 
     |
| Advice to a wayward prince, from a senior advisor 2 the President of the United State (Page 1/2) |
|
rinselberg
|
DEC 09, 04:51 PM
|
|
The senior advisor is Jared Kushner, and the prince is the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia's heir apparent and de facto ruler, Mohammed bin Salman.
Famously, the two men have become friendly with each other over the years.
So what do you say (if you're Jared Kushner) and the acrid odor of a Smoking Bone Saw is assaulting your nostrils?
| quote | | Mr. Kushner has offered the crown prince advice about how to weather the storm, urging him to resolve his conflicts around the region and avoid further embarrassments, according to a report in the New York Times. |
|
Sounds like sage advice to me.
I don't want to link directly to the New York Times, because of the subscription and paywall issues, but this is being widely reported by numerous media venues, including the highly respected ZeroHedge(.com).
I'm going with the "Daily Sabah", which appears to be an online media venue that operates from Istanbul.
"Jared Kushner advised Saudi crown prince on how to deal with Khashoggi outcry, report says"
Anadolu Agency (Uncommon name, eh? Anadolu. Masculine? Feminine? Unisex?) for Daily Sabah; December 9, 2018.
https://www.dailysabah.com/...i-outcry-report-says[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 12-09-2018).]
|
|
|
|
Tony Kania
|
DEC 09, 07:09 PM
|
|
One, **** Jared Kushner. Not so much **** him, but not interested in his life at all.
Two, this murdered reporter shat is just as interesting to me.  One dead reporter, while so much else goes on.
I get it Ron, you want President Trump to be guilty of something. Anything. Perhaps he is, but as long as my life and so many other lives around me keep on winning, the President can cut the throats of liberal reporters on the television on Tuesday evenings at 8 for all that we care. 
|
|
|
Boondawg
|
DEC 09, 08:09 PM
|
|
| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
So what do you say (if you're Jared Kushner) and the acrid odor of a Smoking Bone Saw is assaulting your nostrils?
|
|
As a rational human being, I find it despicable when an American citizen is tortured & assassinated on foreign soil.
The soil of our allies.
Murdered by our allies.
While we look the other way, because we do business with them.
Even though, a rational human being must also consider the consequences of alienating a very valuable & powerful allie, over a single life.
If it was a member of my family that this horror was done to, I would want justice, from top-to-bottom.
But The Big Picture?
I wonder if the fact that he wore a thoab & gutra (traditional Saudi clothing) makes it easier for some Americans to not get so wound-up about his murder?
Simply by the fact that he didn't look American.
I wonder if the response would be different if it was...Walter Cronkite?[This message has been edited by Boondawg (edited 12-09-2018).]
|
|
|
|
blackrams
|
DEC 09, 08:32 PM
|
|
| quote | Originally posted by Boondawg:
As a rational human being, I find it despicable when an American citizen is tortured & assassinated on foreign soil.
The soil of our allies.
Murdered by our allies.
While we look the other way, because we do business with them.
Even though, a rational human being must also consider the consequences of alienating a very valuable & powerful allie, over a single life.
If it was a member of my family that this horror was done to, I would want justice, from top-to-bottom.
But The Big Picture?
I wonder if the fact that he wore a thoab & gutra (traditional Saudi clothing) makes it easier for some Americans to not get so wound-up about his murder?
Simply by the fact that he didn't look American.
I wonder if the response would be different if it was...Walter Cronkite?
|
|
I doubt it would be different although, Walter was special and active before the press started their full court leftist reporting. Personally, I think the fact that he was a "reporter" and his stories and political stances is why most don't give a rat's ass. Just my opinion.
Rams
|
|
|
|
rinselberg
|
DEC 09, 08:33 PM
|
|
| quote | Originally posted by Tony Kania:
One, **** Jared Kushner. Not so much **** him, but not interested in his life at all. Two, this murdered reporter shat is just as interesting to me. One dead reporter, while so much else goes on.
I get it Ron, you want President Trump to be guilty of something. Anything. Perhaps he is, but as long as my life and so many other lives around me keep on winning, the President can cut the throats of liberal reporters on the television on Tuesday evenings at 8 for all that we care. |
|
I do not blame President Trump or Jared Kushner or any other (known) American for the fact that agents of the Saudi government decided to murder the guy, and (by all accounts) murder him in a conspicuously brutal way.
I am interested in how the Trump administration (and Congress) is now going forward--to the extent that anything involving the Middle East ever goes "forward"--with the official and unofficial U.S. relationship with Saudi Arabia.
I was not exactly trying to ridicule or skewer Jared Kushner with that report. I think there were fallacies in the Trump administration's positioning of itself from the get-go, after Trump's very public state visit to Saudi Arabia, and after the very pubic and complicated falling out between Saudi Arabia on one side, together with Egypt and the UAE, and Qatar, on the other side of that very contentious (and still ongoing) international dispute.
I don't want to get bogged down in the substance of these foreign policy issues right at this very moment.
There is a mirthful or whimsical aspect of the way that I started this Topic. At least, that was the atmosphere or ambience that I was trying to create. There is actually something comforting to me in the reporting about this from the New York Times, which I have not actually looked at directly, but the way it is coming across to me from the other online and TV reporting about what the New York Times has reported. I rather like that advice, from Jared Kushner to "MBS". In so many words:
| quote | | Resolve your conflicts, and strive to avoid even further embarrassments. |
|
That reads like a very well scripted message for one of those Chinese-style fortune cookies.[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 12-09-2018).]
|
|
|
|
williegoat
|
DEC 09, 09:05 PM
|
|
|
I suppose they could have just blamed the brutal murder on some errant filmmaker from California. What difference would it make?
|
|
|
|
randye
|
DEC 09, 09:48 PM
|
|
| quote | Originally posted by Boondawg:
As a rational human being, I find it despicable when an American citizen is tortured & assassinated on foreign soil.
The soil of our allies.
Murdered by our allies.
While we look the other way, because we do business with them.
|
|
A rational person would know the facts.
A rational person would know that Jamal Kashoggi was a SAUDI citizen, NOT an American citizen.
A rational person would know that Jamal Kashoggi was killed in a SAUDI embassy in TURKEY.
A rational person would know WHY Jamal Kashoggi fled SAUDIA ARABIA and why he was in Turkey and his connection to Recep Tayyip Erdogan.
A rational person would know about Jamal Kashoggi's ties to wahabbi islamist extremism, his ties to Al-Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood and that Jamal Kashoggi was a proponent of bringing down the Saudi monarchy and replacing it with an extreme wahabbist theocracy just like Iran and Yemen.
A rational person would know that Jamal Kashoggi was "best buds" with Osama Bin Laden and that he served as the "propaganda minister" for Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan under Bin Laden
A rational person would do at least a modicum of research on his own and not simply buy into the leftist media propaganda about Jamal Kashoggi being some sort of "hero for democracy in Saudi Arabia."
A rational person would know that the United States government supports an ally like Saudii Arabia in part because they have stood as an opponent of wahabbist islam extremism in the region, (i.e. Iran, Yemen, etc.).
A rational person would know that Ronald knows nothing about U.S. foreign policy or geopolitics and that he starts threads like this for only ONE reason; President Trump.[This message has been edited by randye (edited 12-10-2018).]
|
|
|
|
olejoedad
|
DEC 09, 11:03 PM
|
|
|
. [This message has been edited by olejoedad (edited 12-09-2018).]
|
|
|
|
randye
|
DEC 10, 05:17 AM
|
|
| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
There is a mirthful or whimsical aspect of the way that I started this Topic
|
|
Along with your childlike willingness to believe unsubstantiated bull-crap from a hard left "news" paper claiming that the JEWISH son in law of the man that moved the American Embassy in Israel to Jerusalem is somehow a close "buddy" with a high ranking member of the Saud Royal family.
Your mental illness and Trump Derangement Syndrome makes you an easy and willing dupe for any nonsense and agitprop the leftist media feeds you.[This message has been edited by randye (edited 12-10-2018).]
|
|
|
|
Tony Kania
|
DEC 10, 08:32 AM
|
|
| quote | Originally posted by Boondawg:
As a rational human being, I find it despicable when an American citizen is tortured & assassinated on foreign soil.
The soil of our allies.
Murdered by our allies.
While we look the other way, because we do business with them.
Even though, a rational human being must also consider the consequences of alienating a very valuable & powerful allie, over a single life.
If it was a member of my family that this horror was done to, I would want justice, from top-to-bottom.
But The Big Picture?
I wonder if the fact that he wore a thoab & gutra (traditional Saudi clothing) makes it easier for some Americans to not get so wound-up about his murder?
Simply by the fact that he didn't look American.
I wonder if the response would be different if it was...Walter Cronkite?Click to show
|
|
Nary a word you just wrote was rational. I foresee a large bowl of marijuana in your future.
I enjoy when progressive minded folks get on their podium and speak their "truths", only to be slapped down by facts. If you want to be an artist, go be an artist. Keep the facts to the rest of us. I know nothing about pin setting, and have never asked for advice on the subject. But when I do, I know just who to call upon. 
Not trying to pizz on anyone here, just being rational.
How can one be rational when they do not have of the facts?
rational adjective
ra·tio·nal | \ˈrash-nəl,
ˈra-shə-nᵊl\
Definition of rational
1a : having reason or understanding
b : relating to, based on, or agreeable to reason : reasonable a rational explanation rational behavior[This message has been edited by Tony Kania (edited 12-10-2018).]
|
|
|
|