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2022 CONGRESSIONAL MIDTERM ELECTIONS by randye
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It is now 307 days until the 2022 Congressional Midterm Elections.,,,and counting down

Predictions?

Concerns?

Discussion?

Rumors?

Lies?

Memes?

Cartoons?

THERMIDOR 2022

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I forecast the Jan 6 Inquisition will produce their report sometime around the beginning of that election cycle. The brush will be large in the smear attempt. It will do little but piss more people off.
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Originally posted by randye:

It is now 307 days until the 2022 Congressional Midterm Elections.,,,and counting down

Predictions?

Concerns?

Discussion?

Rumors?

Lies?

Memes?

Cartoons?

THERMIDOR 2022



very little discussions from the reich-wing ever their dogmas can not ever be questioned
lots of rumors and lies as that is their SoP of the Gop
so memes and cartoons also but very very few facts and no data as they hate facts and data

will they ever take personal responsibility for the attempt to overthrow our elected government ?
they say personal responsibility is important but never do it themselves just expect others to do so

BTW wth is THERMIDOR 2022 a wasted lobster in a cheesy mess?
an over priced fancy ice box ?
some frog revolting BS from long ago ?
some thing else ?

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New variant just in time for the election, resulting in record mail-in ballots, most of which will be votes for the Democrats, brought to you by Dominion Voting.
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The GOP is just a branch of the leftist Dems. Yesterday's Democrat is today's Republican.

Look.at the past month's leaders of the GOP. Today leading GOP figures advance the narrative of a Jan 6th, 2021 violent terror attack on Congress in official statements. They shill for more Afghan migrants, they shill for mRNA injections.

You aren't going to earn any credibility points claiming the left leaning GOP is far right, ray b.
What you're really advocating for is more leftism and government dependence.

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Originally posted by ray b:

very little discussions from the reich-wing ever their dogmas can not ever be questioned
lots of rumors and lies as that is their SoP of the Gop
so memes and cartoons also but very very few facts and no data as they hate facts and data

will they ever take personal responsibility for the attempt to overthrow our elected government ?
they say personal responsibility is important but never do it themselves just expect others to do so

BTW wth is THERMIDOR 2022 a wasted lobster in a cheesy mess?
an over priced fancy ice box ?
some frog revolting BS from long ago ?
some thing else ?



The Democrats have a numbers advantage... and that is, this isn't a year where ... at least in the Senate, there are many Democrat seats up for reelection. If the shoe was on the other foot, and a Republican were president, the inherent disadvantage against Republicans would be significant. It's something like 20+ Republican seats versus 13 Democrat seats that are up for election this cycle. This is a saving grace for Democrats, because all that aside, the momentum is NOT in favor of the Democrats.

We can look at a few aspects of this:

1 - COVID: The entire country has significant COVID fatigue. Even my most radically liberal friends in Coconut Grove that have kids who are transgender, they're not wearing masks anymore. They all start off with it when they come visit to see how each other feel about it, and then they all just agree to take it off and no one talks about it any further. No one, and I mean no one really cares about masks at this point, and when they do, it's only to keep up a facade'. The imposition (lockdowns, overreaction, etc.) that continues to happen in the left-leaning states, will have a dramatic impact on the upcoming election. At the absolute minimum, it will depress the left-leaning voters from actually getting out to vote.

2 - ECONOMY: The economy continues to slowly recoil. I'm not sure why, to be honest. I keep seeing the stock market go down, and as a result of the pandemic, everyone is suffering from a form of malaise that psychologists are calling "Languishing," which they blame for the "mass resignation." While that wouldn't seem like a bad thing (I'm certainly guilty of it, literally quit my job of over a decade on November 6th), many are not getting new jobs. It's NOT because they are independently wealthy, they're going into debt. 3rd and 4th quarter debt has sky-rocketed. And then there's the issue of inflation, supply-chain problems, and rising gas prices. These are all things that have *DIRECTLY* impacted the lower income and middle class families. The people who are making the decisions seem to have myopia... they are the SF / Chicago / NYC / Washington D.C. crowd who make at least $100k salaries, walk / ride-share to work, and eat out anyway. Their views are so dramatically skewed from how the rest of their voting constituency lives (middle and lower income). The poor are significantly worse-off under Biden right now, than they were under Trump... and at the very least, this will depress voter turn-out, possibly even convert a few. It's already had a 70% swing for independents.

3 - MALAISE: Suicides and drug abuse is way up... regardless of the how and why, the fact is that it's happening. People are not getting a good feeling for what's going on in the country. You know I love you Ray B, but they say a Democrat is never really happy. Even when they have their way, they're just less angry. Right now, the majority of the country thinks were on the wrong track, whether that's because we're not liberal enough, or Biden didn't pan out how they'd hoped... there is a significant malaise on the Democrat side. You see it all day long at Democratic Underground, and even my most die-hard Democrat friends are basically over it all.

4 - CRIME: Crime and homelessness is up dramatically in the cities, particularly in left-leaning cities. Drive through places like Austin, San Francisco, etc... and every highway underpass has a tent encampment under it. This is not something you see in Miami or cities that are largely conservative. All of this is directly impacting yet again... a majority of the Democrat constituency... which will depress voter turn out for Democrats, and possibly shift a few votes.

5 - ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION: Once again, we are providing services, money, and medical care to illegals, in addition to basically not prosecuting them. Yet at the same time, our own homeless and poor do not get any of these benefits. There's so much I can say about this... but I think we know the intent. Get as many people in as possible, make them citizens, promise them gifts, help elect Democrats forever.


I suspect the House gets taken by Republicans by 35-40 seats. I also suspect the Republicans take the Senate by 2 seats.

I think Biden does not run for reelection in 2024
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the only way the Gop can ''win'' is voter suppression

and they are doing exactly that where ever they can

truly the trump rump showed the dark side and their long term plans to limit who votes where they vote and when they vote to the MAX

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The left has the highest number of billionaire activists. They own the media narrative that's driving politics against the right. They own the judiciary.

The GOP knows it and is capitulating as much as needed to remain relevant. They're playing Prevent Defense and any football fan knows the rule of thumb; Prevent Defense prevents you from winning. So you get Mittons Romney, Juan McAmnesty, Ted Vampire Cruz, Marco Foam Party Rubio.

Trump ran on a real right position and won easily. Twice. Even though he abandoned the right.

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Originally posted by Hudini:

I forecast the Jan 6 Inquisition will produce their report sometime around the beginning of that election cycle. The brush will be large in the smear attempt. It will do little but piss more people off.


And right on cue the Demorat propaganda organ, CNN, proves you 100% CORRECT.


https://www.cnn.com/2022/01...january-6/index.html


"House Democrats' campaign arm is leaning into a strategy of linking Republicans to the January 6 insurrection amid the one-year anniversary of the US Capitol riot, even as some in the Democratic Party debate how much to talk about the deadly attack on the campaign trail.

The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee rolled out a new splash page on its website Thursday featuring a banner declaring that "Republicans incited an insurrection"

"The effort comes at the beginning of what is expected to be a challenging election year for Democrats in both the House and Senate. Many in the party believe it's imperative to continue highlighting the insurrection..."


..

The hard fact is that Demorats can't run on any legislative accomplishments because THEY DON'T HAVE ANY...

...and they can't run on any Brandon accomplishments because HE DOESN'T HAVE ANY...

...and their "BBB" boondoggle as well every other whackadoodle Marxist / socialist legislative plan they have are wildly unpopular with Americans in all polls...

...so, predictably, that leaves them only with the thin, bitter, gruel of trying stoke up their now worn out and tired "insurrection" lie machine.

"Russia Collusion" part deux"

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THERMIDOR 2022

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And right on cue the Demorat propaganda organ, CNN, proves you 100% CORRECT.


https://www.cnn.com/2022/01...january-6/index.html


"House Democrats' campaign arm is leaning into a strategy of linking Republicans to the January 6 insurrection amid the one-year anniversary of the US Capitol riot, even as some in the Democratic Party debate how much to talk about the deadly attack on the campaign trail.

The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee rolled out a new splash page on its website Thursday featuring a banner declaring that "Republicans incited an insurrection"

"The effort comes at the beginning of what is expected to be a challenging election year for Democrats in both the House and Senate. Many in the party believe it's imperative to continue highlighting the insurrection..."


The fact that Demorats can't run on any legislative accomplishments because THEY DON'T HAVE ANY...

...and they can't run on any Brandon accomplishments because HE DOESN'T HAVE ANY...

...and their "BBB" boondoggle as well every other whackadoodle Marxist / socialist legislative plan they have are wildly unpopular with Americans in all polls...

...predictably leaves them only with the thin, bitter, gruel of trying stoke up their now worn and tired "insurrection" lie machine.

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THERMIDOR 2022



It was horrible, nothing like it has ever happened in the history of our democracy.

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The Democrats have a numbers advantage... and that is, this isn't a year where ... at least in the Senate, there are many Democrat seats up for reelection. If the shoe was on the other foot, and a Republican were president, the inherent disadvantage against Republicans would be significant. It's something like 20+ Republican seats versus 13 Democrat seats that are up for election this cycle. This is a saving grace for Democrats, because all that aside, the momentum is NOT in favor of the Democrats.

We can look at a few aspects of this:

1 - COVID: The entire country has significant COVID fatigue. Even my most radically liberal friends in Coconut Grove that have kids who are transgender, they're not wearing masks anymore. They all start off with it when they come visit to see how each other feel about it, and then they all just agree to take it off and no one talks about it any further. No one, and I mean no one really cares about masks at this point, and when they do, it's only to keep up a facade'. The imposition (lockdowns, overreaction, etc.) that continues to happen in the left-leaning states, will have a dramatic impact on the upcoming election. At the absolute minimum, it will depress the left-leaning voters from actually getting out to vote.

2 - ECONOMY: The economy continues to slowly recoil. I'm not sure why, to be honest. I keep seeing the stock market go down, and as a result of the pandemic, everyone is suffering from a form of malaise that psychologists are calling "Languishing," which they blame for the "mass resignation." While that wouldn't seem like a bad thing (I'm certainly guilty of it, literally quit my job of over a decade on November 6th), many are not getting new jobs. It's NOT because they are independently wealthy, they're going into debt. 3rd and 4th quarter debt has sky-rocketed. And then there's the issue of inflation, supply-chain problems, and rising gas prices. These are all things that have *DIRECTLY* impacted the lower income and middle class families. The people who are making the decisions seem to have myopia... they are the SF / Chicago / NYC / Washington D.C. crowd who make at least $100k salaries, walk / ride-share to work, and eat out anyway. Their views are so dramatically skewed from how the rest of their voting constituency lives (middle and lower income). The poor are significantly worse-off under Biden right now, than they were under Trump... and at the very least, this will depress voter turn-out, possibly even convert a few. It's already had a 70% swing for independents.

3 - MALAISE: Suicides and drug abuse is way up... regardless of the how and why, the fact is that it's happening. People are not getting a good feeling for what's going on in the country. You know I love you Ray B, but they say a Democrat is never really happy. Even when they have their way, they're just less angry. Right now, the majority of the country thinks were on the wrong track, whether that's because we're not liberal enough, or Biden didn't pan out how they'd hoped... there is a significant malaise on the Democrat side. You see it all day long at Democratic Underground, and even my most die-hard Democrat friends are basically over it all.

4 - CRIME: Crime and homelessness is up dramatically in the cities, particularly in left-leaning cities. Drive through places like Austin, San Francisco, etc... and every highway underpass has a tent encampment under it. This is not something you see in Miami or cities that are largely conservative. All of this is directly impacting yet again... a majority of the Democrat constituency... which will depress voter turn out for Democrats, and possibly shift a few votes.

5 - ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION: Once again, we are providing services, money, and medical care to illegals, in addition to basically not prosecuting them. Yet at the same time, our own homeless and poor do not get any of these benefits. There's so much I can say about this... but I think we know the intent. Get as many people in as possible, make them citizens, promise them gifts, help elect Democrats forever.


I suspect the House gets taken by Republicans by 35-40 seats. I also suspect the Republicans take the Senate by 2 seats.

I think Biden does not run for reelection in 2024



You were probably too young to remember it but, except for Covid, you almost perfectly described the ONE TERM, feckless, Jimmy Carter administration.

You could have also added Brandon's shameful, catastrophic, Afghanistan surrender which parallels Carter's shameful "Iran Hostage Crisis".

Of course we know what president replaced Carter in a historic landslide.

...

It is also worth reminding you that 2 seats that Demorats picked up in 2021 during a special election (Arizona-Kelly and Georgia-Warnock) are both up for grabs this year and considering the ballot fiascos and voting laws "re-tightening" in both states I think we can likely expect "R's" to regain both of those seats handily.

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Originally posted by randye:

You were probably too young to remember it but, except for Covid, you almost perfectly described the ONE TERM, feckless, Jimmy Carter administration.

You could have also added Brandon's shameful, catastrophic, Afghanistan surrender which parallels Carter's shameful "Iran Hostage Crisis".

Of course we know what president replaced Carter in a historic landslide.

...

It is also worth reminding you that 2 seats that Demorats picked up in 2021 during a special election (Arizona-Kelly and Georgia-Warnock) are both up for grabs this year and considering the ballot fiascos and voting laws "re-tightening" in both states I think we can likely expect "R's" to regain both of those seats handily.




The Afghanistan thing is a whole other topic I didn't even want to get into... but needless to say, it will always be a very upsetting thing for me. 9/11 was something that changed me, and I had a different perspective in life after that. My deployment to Afghanistan in 2019 was for me, something where I felt I could give back and help close that chapter in America in whatever way I could try with my ability. The way Biden ended it, I will never forgive him... it resulted in turning 20 years of struggle into 20 years of failure. Because of the single action of one man's feckless behavior, we have absolutely nothing to show for 20 years except the death of 10s of thousands between the US, coalition allies, and citizens, including massive debt, and stolen technology.

But yeah, I was too young to remember. He was president when I was born, but the first president I remember was Ronald Reagan. The difference with Carter... he had four decades after he left to make a difference... using his name recognition and power of having been in office. Biden does not have this. Biden will have entered office, basically as a corrupt do-nothing politician his whole life, corrupt to the core, and will leave office ready for an assisted living facility. What will be his legacy aside from his failures as president? I wish that on no man... but he brought it on himself.

I completely forgot that those were special elections! We'll have to see... has Georgia officially implemented and passed that law? I thought it had been challenged in court and some of it was shot down?
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82, you have to accept that we all got duped by the crisis that 9-11-01 created. You got duped in a greater degree.

Afghanistan was always going to be a failure. That was known going in. That was your role. The legacy is heroine, poppy fields, hundreds of thousands of dead addicts and currently addicted Americans that the West fostered. The Taliban had almost eliminated the production anywhere they held power. The USA allowed cultivation and it flourished as they promoted rival factions that relied on heroine production. We were not the good guys there or in Iraq.

The 'refugees' pouring into Europe escaping the turmoil was a desired effect to replace the native population and culture. That was your job as a serviceman; to help drive that effect.

Now fentanyl has largely supplemented or replaced heroine here at home, and our government allows that to cross the Sourhern border with the invading illegals. They encourage that.

If servicemen were supposed to fight for freedom, then the border would've been guarded while you were invading another nation and spreading liberalism. But open borders were a Republican initiative.

Biden didn't chit on your service legacy. You did the job they wanted. But illegals do the job now, muling drugs from Mexico. A service man's job was also to spend us trillions into debt to bankers while those illegals poured across the border at home. Biden doesn't make those calls you're holding against him.

You have to realize your role, and accept your decision helped gov do this to all of us. Now Republicans are introducing efforts or crying to bring more Afghan refugees here. Liberals everywhere want this. But they, like you, don't realize who gave them this wound that they cry over. It was the American serviceman. The sting you're feeling isn't from Biden.

I was duped for a year, maybe. It was all the illegals showing up and driving through my city that woke me up.
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Per the midterms.

My prediction is that the Dems will once again win by a landslide. The people on the Right won't show up en masse to vote. We already know that the system is rigged. We've already lost because there was no real stand up when the Left cheated their way into the last election. If every single Republican voter showed up to vote, the Left would just "find" a few thousand more votes at 4am.

It doesn't matter what happens. The media won't report on it if it would effect the Left negatively, and will talk about it nonstop if it'll hurt the Right.
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Per the midterms.

My prediction is that the Dems will once again win by a landslide. The people on the Right won't show up en masse to vote. We already know that the system is rigged. We've already lost because there was no real stand up when the Left cheated their way into the last election. If every single Republican voter showed up to vote, the Left would just "find" a few thousand more votes at 4am.

It doesn't matter what happens. The media won't report on it if it would effect the Left negatively, and will talk about it nonstop if it'll hurt the Right.


There are too many retiring Dems to allow me to think that will happen again.

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There are too many retiring Dems to allow me to think that will happen again.




The two biggest mistakes that Leftists always make are:

A. Their delusional belief that their numbers among the US population are much larger than they actually are. (they aren't)

B. Their delusional belief that their Marxist / socialist agenda is widely embraced. (it isn't)


My personal prediction:

Congressional Demorats, (most especially House Demorats), are going to use the months remaining between now and next November as their "do or die" moment and are going to push HARD on their socialist agenda, including "SCOTUS packing", statehood for D.C., federal control over elections, and a few other items they see as key to consolidating power for years to come.

Like "BBB" and other Brandon agenda items they will be obviously forestalled because they simply don't have Senate votes to get them through. Sinema and Manchin to name just two, but other "Ds" up for reelection in "unsafe" districts are not going to be seriously rocking the boat back home.

Foolish moves like D.C. statehood and federal election control would run up against an immediate wall of Constitutional challenges and resultant failure anyway.

That won't stop them trying, but it will more than help cement voter opposition against them, especially with independent voters who make up that all important "center".


THE ONLY THING that Demorats have to run on in 2022 is their bitter "January 6 platform" which they just "unveiled" yesterday and due to their "Russia Collusion" and impeachment bullshittery from years prior, they're now firmly seen as "The party that cried wolf" so it's a poor excuse for a platform to run on but "They neither know nor have anything better."

Hate, resentment and revenge isn't a political platform that rational Americans are going to vote for, especially when they can't afford gas, groceries, electricity, clothes or a home.

Brandon babbled about "kitchen table issues" during his 2020 campaign but all that many Americans have now is a bare table, empty wallets, constant supply shortages and endless Covid fear mongering.

If I were running a midterm Congressional campaign, the slogan would simply be a slight modification of Reagan's famous slogan;

"Are you better off now than you were a year ago?"

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THERMIDOR 2022

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Republicans will walk away winners by a large degree. Democrat voters are upset at the inaction, progressives are actively against Democrats. Republicans are still (unfortunately) mostly united under Trump.

I expect some Trumpian candidates to win in primaries against incumbents, but not all.
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the only way the Gop can ''win'' is voter suppression

and they are doing exactly that where ever they can


Define "voter suppression". Really, what the ruck does that mean ?

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Republicans are still (unfortunately) mostly united under Trump.


Which other Republican would you prefer them to be united under ?
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Trump is popular because he's seen as anti to the typical D.C. phony party system.

He isn't the real thing though. He sucks but voters are stupid and easily manipulated to not vote in their best interests. He just stands tall compared to establishment candidates.

The Dems have been very active and effective at the goals they've sold out to. That's why they'll lose heavily down the ticket.

Dems have been very active and effective at their goals of dismantling our society. It's their platform. The GOP platform is, I wish it was different, but ok, I'll go along with destroying our society if it's done slower than the Dems are doing it. I just don't want people to be able to see it so clearly.

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Which other Republican would you prefer them to be united under ?


Justin Amash would’ve been my pick before he changed parties, but that’s probably a little too “on the nose” since I’m a Libertarian

Peter Meijer isn’t old enough, but I’m watching his career with interest.

I was a fan of Rand Paul for awhile, but he’s gone down the rabbit hole himself now and is unreliable.

Others are retiring because of how they’ve been treated by fellow Republicans. Adam Kinzinger would’ve been interesting to see in a leadership role.

The way I see it, Democrats are currently in a war between Democrats and Progressives. Republicans had their war between the Republicans and Trumpians already, and the Trumpians won. So there aren’t that many left that I’d support.
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Justin Amash would’ve been my pick before he changed parties, but that’s probably a little too “on the nose” since I’m a Libertarian

Peter Meijer isn’t old enough, but I’m watching his career with interest.

I was a fan of Rand Paul for awhile, but he’s gone down the rabbit hole himself now and is unreliable.

Others are retiring because of how they’ve been treated by fellow Republicans. Adam Kinzinger would’ve been interesting to see in a leadership role.

The way I see it, Democrats are currently in a war between Democrats and Progressives. Republicans had their war between the Republicans and Trumpians already, and the Trumpians won. So there aren’t that many left that I’d support.


So you are a Libertarian that's trying to figure out if you support the Democrats or Republicans?

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Define "voter suppression". Really, what the ruck does that mean ?


many many things LIKE GERRYMANDERS

legal suppression make it harder to vote by rules
one must register far in advance
one must prove a legal residence
have papers to prove the above
one can only vote at limited places and times
often moved or in remote locations
texas had a only ONE drop of box per county
poll watchers to challenge some voters
in the past there were tests or fees poll taxes to limit votes
LONGER AGO ONLY MONEYED CLASSES COULD VOTE
and groups were organized to terrorize people of color to prevent them voting

WHAT IT REALLY MEANS
IS THE Gop CAN'T WIN A FREE FAIR ELECTION

SO THEY CHEAT WITH RULES AND REGULATIONS
NOT ALLOWING FELONS TO VOTE IS A GOOD EXAMPLE
COMPLEX RULES AND MULTIPLE SIGNATURES ON A MAIL IN BALLOT IS AN OTHER

THE Gop WANTS FEWER VOTES NOT MORE
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JFK election. Stolen from GOP's Richard Nixon.

Joseph Brandon. Stolen election.

Violent felons, do we want them voting? I'm ok with non-violent felons voting. Unless they're habitual offenders.

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AVG USA election has 5 to 50 % voter turn out
of the registered voters who are far less then the number of citizens

the Gop want less voters
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I want more voters and fewer ballots.

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The GOP sucks because they allow the Dems to take the lead on destroying America. They don't offer an opposing alternative. As long as they can point the finger at the Dems for being the worst offenders, they'll go along with the destruction.
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So you are a Libertarian that's trying to figure out if you support the Democrats or Republicans?


I won’t vote for another Republican until they denounce Trumpian fascism. The Republican Party lost me as a voter, along with many other moderates, when they refused to listen to or even consider their vote in Trump’s impeachment.

So no I’m not really trying to figure out who I support. I don’t support the Democrats, but when a moderate Democrat is an option, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
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But the Democrats will vote for any socialist/communist who promises a handout to all who vote for them. Alway easy to spend someone else's money.
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Trump is not fascist. People don't even know what the word means. He's a civic nationalist, constantly touting how minorities have never done better than under his admin. Never once will any politician say anything in support of White people.

Haven't we been economic fascists since (especially since) W? When private companies fail and the losses are spread to the taxpayer, but when they succeed they get to keep their profits, isn't that already fascism?
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I won’t vote for another Republican until they denounce Trumpian fascism. The Republican Party lost me as a voter, along with many other moderates, when they refused to listen to or even consider their vote in Trump’s impeachment.

So no I’m not really trying to figure out who I support. I don’t support the Democrats, but when a moderate Democrat is an option, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.


jeez louis, trump isn't a fascist. Does anyone read history anymore? Biden is more closely aligned with a fascist dictator than trump ever was. Just damn.

fascism
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noun

A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, a capitalist economy subject to stringent governmental controls, violent suppression of the opposition, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.

A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.

Oppressive, dictatorial control.


Describes the Democrats very well. Except replace the nationalism with globalism.

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I’m a Libertarian





Your long history of racist, pro social justice whining on this forum sure as hell screams otherwise.

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jeez louis, trump isn't a fascist. Does anyone read history anymore? Biden is more closely aligned with a fascist dictator than trump ever was. Just damn.



I've said it many times on this forum; "Most people have the ideological IQ of a tree stump."

People like "BDub" can't actually discern a fascist from a Fig Newton.

It's just a pejorative word for them to express their dislike of someone.

They don't have any real understanding of, and can't coherently articulate, the ideologies of fascism, Marxism / socialism or even classic liberalism or conservatism.

As a glaring example, "BDub" in this thread claims that he is a "Libertarian", yet we have all been witness to his innumerable racist, pro social justice screeds which are in DIRECT OPPOSITION TO THE CORE PRINCIPLES OF LIBERTARIAN IDEOLOGY,

(e.g. Libertarians have been hostile to the concept of social justice since at least 1960 with Friedrich Hayek’s "The Constitution of Liberty" and Robert Nozick’s "Anarchy, State, and Utopia" (1974) )....Both of those books probably well before "BDub" was ever born.

The reason that so many people now "have the ideological IQ of a tree stump" is that they are almost completely "unlettered", a/k/a poorly or marginally educated, ignorant.

They think they know what ideology they, (and by extension others), hold to without ever once having studied it's philosophy.

They are also the people that David Dunning and Justin Kruger point to and say "See, We told you so!"

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Violent felons, do we want them voting? I'm ok with non-violent felons voting. Unless they're habitual offenders.



If you add to that sentiment: "non-violent felons that have completed their prison sentences including probation time", then I'll listen to argument, otherwise the idea of prisoners voting from state and federal prisons is pure insanity.
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many many things LIKE GERRYMANDERS


in the past there were tests or fees poll taxes to limit votes
LONGER AGO ONLY MONEYED CLASSES COULD VOTE
and groups were organized to terrorize people of color to prevent them voting



Democrats, the word you are looking for here is Democrats. This is a thing that Democrats did, and Republicans put a stop to.

You are welcome.
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Democrats, the word you are looking for here is Democrats. This is a thing that Democrats did, and Republicans put a stop to.

You are welcome.




Please allow me to help illustrate your, (correct), point:

A group of Demorats posing:



From freeing the Demorat's slaves all the way to civil rights legislation, the Republican party has led the way in righting wrongs.


Oh and "that Civil War thing"....that is STILL the only real insurrection that ever happened in this country and that was Demorats.

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jeez louis, trump isn't a fascist. Does anyone read history anymore? Biden is more closely aligned with a fascist dictator than trump ever was. Just damn.

fascism
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noun

A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, a capitalist economy subject to stringent governmental controls, violent suppression of the opposition, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.

A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.

Oppressive, dictatorial control.


Describes the Democrats very well. Except replace the nationalism with globalism.


From where I sit, it describes Trump and his ilk perfectly.
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I've said it many times on this forum; "Most people have the ideological IQ of a tree stump."

People like "BDub" can't actually discern a fascist from a Fig Newton.

It's just a pejorative word them to express their dislike of someone.

They don't have any real understanding of, and can't coherently articulate, the ideologies of fascism, Marxism / socialism or even classic liberalism or conservatism.

As a glaring example, "BDub" in this thread claims that he is a "Libertarian", yet we have all been witness to his innumerable racist, pro social justice screeds which are in DIRECT OPPOSITION TO THE CORE PRINCIPLES OF LIBERTARIAN IDEOLOGY,

(e.g. Libertarians have been hostile to the concept of social justice since at least 1960 with Friedrich Hayek’s "The Constitution of Liberty" and Robert Nozick’s "Anarchy, State, and Utopia" (1974) )....Both of those books probably well before "BDub" was ever born.

The reason that so many people now "have the ideological IQ of a tree stump" is that they are almost completely "unlettered", a/k/a poorly or marginally educated, ignorant.

They think they know what ideology they, (and by extension others), hold to without ever once having studied it's philosophy.

They are also the people that David Dunning and Justin Kruger point to and say "See, We told you so!"



As someone who has been a card-carrying member of the LP for many years, I’m fairly confident in my understanding of our platform. I also have a very firm foundation for my beliefs, all stemming from a strong sense of personal Liberty.

It’s not something you would understand.
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If you add to that sentiment: "non-violent felons that have completed their prison sentences including probation time", then I'll listen to argument, otherwise the idea of prisoners voting from state and federal prisons is pure insanity.


Mostly, I agree and that was my position on sentences served. I'm more flexible on probation (yeah, it's part of the sentence). But then again, we're moving away from incarceration for some offenders, so...yeah, I'm still flexible on probationary convicts.
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About 15 years ago my youngest sister of around 17 was wearing a Santana shirt at Mom's house.

I said, "Oh, you like Santana?"

She responded that "It's a new band, you wouldn't understand them."

You see randye, you just wouldn't understand the ins and outs of the Libertarian Party. It's cool and hip, and goes with the least offensive Politicians available. They are OK with Communism, as long as it's not that mean tweater. Join them about two months before the next Presidential election when they will once again push forward someone you've never heard of before and profess them the greatest thing since sliced bread!
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