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The Five Pillars Of Mueller-gate: A Mereonomic Analysis. by rinselberg
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I try to come up with something sweet for the Subject field of any new discussion Topic.

I considered going with "The Mueller Investigation in Five Part Harmony."

Chances are, you're not going to like this. But you may want to look at it as if it were a page stolen from the Other Team's playbook.

There are five parts to the Mueller investigation:
  1. Business deals and money laundering involving Trump or the Trump entourage
  2. Russian Disinformation operations
  3. Active Russian cyber intrusions
  4. Contacts between the Trump campaign and Russian operatives
  5. Obstruction of justice on the part of President Trump or his associates

It's a new report in WIRED, from Garret M. Graff, the author of Raven Rock and Threat Matrix.


-> I want to read this new report in WIRED, under the title of "Bob Mueller's investigation is larger--and further along--than you think."
Click to show

-> Reading is such a bore. I'd rather see an on-air video segment with CNN's Don Lemon and Garret M. Graffe.
Click to show

-> Piss Off.
Click to show

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I don't see anything those pillars that mentions Clinton.... Just Trump.

Nothing but a Ken Starr style witch hunt, as I see it.

It's been well over a year, hundreds of millions of tax payer dollars spent, with a 2,500 employee based investigation team.

They still trying to find a bj somewhere?

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Originally posted by Wichita:

I don't see anything those pillars that mentions Clinton.... Just Trump.

Nothing but a Ken Starr style witch hunt, as I see it.

It's been well over a year, hundreds of millions of tax payer dollars spent, with a 2,500 employee based investigation team.

They still trying to find a bj somewhere?


It is obvious that there is nothing to a Russian/Trump investigation. But for those that are "never Trump", ANYTHING that is anti-Trump is welcome and validated as truth. Not to mention that this is the best form of revenge for the the investigations into clinton.
This is actually good news when you stop and think about it, this is all they got? Yes "collusion" is all they got.
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I doubt that Paul Manafort, Rick Gates or "National Security Advisor For 24 Days" Mike Flynn would be so dismissive of the Mueller investigation, as is Mr Rick Ady from the House of 88GT.


As far as Bill and Hillary Clinton, there is a report that is expected to come out, before this summer is fully underway, from the Inspector General for the Department of Justice, which may have more to say about the FBI's Obama-era investigation of Hillary Clinton's private email server and or other Clinton-related matters.

I don't know how much of that report will be made public.

If I understand it correctly, the authorization for Special Counsel Bob Mueller puts Trump on his "plate", but not Hillary Clinton. If Mueller, during the course of his investigations, has unexpectedly discovered anything about Hillary Clinton that is not already known at DOJ, I think that he would have a responsibility to report that to his own supervisor at DOJ, Rod Rosenstein. But it would not be within his proper scope to do anything about it directly, himself. Just report it to Rod Rosenstein.

Mueller will have more to say about "things." When will that happen? I think it likely depends, in part, on whether and when an agreement is reached for President Trump to be interviewed in some way by Mueller and his staff. Or when Mueller decides that he does not want to go any further on that, if what are reported as the ongoing negotiations about it involving Trump's lawyers do not conclude with an agreement.

That's just my "take" on it.

In terms of where the Mueller investigation finally stands, I wouldn't be shocked to see President Trump himself cleared of any wrongdoing. But I also wouldn't be shocked to see President Trump named and described in Mueller's report as a UICC--an unindicted co-conspirator--regarding some allegedly nefarious activities involving Russian operatives, either in the political-electoral sphere, or in the international money laundering sphere, or in both such spheres.

HAGO.

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

I doubt that Paul Manafort, Rick Gates or former National Security Advisor Michael T. Flynn would be so dismissive of the Mueller investigation, as is Mr Rick Ady from the House of 88GT.


As far as Bill and Hillary Clinton, there is a report that is expected to come out, before this summer is fully underway, from the Inspector General for the Department of Justice, which may have more to say about the FBI's Obama-era investigation of Hillary Clinton's private email server and or other Clinton-related matters.

I don't know how much of that report will be made public.

If I understand it correctly, the authorization for Special Counsel Bob Mueller puts Trump on his "plate", but not Hillary Clinton. If Mueller, during the course of his investigations, has unexpectedly discovered anything about Hillary Clinton that is not already known at DOJ, I think that he would have a responsibility to report that to his own supervisor at DOJ, Rod Rosenstein. But it would not be within his proper scope to do anything about it directly, himself. Just report it to Rod Rosenstein.

Mueller will have more to say about "things." When will that happen? I think it likely depends, in part, on whether and when an agreement is reached for President Trump to be interviewed in some way by Mueller and his staff. Or when Mueller decides that he does not want to go any further on that, if what are reported as the ongoing negotiations about it involving Trump's lawyers do not conclude with an agreement.

That's just my "take" on it.

In terms of where the Mueller investigation finally stands, I wouldn't be shocked to see President Trump himself cleared of any wrongdoing. But I also wouldn't be shocked to see President Trump named and described in Mueller's report as a UICC--an unindicted co-conspirator--regarding some allegedly nefarious activities involving Russian operatives, either in the political-electoral sphere, or in the international money laundering sphere, or in both such spheres.

HAGO.



This is simple, IF any investigation had acual substance rather than political motivation, then we would know about it by now. So what do we know,.....? We know it is all made up and no charges have been filled and never will. At least not credible charges.
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Originally posted by rinselberg:

That's just my "take" on it.

In terms of where the Mueller investigation finally stands, I wouldn't be shocked to see President Trump himself cleared of any wrongdoing. But I also wouldn't be shocked to see President Trump named and described in Mueller's report as a UICC--an unindicted co-conspirator--regarding some allegedly nefarious activities involving Russian operatives, either in the political-electoral sphere, or in the international money laundering sphere, or in both such spheres.



Translation:

Ronald is attempting to tip toe away from all of his banal bleating and puerile prognostications over the past year.

His fevered fantasies of impeachment for "collusion" or "obstruction" are evaporating as fast as his vote recount, faithless electors and 25th Amendment dreams did.


 
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This is simple, IF any investigation had acual substance rather than political motivation, then we would know about it by now. So what do we know,.....? We know it is all made up and no charges have been filled and never will. At least not credible charges.


Ronald is faced with a argument that he cannot rebut factually or honestly, but also cannot accept because it directly conflicts with his core leftist belief.

He grasps at the thin, imaginary straw of "unindicted co-conspirator" to keep his fading hope alive for now.

Accepting reality is especially hard for lefties, particularly when it directly conflicts with how they think things should be.

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That's what President Nixon said. "One year of Watergate is enough." He said that during his last State of the Union address. Before the end of that year (1974), he was persuaded by the Republicans in Congress to resign before the end of his second term--and before he would otherwise have been subjected to an Impeachment Trial in the Senate.

I don't fully understand why anyone would want to get out so far in front of their skis (so to speak) on the Mueller investigation.

I just said that "I wouldn't be shocked if President Trump were named and described as an unindicted co-conspirator." Whenever Mueller has more to say. I wouldn't be shocked if Mueller comes out with more indictments, and indicts one or more persons that he has not already indicted. Maybe Jared Kushner.

But I also said that I wouldn't be shocked if Mueller clears the President himself of any wrongdoings.

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

I don't fully understand why anyone would want to get out so far in front of their skis (so to speak) on the Mueller investigation.



Of course that didn't stop YOU for one nanosecond in doing exactly that did it?

 
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If I understand it correctly, the authorization for Special Counsel Bob Mueller puts Trump on his "plate", but not Hillary Clinton. If Mueller, during the course of his investigations, has unexpectedly discovered anything about Hillary Clinton that is not already known at DOJ, I think that he would have a responsibility to report that to his own supervisor at DOJ, Rod Rosenstein. But it would not be within his proper scope to do anything about it directly, himself. Just report it to Rod Rosenstein.

In terms of where the Mueller investigation finally stands, I wouldn't be shocked to see President Trump himself cleared of any wrongdoing. But I also wouldn't be shocked to see President Trump named and described in Mueller's report as a UICC--an unindicted co-conspirator--regarding some allegedly nefarious activities involving Russian operatives, either in the political-electoral sphere, or in the international money laundering sphere, or in both such spheres.





You're a sad, pathetic clown Ronald.

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I never said anything about challenging the voter tabulations (recounts), or faithless electors. I probably have made a reference on this forum, to the 25th Amendment, but just that. A reference to it. No more or hardly any more than that.

Why make any kind of point here, if you can't also be a Rectal Orifice about it at the same time?

That is for "he who shall not be named."

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

I try to come up with something sweet for the Subject field of any new discussion Topic.


You misspelled "moronic".
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Originally posted by olejoedad:

That is exactly how I feel about it. About the Mueller investigation. About Donald Trump. About so many things that are connected--fairly in many instances and perhaps unfairly in other instances--to Donald Trump.

Nothing goes better with all of this than buttered popcorn. Perhaps not the most highly touted food product to be having, according to the healthy living and dietary nutrition gurus, but I've never thought that pursuing longevity by exercising a monk-like restraint in life is an idea that I would personally like to sign onto.

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

I try to come up with something sweet for the Subject field of any new discussion Topic.
I considered going with "The Mueller Investigation in Five Part Harmony.


Why ?
I appreciate your views, your discussion, but does bacon wrapped around a turd make the turd taste better ?
As they say, ... "you can dazzle the with brilliance, or, baffle them with bullzhit.
I am guilty of both.

Now, let's get to your honest truth. AKA the Mueller investigation. Is this an honest investigation or a lynch court.

Five pillars ? I thought it was about a non crime of collusion and obstruction of justice of a non crime even if collusion existed.

Boo hoo hoo, if the Ruskies did try to affect our elections. Not much unlike Nobama used your taxpayer dollars to defeat a great US ally, Israel Prime Benjamin Netanyahu.

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Originally posted by cliffw:

Five pillars ?


That was just Ronald the clown trying to be clever and interject a veiled reference to one of his other obsessions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...ive_Pillars_of_Islam
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Originally posted by cliffw:
Why ? I appreciate your views, your discussion, but does bacon wrapped around a turd make the turd taste better? As they say, ... "you can dazzle the with brilliance, or, baffle them with bullzhit.

I am guilty of both.

Now, let's get to your honest truth. AKA the Mueller investigation. Is this an honest investigation--or a lynch court?

Five pillars? I thought it was about a non-crime of collusion and obstruction of justice of a non-crime even if collusion existed.

Boo hoo hoo, if the Ruskies did try to affect our elections. Not much unlike Nobama used your taxpayer dollars to defeat a great US ally, Israel Prime Benjamin Netanyahu.

RE: Rubio’s claim that Obama sent his ‘political machine’ to Israel to defeat Netanyahu
Glenn Kessler for the Washington Post; March 26, 2015.
https://www.washingtonpost....m_term=.dc4df5e219f3

All the more reason to take the Mueller investigation seriously.


I think the Mueller investigation is On The Level.

You can look at the Mueller investigation and point to This, That and The Other about it, but I think it Passes Muster for an investigation of its size and scope--in sharp contrast to Trump's "birther-ism" investigation of Obama's status as a Natural Born Citizen [that was] eligible to the Office of President.

I have said that I would not be shocked if Mueller, soon, or eventually, goes on record with a finding that clears President Trump personally of any wrongdoing.

I think I will be surprised if the Mueller investigation comes to its end without being the source of further embarrassments for the President.

Say, for a possibility, one or more criminal indictments of Jared Kushner.

Or if not that, then some other finding(s) or Mueller-backed allegations that the President would rather not be looking at as future topics for Sean Hannity or Fox & Friends, and their always excellent reportage.

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Originally posted by rinselberg:


You can look at the Mueller investigation and point to This, That and The Other about it, but I think it Passes Muster for an investigation of its size and scope--in sharp contrast to Trump's "birther-ism" investigation of Obama's status as a Natural Born Citizen [that was] eligible to the Office of President.



Only in the hollow plastic shadeball of a leftist "brain" like yours could anyone come up with a comparison of an investigation by a special counsel appointed by the United States Department of Justice and the unofficial questions of (then private citizen), Donald Trump about Obama's birth certificate.

 
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I like smoke


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Originally posted by rinselberg:

RE: Rubio’s claim that Obama sent his ‘political machine’ to Israel to defeat Netanyahu
Glenn Kessler for the Washington Post; March 26, 2015.
https://www.washingtonpost....m_term=.dc4df5e219f3

All the more reason to take the Mueller investigation seriously.




BULLSH*T.

The Obama administration never disputed the FACT that in 2013 the (Obama) State Department directly funded the group named "One Voice" who in turn recruited and paid the group called "V15"

(Pretty familiar pattern now in light of the "Steele dossier" money trail and corruption)

These groups, particularly V15, were specifically tasked with anti Likud party / anti Netanyahu activities inside Israel. They did so under the camouflage of "working for a 2 state solution".

Only in the hollow plastic shadeball of a leftist "brain" like yours could anyone spend so much time on this forum obsessing over alleged "collusion with Russians" by President Trump and then try to defend actual documented Obama administration interference and "collusion" to sway elections in Israel.

...and that is somehow "all the more reason to take the Muelller investigation seriously"


 
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I like smoke


...and mirrors

You sad, pathetic clown.

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

I try to come up with something sweet for the Subject field of any new discussion Topic.

I considered going with "The Mueller Investigation in Five Part Harmony."

Chances are, you're not going to like this. But you may want to look at it as if it were a page stolen from the Other Team's playbook.

There are five parts to the Mueller investigation:
  1. Business deals and money laundering involving Trump or the Trump entourage
  2. Russian Disinformation operations
  3. Active Russian cyber intrusions
  4. Contacts between the Trump campaign and Russian operatives
  5. Obstruction of justice on the part of President Trump or his associates

It's a new report in WIRED, from Garret M. Graff, the author of Raven Rock and Threat Matrix.


-> I want to read this new report in WIRED, under the title of "Bob Mueller's investigation is larger--and further along--than you think."
Click to show

-> Reading is such a bore. I'd rather see an on-air video segment with CNN's Don Lemon and Garret M. Graffe.
Click to show

-> Piss Off.
Click to show




Ok, Rinse... for these two items:

-Russian Disinformation operations
-Active Russian cyber intrusions


These are things that happen every election in the United States. Every time, all the time. This is the first election where it favored Republicans over Democrats due to Trump's stance on NATO and the EU.

Why suddenly do the Democrats care so much, when in the past... they were the sole beneficiaries of Russian election influences?

(question answers itself, obviously)


So, we know this as fact... but interested in your opinion on why... more specifically... why the Democrats believe they have the balls to be so arrogant about this when they've benefitted from the same thing for so many years?

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Boo hoo hoo, if the Ruskies did try to affect our elections.


I like fishing.

The DNC tried to affect the primaries and almost didn't.

The DUMBS tried to affect the elections.

The Lame Stream Media tried to affect the elections.

Shillary tried really hard to affect the elections.

The "Donald" affected the election.
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This is for everyone here, but especially for "Rickady88GT" and "cliffw".

When I think about the Special Counsel's (Mueller) investigation, as it currently stands, it's mostly a Black Box. We know that the investigation has come out with formal criminal indictments of Paul Manafort and Rick Gates. We know that Mike Flynn and George Papadopoulos have each pled guilty to the charge of making materially false representations to federal investigators, and have both signed on to plea agreements that designate them as cooperating witnesses with the Special Counsel's investigation.

But how much else is actually known to us, about what's going on right now inside the Mueller investigation? Not much. It's a "whobody knows" situation, and that is by design.

If anyone looking in here has an IT or software engineering background, they are (likely) familiar with the concept of Black Box testing. I think it's an apt analogy for the Mueller investigation. We have seen some "outputs" from it--the indictments and the plea agreements that I just referenced. But we can't see directly inside the investigation. So, a Black Box.

I also cautioned about Not Getting In Front Of Our Skis, about this investigation.
  1. President Trump has not been accused of wrongdoing by the Special Counsel.
  2. President Trump has not not been accused of wrongdoing by the Special Counsel.

Both of those statements are True. Because the Mueller investigation is still a work in progress.

Same goes for Jared Kushner.. Ivanka Trump.. Donald Trump, Jr.. Hope Hicks.. Mike Pence.. Michael Cohen.. Don McGahn. Jeff Sessions. Memo-makin' Congressman Devin Nunes, who was part of the Trump transition team. And last, but not least, K.T. McFarland. For anyone that was part of a Trump business organization or enterprise, or the Trump political campaign, or after the November elections and leading up to the President's first day in office, part of the Trump transition team.

Not accused, and not not accused.

-> Schrodinger's Cat.

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This is for everyone here, but especially for "Rickady88GT" and "cliffw".


This is for you, TINSELberg ...

Why is it not a white box investigation ?

I have more.
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I like fishing.


No you don't. You've said so several times.

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The Mueller investigation is a works in progress. I have no idea what will come of it.
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The Mueller investigation is a works in progress. I have no idea what will come of it.


I fear they had an outcome in mind from it's formation, they are just looking for prosecutable evidence......
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Originally posted by maryjane:
No you don't. You've said so several times.


Ah, you are going to be a catch and release.

Fishing is work, before a catch and after. Even though I live on a lake.

So is hunting, even though I can shoot from many a friend's porch, just sitting there drinking beer, waiting for the one I want.

Now, to be honest, my favorite fishing holes have been in bars. The supermarket has potential, don't neglect the laundry mat. You never know where the next strike will happen, or when.

Then, what do you do ?

Well, I choose not to injure a fish for the thrill of my catching it.
I fish, when I want fish.
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Originally posted by rinselberg:

This is for everyone here, but especially for "Rickady88GT" and "cliffw".

When I think about the Special Counsel's (Mueller) investigation, as it currently stands, it's mostly a Black Box. We know that the investigation has come out with formal criminal indictments of Paul Manafort and Rick Gates. We know that Mike Flynn and George Papadopoulos have each pled guilty to the charge of making materially false representations to federal investigators, and have both signed on to plea agreements that designate them as cooperating witnesses with the Special Counsel's investigation.

But how much else is actually known to us, about what's going on right now inside the Mueller investigation? Not much. It's a "whobody knows" situation, and that is by design.

If anyone looking in here has an IT or software engineering background, they are (likely) familiar with the concept of Black Box testing. I think it's an apt analogy for the Mueller investigation. We have seen some "outputs" from it--the indictments and the plea agreements that I just referenced. But we can't see directly inside the investigation. So, a Black Box.

I also cautioned about Not Getting In Front Of Our Skis, about this investigation.
  1. President Trump has not been accused of wrongdoing by the Special Counsel.
  2. President Trump has not not been accused of wrongdoing by the Special Counsel.

Both of those statements are True. Because the Mueller investigation is still a work in progress.

Same goes for Jared Kushner... Ivanka Trump... Donald Trump, Jr... Hope Hicks... Mike Pence... Don McGahn... and Jeff Sessions. Memo-makin' Congressman Devin Nunes, who was part of the Trump transition team. And last, but not least, K.T. McFarland. For anyone that was part of a Trump business organization or enterprise, or the Trump political campaign, or after the November elections and leading up to the President's first day in office, part of the Trump transition team.

Not accused, and not not accused.

-> Schrodinger's Cat.


So much wasted pontential, if you used half this energy trying to help humanity, rather than justify democrat's treason and sedition. Man, maybe we would have world peace. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
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Originally posted by cliffw:


Ah, you are going to be a catch and release.

Fishing is work, before a catch and after. Even though I live on a lake.

So is hunting, even though I can shoot from many a friend's porch, just sitting there drinking beer, waiting for the one I want.

Now, to be honest, my favorite fishing holes have been in bars. The supermarket has potential, don't neglect the laundry mat. You never know where the next strike will happen, or when.

Then, what do you do ?

Well, I choose not to injure a fish for the thrill of my catching it.
I fish, when I want fish.



I'm so pathetic when it comes to this stuff. Never cleaned a fish... I've caught plenty, but usually just give them to my friends and they do it.

I've seen it enough times though, and... if I was stuck in the woods and needed to eat, I'd figure it out.
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Originally posted by olejoedad:


I fear they had an outcome in mind from it's formation, they are just looking for prosecutable evidence......


That is manifestly clear.

Having failed at all other means they have tried so far to get rid of him, the left is looking for something, anything that they can use for impeachment of the President.

They don't care what it is.

Ronald Shadeball made that very clear as well. He talks about "Russian collusion" and then "unindicted co-conspirator(s), and then wanders off to "international money laundering".

He and the rest of the left don't care if it's "Russian collusion" or an unpaid parking ticket, they want so very, very badly to force President Trump out somehow, some way and their hopes are fading more every day.

Even if it is announced clearly and unambiguously tomorrow, that there was NO "Russian collusion" the left will simply continue to attack from a different angle.

Their goal remains unchanged.

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Originally posted by dratts:

The Mueller investigation is a works in progress. I have no idea what will come of it.


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Not just money laundering in a general way.

Russia-linked money laundering.

Seemingly out of place real estate transactions. 666 Fifth Avenue. Deutsche Bank. Mirror trades. FinCEN. Azerbaijan. Felix Sater. The Bank of Cyprus. Wilbur Ross. Preet Bharara. Eric Schneiderman. Yada yada yada.

It's got Vlad to see ya' written all over it.




Not accused, and not not accused.

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So sorry, dennis_6. I'm just running on "fumes' here tonight.

I have it on my desktop calendar to save the world on Monday.

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

This is for everyone here, but especially for "Rickady88GT" and "cliffw".

When I think about the Special Counsel's (Mueller) investigation, as it currently stands, it's mostly a Black Box. We know that the investigation has come out with formal criminal indictments of Paul Manafort and Rick Gates. We know that Mike Flynn and George Papadopoulos have each pled guilty to the charge of making materially false representations to federal investigators, and have both signed on to plea agreements that designate them as cooperating witnesses with the Special Counsel's investigation.

But how much else is actually known to us, about what's going on right now inside the Mueller investigation? Not much. It's a "whobody knows" situation, and that is by design.

If anyone looking in here has an IT or software engineering background, they are (likely) familiar with the concept of Black Box testing. I think it's an apt analogy for the Mueller investigation. We have seen some "outputs" from it--the indictments and the plea agreements that I just referenced. But we can't see directly inside the investigation. So, a Black Box.

I also cautioned about Not Getting In Front Of Our Skis, about this investigation.
  1. President Trump has not been accused of wrongdoing by the Special Counsel.
  2. President Trump has not not been accused of wrongdoing by the Special Counsel.

Both of those statements are True. Because the Mueller investigation is still a work in progress.

Same goes for Jared Kushner... Ivanka Trump... Donald Trump, Jr... Hope Hicks... Mike Pence... Don McGahn... and Jeff Sessions. Memo-makin' Congressman Devin Nunes, who was part of the Trump transition team. And last, but not least, K.T. McFarland. For anyone that was part of a Trump business organization or enterprise, or the Trump political campaign, or after the November elections and leading up to the President's first day in office, part of the Trump transition team.

Not accused, and not not accused.

-> Schrodinger's Cat.



There is no doubt that Trump has done nothing wrong, and also no doubt use this investigation on his next campaign trail. AND will just be bragging rights when he is sworn in again. America will tire of the false accusations and back Trump.
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Originally posted by rinselberg:

So sorry, dennis_6. I'm just running on "fumes' here tonight. A body in motion continues that motion... The inertia thing.

Maybe I will try to save the world on Monday.


Saving the world would be a far nobler pursuit than saving the democrats. Not that I expect any one person could do either, but blessed are the peace makers.
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I'll fix it.
  1. John Kelley to leave the government sector and be replaced with Mike Pompeo as the new White House Chief of Staff.
  2. Mike Pompeo to vacate the CIA Director's slot and be replaced with the junior Senator from Arkansas, Tom Cotton.
  3. New White House Counsel to replace Don McGahn. Somone to come over from any of the intel agencies or from DoD. Dial J-A-G.
  4. Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump to return to the private sector.
  5. Immediate, comprehensive security review of all White House staffers who only have interim security clearances. A list that reportedly includes Jared Kushner. Review to be led by the new White House Counsel.

That was Easy.

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

Not just money laundering in a general way.

Russia-linked money laundering.

Seemingly out of place real estate transactions. 666 Fifth Avenue. Deutsche Bank. Mirror trades. FinCEN. Azerbaijan. Felix Sater. The Bank of Cyprus. Wilbur Ross. Preet Bharara. Eric Schneiderman. Yada yada yada.

It's got Vlad to see ya' written all over it.

Not accused, and not not accused.




I'm sorry Rinse... this past year must have been devastating for you.


Do you have a countdown?

Only 1,054 days left, or only 2,514 if he wins re-election?


Sorry buddy, just hang in there.
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I almost forgot.

6. Devin Nunes to resign from Congress and work at the White House. Mike Conaway (R) becomes chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
bla-bla-bla

I am not going to deny that I would find it an absorbing TV spectacle--perhaps even riveting, at times--if the Trump Presidency were to go down in some dramatic and drawn out way, like the last days of the Nixon presidency.

I don't think it's likely.

What I want most of all is closure from the Mueller investigation. I want the investigation to reach a state of completion and issue some kind of report. If it clears President Trump of any personal wrongdoing, or ends without any additional criminal indictments that reach into the Trump White House--thinking particularly about Jared Kushner here--then So Be It.

I'm far more likely to accept the validity of such a report, than to reject it.

It's because I have the temperament and outlook of an Institutionalist. Not a Populist or a Disruptor.

This became clear to me a few months ago, when I was reading an op-ed column. It gave me the precise words to structuralize my thoughts. But that's all I remember of that op-ed column.

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

I am not going to deny that I would find it an absorbing TV spectacle--perhaps even riveting, at times--if the Trump Presidency were to go down in some dramatic and drawn out way, like the last days of the Nixon presidency.

That's because I have the temperament and outlook and should be institutionalized.



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Respectfully, rinselberg, sometimes your prose brings to mind Fred and Barney's friend, the Great Gazoo.....
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Originally posted by rinselberg:

I am not going to deny that I would find it an absorbing TV spectacle--perhaps even riveting, at times--if the Trump Presidency were to go down in some dramatic and drawn out way, like the last days of the Nixon presidency.

I don't think it's likely.

What I want most of all is closure from the Mueller investigation. I want the investigation to reach a state of completion and issue some kind of report. If it clears President Trump of any personal wrongdoing, or ends without any additional criminal indictments that reach into the Trump White House--thinking particularly about Jared Kushner here--then So Be It.

I'm far more likely to accept the validity of such a report, than to reject it.

It's because I have the temperament and outlook of an Institutionalist. Not a Populist or a Disruptor.

This became clear to me a few months ago, when I was reading an op-ed column. It gave me the precise words to structuralize my thoughts. But that's all I remember of that op-ed column.




You'll get that after the mid-term elections. It's purposely designed by Democrats to persist at least up to and beyond that point. But they'll leave it close-ended so it'll provide ammo for 2020.

There's nothing there. But there's a lot of technicalities that they can charge (unrelated to anything Russian) a few of the Trump administration cabinet members with.


What I'm more interested, is seeing what we do with the VERY CLEAR illegalities that went on with Hillary, and many in the Department of Justice. Are you interested in that? Just curious...
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