Panera Tried Socialism, It Failed (Page 1/16)
Blacktree FEB 14, 05:50 PM
Panera opened a small chain of restaurants called Panera Cares, where the pricing schedule was basically "to each according their need, from each according to their ability". In other words, Marxism. And SURPRISE, it failed... miserably.

Apparently, the founder of Panera hasn't learned the lesson from that experiment. Instead of acknowledging that it was a dumb idea, he blames it on society.

https://www.vox.com/the-goo...cares-boston-closing



I marked this as politics, because Marxism.

Edit to add: The thread title is incorrect. The business model of Panera Cares was technically communist, not socialist.

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shemdogg FEB 14, 10:22 PM
I was hooked from the hwuuut! Lol What a stupid idea, glad it failed.

shem
randye FEB 14, 11:16 PM

2.5 FEB 15, 11:32 AM

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Originally posted by Blacktree:

Instead of acknowledging that it was a dumb idea, he blames it on society.



That seems to be the issue with people who believe in it. They live in a what if world in their heads. What if everyone was good, we all shared, not one ever got mad, there was no such thing as stealing or murder.....

How can they blame society when it doesn't work, yet keep trying, society isn't changing, human nature isn't changing, the system needs to be set up to fit what human nature is.

I always think, "duh".

I even had a guy DURING THE GOV SHUTDOWN no less, say why don't we want the government to provide healthcare for all? Why would anyone not want everyone to have healthcare?
Since I knew much more detailed answers would not be accepted or maybe even enter the brain. My response was simply "when the gov gives everyone healthcare what happens when the gov shuts down?"
I don't think he even heard it because he said "everyone would have healthcare" ...so I repreated, but what happens when the gov shuts down then? And he paused and said ..."oh".
At this point we were leaving anyway and the conversation didn't continue. Which was probably what he preferred...
Its all utopia wishes.

They can probably look back at Mao, Stalin, Hitler, and blame it on society.
Seriously, its dangerous.
Threedog FEB 15, 12:31 PM
Man, you guys really have no idea what socialism is.


I assume the systems that the Nordic countries have are not socialist because they work?

Well if they are not socialist, then Bernie Sanders is not socialist either. If they are socialist, then a socialist democracy can work. Which one is it?
2.5 FEB 15, 12:55 PM

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Originally posted by Threedog:

Man, you guys really have no idea what socialism is.

I assume the systems that the Nordic countries have are not socialist because they work?

Well if they are not socialist, then Bernie Sanders is not socialist either. If they are socialist, then a socialist democracy can work. Which one is it?



Compare for a bit the population, resources and land area of a particular Nordic country to the US. Then consider all the other differences.
2.5 FEB 15, 12:58 PM
After that consider our Constitution and Bill of Rights.
MidEngineManiac FEB 15, 01:20 PM

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Originally posted by Threedog:

Man, you guys really have no idea what socialism is.


I assume the systems that the Nordic countries have are not socialist because they work?

Well if they are not socialist, then Bernie Sanders is not socialist either. If they are socialist, then a socialist democracy can work. Which one is it?



AND, look what those "social" policies have turned the Nordic (and Germany AND the UK) countries into...
williegoat FEB 15, 01:25 PM
In my last job, I worked alongside two Danes and a Norwegian who all left Scandinavia precisely because of creeping socialism and came to America for the freedom and opportunity. They all met here in the USA and two of them, a husband and wife, owned the company.

Anyone who is not convinced of American exceptionalism should spend some time with people like them.
Threedog FEB 15, 02:29 PM

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Originally posted by williegoat:

In my last job, I worked alongside two Danes and a Norwegian who all left Scandinavia precisely because of creeping socialism and came to America for the freedom and opportunity. They all met here in the USA and two of them, a husband and wife, owned the company.

Anyone who is not convinced of American exceptionalism should spend some time with people like them.


Anyone brainwashed by anecdotal evidence of America's success should think otherwise.

Looking at happiness, life expectancy, HDI, freedom of the press, education, corruption levels...basically ANY measurable facts about life in nordic countries compared to America it is objectively a better society. And its not just oil rich Norway, Finland is easily included there as well.