230 years of rights and liberties shredded - why i oppose the lockdown (Page 1/24)
longjonsilver MAR 27, 07:22 AM

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My opposition to the potential Lockdown is twofold but principally it is based on the fact that over two hundred and thirty years of rights and liberties should not be shredded on the basis of any threat, real or imagined. Americans either have rights or we don’t. There is no asterisk in the Constitution that states the Bill of Rights is null and void in the event of a terrorist attack or a virus outbreak. If we do not maintain our rights in a time of crisis, then, simply put, we do not truly have rights at all.

If we do not maintain these rights, our country, such as it is, ceases to exist.

Secondly, we are quickly driving this country to a second Great Depression where unemployment is at levels never before seen and where only the 1% and the major banks have anything resembling wealth. This Depression will be so devastating that it will make the first look weak in comparison, not just because of employment but because of the real human toll after decades of globalism, Free Trade, and urbanization have gutted this country of its workforce, manufacturing, healthcare, education, production capabilities, and general living standards.




https://www.zerohedge.com/p...hy-i-oppose-lockdown

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maryjane MAR 27, 08:48 AM

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My opposition to the potential Lockdown is twofold but principally it is based on the fact that over two hundred and thirty years of rights and liberties should not be shredded on the basis of any threat, real or imagined. Americans either have rights or we don’t. There is no asterisk in the Constitution that states the Bill of Rights is null and void in the event of a terrorist attack or a virus outbreak. If we do not maintain our rights in a time of crisis, then, simply put, we do not truly have rights at all.

If we do not maintain these rights, our country, such as it is, ceases to exist.

Secondly, we are quickly driving this country to a second Great Depression where unemployment is at levels never before seen and where only the 1% and the major banks have anything resembling wealth. This Depression will be so devastating that it will make the first look weak in comparison,



Having stated it, you now get to prove it.
cliffw MAR 27, 09:14 AM

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Originally posted by longjonsilver:
... because of the real human toll after decades of ... urbanization.



Makes no sense to me.
MidEngineManiac MAR 27, 09:27 AM
Rights, liberties and freedoms were gone long before this lockdown.

They have been eroded for over 100 years, starting with prohibition, under color of law.

War on alcohol, war on drugs, war on terrorism, war on corona, war on (insert whatever here). Every time a war on something starts, rights, liberties and freedoms are lost.

Add in political correctness, which is actually a war on free speech. It's designed to take away your ability to complain and defend your other rights verbally. If you can't say truck then you can't say truck you to your oppressors.
williegoat MAR 27, 10:00 AM
So many are looking for somewhere to place blame. The left blames Trump, Trump blames the Chinese, the Chinese blame the U.S. military, I blame Walmart for not stocking enough toilet paper.

The author of this article blames “the government”:


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Now, here we are close to twenty years later. Americans once again have a shadowy nemesis for which our government has once again failed to provide adequate information. Once again, the governmental response is not a robust rethinking of how we got to be where we are, (in this case how medical care is provided, who has access to it, or the overarching philosophy behind it), but a massive police state, quasi martial law, and the evisceration of what is left of the liberties and rights they didn’t give away twenty years ago or give away gradually in the time between.



In his effort to find a scapegoat, and therefore absolve himself of responsibility, he has relinquished his rights to “the government”, voluntarily. He requires that the government act, then complains that the government has acted.
IMSA GT MAR 27, 10:54 AM
Crazy question for the OP. You live in Nova Scotia. Do our laws and history affect you?

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Boondawg MAR 27, 02:57 PM

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Originally posted by IMSA GT:

Crazy question for the OP. You live in Nova Scotia. Do our laws and history affect you?




Even crazier question.
Is he still allowed to think about stuff that doesn't affect him personally?
blackrams MAR 27, 08:36 PM

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Originally posted by Boondawg:
Even crazier question.
Is he still allowed to think about stuff that doesn't affect him personally?



Heck yeah, any non-U. S. citizen can think whatever they wish. (Edited: To be clear, U. S. citizens can also think what they wish, didn't mean to leave them out.)
That doesn’t mean we U. S. Citizens need to care what they think. I personally don’t really care how they run his country and I doubt he or any of it’s citizens would care to hear my gut reactions (if, I had any) to their government.
But, if I did spout off about his country or his government, I would fully expect to receive a reaction.

Rams

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Wichita MAR 28, 08:45 AM
There must have been this weird narrative that most all bought when it comes to this novel common cold virus, known as COIVD-19.

The more I really learn about the virology and biology of this virus, the more I'm not even worried about it. I can go on about the details, but receiving information from calm experts, from before and during this pandemic, is been where I have put some of my attention to.

I then read about how physical distancing is actually helping to drop the number of influenza cases currently. There is an influenza outbreak still ravaging through the world too, in conjunction with this coronavirus.

The CDC just released their influenza numbers (COMPLETELY DEVOID OF ANY MEDIA ATTENTION). 39 million Americans are or have been infected with influenza this cycle (2019/2020), resulting in 400,000 hospitalizations and 24,000 deaths. <------- PERSPECTIVE. THIS IS GOING ON RIGHT NOW.

I don't hear any stories about how 400,000 hospitalizations are stretching the medical supplies and we are running out of hospital beds.

Here is what I think happened. The media showed this noval virus in China and how the Chinese were using draconian methods to contain it in the city of Wuwan. Shoving infected people in quarantine apartment buildings and welding the doors shut. Shutting down everything and etc. It was built up as some scary zombie virus that if the Chinese are willing to go that far then this must be a very scary virus. Then people started to post these 100-year virus pandemic stories, like the Spanish Flu, and the 1820, 1720, 1620 pandemics and etc. Then they said is 2020 next?

But inevitably, it spreads, because the zoological transfer of these viruses, which comes from bats, which are close colony animals, have viruses that are easily transmissible. So that is why this coronavirus is spreading rapidly. Practically all virus origins come from another species.

But the virus is a very weak virus, because here is a big idea.... Viruses aren't designed to kill their host. This virus is very limited, easily killed by just simple soap, sunlight, temperature and our immune system can easily take care of it (for those that are deemed marginally healthy).

But the media spinning this as this zombie virus from China starts hitting everywhere in the world, and all of a sudden a narrative is built. The media and politicians turn to the medical community, who in turn always give their worse case scenarios (can't blame them), and the news gets out about grandma dying everywhere, and the politicians turn back to the medical professionals again, who in turn give their worse case scenarios (and this cycle continues over and over again). Now they make draconian measures to what they say is to stop the spread of this virus, when it is already too late, but they want to make sure they do "something" about it, because they know that all the blame goes to them. Because no matter what they do, it will NEVER be enough for people and the media. They will always point to a dead grandma and say "It's your fault. You didn't do enough. This is poor leadership."

So people panic, people panic buy, business gets closed because of panic by politicians, economy crashes because of the panic, politicians throw helicopter money to keep the economy from tanking further, (of course people will say, "you didn't do enough.") and the media will keep on portraying the death rates everyday and telling everyone Trump sucks, while Biden be hiding in his basement.

Meanwhile, an Oxford study is showing that possibly millions upon millions if not already 50% of the developed world, including the USA/Canada has already probably contracted this COVID-19, as more than half the people would have no or very little symptoms and that a communal immunity is already starting to happen.

In other words, we are for the most part, most likely fine, but the hysteria alone has made a mini crash of the economy that will have lasting effects. Even NY Governor Andrew Cuomo is even second guessing that closing down businesses may have been a bad idea and a poor decision. At least someone is willing to take accountability for that.

I have no doubt, as the year progresses, that most everyone will look back at this hysteria and face palm themselves or at least blame (politically) other people for their stupidity or pouring lighter fluid on a fire. But these politicians and media heads have no skin in the game. They don't loose from being wrong. They keep going and wielding the power they have over you.

I for one am not afraid at all. I proved that by actually going to the homeless shelter yesterday evening and serving over 600 meals, with no physical distancing. The homeless still need our attention.

Even if I have the essential multi-pass to work, am going to go on as usual. Not reckless, mind you. I wash hands, sanitize them, wear gloves when pumping gas, comply with the physical distancing lines at the stores, public and work. Because I know most people took in this hysteria and are afraid of strangers more than ever, so I don't want to frighten them.

In fact, I had a dry cough spell for a few days back in early Feb, that coincides with the description of many healthy people who have been tested positive for COVID-19, since I travel often, I figured I most likely already had the virus back in early Feb, and now I'm good.

I'm not afraid at all. I'm perplexed of how far this pandemic narrative went and is still going.

Meanwhile, China and the rest of Asia is going back to business as usual, because they understand that this isn't really a huge deal. Yeah, there is some attention needed, the medical community will have their hands full for awhile, but we can handle this. Nothing will be overrun, other than GD toilet paper.

Time stamped! Because there will be plenty of people who are "scared" now, that will beat their chest later saying that they knew all along, when in fact they were scared as most everyone else.

I'm not now and never was!
IMSA GT MAR 28, 09:00 AM

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Originally posted by Wichita:



Thats how I feel. Take care of yourself and your immune system and you'll be fine. Those who are chronic smokers, alcoholics, drug addicts, and people with health issues should be at least slightly concerned.