Go read it you will want to puke as you won't be able to drive the fiero unless you make it Electric no more cool sounding exhaust note and that is just one small thing so if you like your freedom to choose what you eat drive and on and on go read it to see how it will affect you on what you like to do !
As silly as this program sounded when presented to the public, eventually our species must move to other energy sources and improve our efficiency in using energy.
Eventually fossil fuels will either be depleted or be too expensive to access.
As stupid as the rollout of this agenda was done, there is still a need to develop the energy sources that our heirs will be using.
As silly as this program sounded when presented to the public, eventually our species must move to other energy sources and improve our efficiency in using energy.
Eventually fossil fuels will either be depleted or be too expensive to access.
As stupid as the rollout of this agenda was done, there is still a need to develop the energy sources that our heirs will be using.
We just need to be practical in the way we do it.
I think that's what we are doing. Remember, Gasoline is an alternative fuel.
As better things are developed the oil companies buy up the patents..... I mean they release them to the public so the winner can be decided with our pocketbooks.
Unfortunately, the Government gets involved and picks the winners... Even though the "winners" are usually the crappy option. We don't allow Capitalism to exist, and then the left whines that Capitalism is destroying us....
the problem's i see with the green new deal is they want the government to take over by providing jobs and telling people what they can eat as they want to get rid of cows that fart and give everyone money weather you work or not even if you do not want to work but have no reason for you to not work other than you just don't feel like it that is socialism i get up everyday just like millions of Americans and go to work to make our lives better not give our money away and freedoms away .
"As stupid as the rollout of this agenda was done, there is still a need to develop the energy sources that our heirs will be using."
There are other energy sources already available. Problem is not everyone is willing to use them. There is water generated power thats been around for 100 years, wind power, solar power and nuclear power. All of those are non expendable.
i will say sure we do need to do something for energy but not government owned I could see saying by 2030 all production of new cars will be electric but that's not what they are saying though they just want to stop using fossil fuel completely by 2030 that is insane and much more to turn our country into a socialist country
To be clear, the Democratic proposal as they stated it is ridiculous.
There are other technologies available to produce energy (primarily electricity) as Roger stated, but that doesn't mean that we should ignore our dependence on fossil fuel for moving products and personal transportation.
The government should keep out of the solution, and let the free market begin to develop viable alternatives. The sooner the technologies are brought to market, the easier the transition will be, and the longer the supply of fossil fuels will be viable.
The Democratic proposal wants to take over if you read it they are going to provide job's to everyone and pay the those who can't work and that is ok but when it has in it they will pay those who are unwilling to work that is BS and want to tell me what i can and cannot have to eat such as red meat and there is no way with the scale of this it could be pulled off due to not enough skilled labor. lets just look at electricity you will need to rebuild the grid redo every house in the north heat build new wind solar and hydro plants on a massive scale put charging stations up all over for the Electric cars and i am sure much much more and they want it iin 10 years no way
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same source cities ranging from Orlando to St. Louis to San Francisco to Portland, Oregon, have pledged to run entirely on renewable energy. Those places are much larger than Georgetown, of course, and no one would expect misty Portland to power a light bulb for long with solar energy, which is crucial to Georgetown’s success.
Georgetown’s decision to become the first city in the Lone Star State to be powered by 100% renewable energy, ...
When Georgetown's staff examined their options last year, they discovered something that seemed remarkable, especially in Texas: renewable energy was cheaper than non-renewable. And so last month city officials finalised a deal with SunEdison, a giant multinational solar energy company. It means that by January 2017, all electricity within the city’s service area will come from wind and solar power.
GEORGETOWN, Texas (KXAN) — Georgetown city leaders are working to address the many concerns people have about the current challenges with the city's energy contracts and the increased cost to buying power.
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"We have more energy than we actually need or demand," Morgan said. "Because we're a growing city, we contracted for more than we needed today in order to make sure we planned for the future. Because of a depressed energy market, we have experienced higher costs than we anticipated because of some clear excess to the market.
A depressed energy market ? People are using less ?
Because of some clear excess to the market ?
What has happened in Georgetown is that they contracted to buy more than they need to guarantee enough energy for future growth, an excess now. When there is an excess in oil and gas production, costs come down.
AOC has not hidden the fact that she wants to revert to Socialism. That's not going to happen very quickly, but some thoughts on some of her other initiatives. She has said that she wants to eliminate all fossil fuel use. This would put millions of people out of work. All of the coal and gas industry, the pipeline supply network employees, electric power plants, except for hydro and nuclear plants. She wants to eliminate automobiles and airplanes and go to high-speed rail but no one has considered how to get from rural area to rural area.
She wants to do this very rapidly. To do this rapidly, and by rapidly, I mean within 10-20 years would probably cause a collapse of our economy. I see this as a backdoor way into Socialism. With so many people out of jobs and no jobs to be had or created, government dependence would be the end result.
AOC has not hidden the fact that she wants to revert to Socialism. That's not going to happen very quickly, but some thoughts on some of her other initiatives. She has said that she wants to eliminate all fossil fuel use. This would put millions of people out of work. All of the coal and gas industry, the pipeline supply network employees, electric power plants, except for hydro and nuclear plants. She wants to eliminate automobiles and airplanes and go to high-speed rail but no one has considered how to get from rural area to rural area.
She wants to do this very rapidly. To do this rapidly, and by rapidly, I mean within 10-20 years would probably cause a collapse of our economy. I see this as a backdoor way into Socialism. With so many people out of jobs and no jobs to be had or created, government dependence would be the end result.
Ok, first I must say that I do not support this proposal or the people who proposed it. But that being said: I don't agree with your argument against it. No jobs?? Quite the opposite, converting EVERY "dirty fuel" machine or device in America over to some type of "clean" energy then replacement and or creating "clean energy mass transit" Nation wide will create or (retrain, re-educate ) change carriers and vocations of more jobs than a 3rd World War. Think about it, EVERYTHING that currently runs on dirty fuel will need to be replaced or converted. Who will manufacture all those weed eater, lawn mowers and on and on and on........? The argument I make is that it is just simply impossible. That's it, not rocket science. Simply eliminating dirty fuels and replacing the dirty equipment is physically impossible,....EVEN if 100% of Americans want to do it.
None of this is going against what you wrote. Only thinking out loud here...
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AOC has not hidden the fact that she wants to revert to Socialism. That's not going to happen very quickly, but some thoughts on some of her other initiatives.
Time is a fickle thing. Remember when less than twenty years ago we could fly with our deodorant?
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She has said that she wants to eliminate all fossil fuel use. This would put millions of people out of work. All of the coal and gas industry, the pipeline supply network employees, electric power plants, except for hydro and nuclear plants.
She does want to rid nuclear from our energy table. Part of the New Green Deal is using nuclear only long enough to create yet uninvented energy sources. No shat.
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She wants to eliminate automobiles and airplanes and go to high-speed rail but no one has considered how to get from rural area to rural area.
They call for the ban of fossil fuels within ten years. Not the ban on cars. Just gas burners.
No one has considered anything. They just "feel".
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She wants to do this very rapidly. To do this rapidly, and by rapidly, I mean within 10-20 years would probably cause a collapse of our economy. I see this as a backdoor way into Socialism. With so many people out of jobs and no jobs to be had or created, government dependence would be the end result.
Ten years. Ten years is the goal of this New Green Deal. Heck, we only have twelve years before the world ends per A.O.C.
All of what you have written can be applied to other happenings throughout history. A "slow invasion". What I bring forth is this is an invasion like no other. And, it is not only a socialistic invasion of thoughts and policies. It is an invasion of persons used against persons. Our Democratic Party neighbors are not our enemies. I wish that more could see this. We should not be against each other in such childish ways.
Again, just finished doing our neighbors snow. Several feet in the past few days. No snow blower. Kind of exciting!
You want to eliminate something you build something better across the street and let people decide. Putting the government in charge of everything will land most of us in servitude against our will. Sure its all you don't want to work well you don't have to, today. Then they will need you and will create a job for you, your not going to like it but it beats the alternative. But the majority of sheeple will just swallow and move on thinking its not that bad.
Then one day....
civ·il warDictionary result for civil war /ˌsivil ˈwô(ə)r/Submit noun a war between citizens of the same country.
This will lead to us looking weak and there are organizations that are waiting for just that. The part of this country that remained as our forefathers envisioned will be prepared. Lets hope its enough.
AOC new green deal is a farce. Who in the government could manage such a program. Who in the government has ever managed or been successful in managing any program without blowing their budget. In AOC's case there would be an infinite budget to manage which, in her case suggested just print more dollars, which is what Venezuela did and their money is worthless. The US already has inflation issues. I'm old enough to remember when a new car (an inexpensive one) would cost $2000, now a similar car is $20,000. Those that support a socialist agenda, have no clue as to the mess it would create. But the allure of free stuff is too much for some as well as the issues with the "undocumented" coming in that have no skills, then collect welfare etc. She is the sad commentary on the education system in the US today.
The Senate announced today they will be voting on the bill.
There needs to be a bit of clarification on this.
OAC, (a/k/a "She Guevara"), actually proposed a resolution, not a bill.
Even IF passed, (and it won't be), it has no effect as law.
Considering that "She Guevara" is not the sharpest tool in the D shed, as well as being the political equivalent of a child with wildly uncontrolled ADHD, she likely thought they said she was proposing a "revolution" instead of a resolution.
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AOC new green deal is a farce. Who in the government could manage such a program. Who in the government has ever managed or been successful in managing any program without blowing their budget. In AOC's case there would be an infinite budget to manage which, in her case suggested just print more dollars, which is what Venezuela did and their money is worthless. The US already has inflation issues. I'm old enough to remember when a new car (an inexpensive one) would cost $2000, now a similar car is $20,000. Those that support a socialist agenda, have no clue as to the mess it would create. But the allure of free stuff is too much for some as well as the issues with the "undocumented" coming in that have no skills, then collect welfare etc. She is the sad commentary on the education system in the US today.
Ok, let me offer this as some type of "reason to the madness" (keep in mind that I do not support the idiotic idea that they are proposing, I am EXTREMELY skeptical of EVERYTHING the liberals offer up) The " global warming, global climate change proponents and other various diehard wackos" have been pushing for environmental cleanup in a package with global wealth distribution for years now. It has infected the World like syphilis. Those that believe in the theory dance with the Harlot at the same time they know what they are doing is dirty. SOOOO, the only answer to their infidelity is to blame others and Dooley and harshly punish them. In this case, the "sin" is excess and environmental harm, the cure is taxes and laws. For the most part, their efforts have been more of a nuisance than a life-changing environment saving policy and change in culture. So in frustration, legislation like this gets proposed as an effort to accomplish the insane goal. They ask for the moon hoping to get forests and trees instead. The answer to their craziness is to just deny it ALL, don't give them the moon, don't give them the forests, don't give them the trees, don't give them anything. What they are asking for is attention and money, the amount is insanely high, because they are hoping to meet somewhere in the middle and get something for nothing.
Tony and Rickady, I think she did say that her plan was to eliminate all vehicles and planes. I gathered that meant that they would not be replaced since she said she wanted to replace them with rapid rail. In her 10 year time frame, I don't believe everyone could be retrained, especially since they would need to continue with their current vocation in order to survive. Now, for replacing those lawnmowers and weed eaters, there's cows and goats, but then comes the problem of Methane. Solar powered mowers and weed eaters? Lithium battery powered devices? A major pollution source of heavy metals.
I believe that those who promote Socialism are of two types. Those that think they will be in control, and those that expect to be getting free stuff. Those that know they will be the ones producing the stuff to give to others are most likely Conservatives.
Tony and Rickady, I think she did say that her plan was to eliminate all vehicles and planes.
This one of the impossible issues with the plan. This will never happen as long as there is a demand for them. Somebody will provide them, even if they brake the law or ignore the law. For example: Obama ignored immigration laws through his entire 8 years. Another example of lawlessness and Anarchy is sanctuary cities and states. Another example of ignoring law is legalization of marijuana either for recreational or medical use is still federally against the law. Legislators can make all the laws they want but that does not guarantee the laws will be followed. This is becoming more and more evident as different generations of politicians come through.
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I gathered that meant that they would not be replaced since she said she wanted to replace them with rapid rail.
This is just an example of an immature person in a powerful position. She will learn that she's not going to get her way, it's a steep learning curve and,.. just common sense. It will not happen and is impossible to impose on America.
BTW, SHAME on her Congressional colleagues for not showing her the ropes and letting her dangle in the wind with her extra rope.
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In her 10 year time frame, I don't believe everyone could be retrained, especially since they would need to continue with their current vocation in order to survive.
I used to build tires for Pirelli North America, the factory closed and I had a new career in a TOTALLY different field 9 months later. If I can do it, anybody can do it. People will do what they need to do to take care of a family and pay bills. They will get retrained, adapt and overcome.
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CFL CYCLE Now, for replacing those lawnmowers and weed eaters, there's cows and goats, but then comes the problem of Methane. Solar powered mowers and weed eaters? Lithium battery powered devices? A major pollution source of heavy metals.
Don't assume that electricity is the only replacement for "dirty fuels". LPG and natural gas are both Clean Energy Fuels. Converting dirty machines to clean is potentially the next Industrial Revolution. Don't tell them that though. And don't assume America will just give up the convenience of the dirty machines, people by nature look for an easy way to get what they want. They won't give up on the easy life that machines provide for us by doing our hard work. If the Government takes something away from us, we simply replace it with something else.
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I believe that those who promote Socialism are of two types. Those that think they will be in control, and those that expect to be getting free stuff. Those that know they will be the ones producing the stuff to give to others are most likely Conservatives.
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