unit line to the autometer guage)
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m0sh_man Member
Posts: 8460 From: south charleston WV 25309 Registered: Feb 2002
i can buy computers like that around here for about 50 bucks a pop, they are called goverment surplus, when the goverment surplus's something, ITS OLD, ive got a pentium 100 laptop with good batterys here i picked up with case and all cables for $75
