Build thread: '88 + 3800 = Fun in Spokane (Dial-up death warning) (Page 1/33)
aaronkoch JUL 13, 03:46 PM
Ok, so here is the beginning of a few months (hopefully less) of destroyed knuckles and dirty hands.

I found a rust free '88 coupe here in the Spokane area, '88 coupe with Iron Lung, and a slushbox on it. Came with AC, power windows, locks. No sunroof panel, so I'll swap the one off my parts car. I drove the car around for a few weeks and although it had NO real power to speak of, this is my first '88 so I am in awe of how nicely they ride. This, despite the fact that all the ball-joints are original, and the bushings look like they went up against Chuck Norris' blender.

Without further ado, let's get some pictures rolling!

Cleaning interior out, put on blocks for prep.





Tony Kania came over to help -- He disconnected the engine and transmission lines while I tore down the front suspension. Thanks Tony!




No real rust to speak of, surface stuff here or there, but the bolts all came out without incident except the front brake hose flare bolts. I'll have to cut and re-flare.







Some interior shots, notice how "clean" this car is.. I've never seen one before that didn't at least have rust on the hoor handle mounts.









So, I pre-loosened all the cradle bolts, and disconnected the parking brake cable (MAN, I love how they did it on the '88, under the front cradle crossmember!). Then, Joe (aka Fieroking) showed me his fool-proof method of rigging up to lift a fiero. It basically involves removing rear bumper cover, and bumper mount, and wrapping a strap around frame rails. Not only does this prevent the car from moving around a lot, but it doesn't roll on axis when lifted, and it leaves you enough room to slide dollies under the cradle.


Here's me, suggesting we hit it with a bigger stick. My oldest son Max was so stoked that he got to lift up a whole car. Greg's son Tyler was there helping and learning as he's now 16 and about to begin work on his fiero. That's Joe jockeying the dollies around until they were just right.






Once we got the car resting on the dollies, I got down there to finish removing the cradle bolts. This particular one caused me extreme grief because no matter how we jockeyed the car around, there was still a little weight on it, so I ended up just backing it ALL the way out with a wrench. By the end, I was laying on the ground and my arm was cramping something fierce. I'm an IT admin by trade, not used to all this REAL work...





While I was wedged under there, Joe decided to throw small things down at me and wiggle the duke to scare me. This was my first 2.5, and I thought it was rather ghetto that it only had 2 mounts + a dog bone to hold it up. It was SO sloppy in there..





One last check before lifting the car off, pulled the power, grounds, and the harness through.






Liftoff! Notice my apparent "I am Sparta!" nose covering. I'm pretty sure Greg did that on purpose to keep my camera from melting.





Oops, forgot a hose. Nobody pay attention to that one, it's not important.





Ok, all clear, time to push!! wiggled around to clear the brake line, and the legs of the crane:






Woohoo! All clear! I think I'm doubled over in pain here, but don't remember. By this time, I'd sniffed too much brake fluid, antifreeze, and spent the whole day in the super-hot sun. After this, we set some blocks under where the cradle mounts in the rear. (Don't stare at my ass, and remember kids, say no to crack)





Ugh, cleanup begins. No rust except the battery tray (still not much). At least I can get rid of all that disgusting fiberglass crapola.





Obligatory standing in the engine bay shot: Note, car owner is more than slightly unhinged by now. This, and there is a HUGE thunderstorm rolling in.. Time to put away tools, and cover stuff..




More later! Thank you so much to Joe (Fieroking), Tony Kania, Greg (lilrdfiero), Tyler, and my wife for allowing me another project (although I'm sure it was a brief moment of weakness, and I'll pay for it later).

And the sun set on the first day..

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JamesCurtis JUL 13, 03:58 PM
It's looking good! I'm in the middle of mounting the 3800 w/getrag 5 spd to the cradle and am having some problems. Here's to a problem-free installation! *holds up beer*

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aaronkoch JUL 13, 04:22 PM
Yeah, I ran into a snag too.. Anybody know the best way to put poly on the front upper a-arms on an '88? That pin won't come out with the sleeves still in there, and I need the sleeves for the poly..

I burned as much rubber out as I could, and I guess I'll just have to scrape it out with the pin in there.

What problem are you having with your swap?
JamesCurtis JUL 13, 04:27 PM
I have PR's 3800 engine mount and getting the cradle modified is being more of a pain than I expected. I can't seem to get the tranny mounts lined up and without those laying flat I can't properly mark a hole to drill for the engine mount. It's just a typical day in my life though, nothing goes to plan
aaronkoch JUL 13, 04:33 PM
Is there a chance you have his automatic mounts (if there's a difference)? I'm going to probably end up with an isuzu tranny, as I want the long freeway gear and will probably keep the motor NA.
aaronkoch JUL 13, 08:45 PM
Bump for night crew: Anybody installed poly on the front uppers on an '88? anyway to get the pin out without removing the bushing sleeves? If not, I'll just get them powder coated together.
Dogcreek JUL 13, 09:29 PM
Wow!!

Nice work Aaron and other INW Fiero guys!! You weren't kidding were you...you will have this bad boy ready for Richland. BTW, if you are interested in some really nice seats give me a call. They are the 2005 Cavalier ones I just pulled. Mint condition... They bolt right in! Super Huge Special One Time Discount to INW members trying to get cars ready for the 7th!! Even bigger discount to you Aaron!!!!!

Jeff

509-747-4826
aaronkoch JUL 13, 09:55 PM

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Originally posted by Dogcreek:

Wow!!

Nice work Aaron and other INW Fiero guys!! You weren't kidding were you...you will have this bad boy ready for Richland. BTW, if you are interested in some really nice seats give me a call. They are the 2005 Cavalier ones I just pulled. Mint condition... They bolt right in! Super Huge Special One Time Discount to INW members trying to get cars ready for the 7th!! Even bigger discount to you Aaron!!!!!

Jeff

509-747-4826




You da man! I'll call tomorrow!

Tomorrow is officially the day the "fun" starts, all my poly, springs, KYB's, SS brake lines, ball joints, tie rods, calipers and brakes show up. I also need to get the A-arms and rear arms ready to had off to Joe to get powder coated.. I don't think I will be quite ready for richland, but it'll be close.

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helmet1978 JUL 14, 12:23 AM
Nice work Aaron! Did I get you motivated a couple weeks ago?

Mine took 4 months to finish, if you can get yours done by Aug 7th I'll make you a special award for the fastest 3800 engine swap in the northwest!

Let me know if you run into any engine related questions, hopefully I can answer them for you...

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Tony Kania JUL 14, 12:46 AM
Maybe you will be done in time for Fierofest. Wouldn't that be nice? I will tell you all that Aaron's 88 really does not have any rust. Definately makes dismanteling a lot easier.

No thanks needed there buddy. Just nice to meet your family. You are one lucky man. The kids love you. The wife loves you. And you get to pull off projects like this one. Guess that I have it good also.

How do you know when you shop at Harbor Freight too much? When your significant other recognizes where you bought your engine lift by the paint!

Call me when you need any more help. Also, let me know when you plan on getting Joe's engine. Me gots a pick-em-up truck.

Tony