It was not immediately clear whether Brown in the immediate future would lift water restrictions that were enacted as a result of the drought emergency, or keep them in the place.
We are completely out of the drought...no questions about it but we have a ****ed up, piece of **** governor who will probably make another shitty decision and NOT lift the water restrictions so he can keep the rates higher.
Here in Shitafornia, when the state raises prices or taxes due to temporary situations, they rarely return to normal.
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Latest news said the erosion is not as bad as they first thought.
I'm waiting for some moron to say they saw a "Muzzie" walking along under the dam earlier in the week with a shovel in his hand...
A Muslim? In California's redneck land?
I'm pretty sure the Muslims population what ever it is keep a strict adherence to their preplanned routes from home to the 7/11 and back home again.
Truthfully I don't think a Muslim or any middle easterner could go unnoticed in Oroville. The only one I have seen there myself would be at the little minimart gas station right off the Highway. Nobody better mess with that dude cause he always gives me a free bluberry muffin when I fill the truck there.
Something I find 'funny' about the news reports... "Authorities decided to begin releasing water from the emergency spillway after the normal spillway developed a large crater..."
They had no choice--it's not like the emergency spillway can be opened, raised or lowered. It's just a low sill concrete wall.
We are completely out of the drought...no questions about it but we have a ****ed up, piece of **** governor who will probably make another shitty decision and NOT lift the water restrictions so he can keep the rates higher.
Here in Shitafornia, when the state raises prices or taxes due to temporary situations, they rarely return to normal.
YUP.. this they caused.. Seems.. the leadership in that dump.. pick and choose whom was the loosers in the drought b/s that they made with controlled damming.. Instead of letting the water flow naturally.. they picked whom got water and whom got almost none.. Cali.. needs to float away..
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I'm not far from here and last summer we in the north were mega restricted for water usage. My wife and i took a trip to orange ca and i asked my wifes aunt if they were restricted and she said it was all lifted last year so they could do what they wanted when it came to watering. I'm not happy about my water usage fees going up with a restriction but down south it is business as usual.
I'm not far from here and last summer we in the north were mega restricted for water usage. My wife and i took a trip to orange ca and i asked my wifes aunt if they were restricted and she said it was all lifted last year so they could do what they wanted when it came to watering. I'm not happy about my water usage fees going up with a restriction but down south it is business as usual.
I suspect a larger number of angry voters may have something to do with that. Numbers matter to politicians.
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Originally posted by IMSA GT: And here's the key to this ****ed up state:
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Originally posted by maryjane: Latest news said the erosion is not as bad as they first thought.
Yeah yeah yeah. Did you see the erosion all around the spillways ? The erosions I think might have accelerated the emergency spillway erosion. Kalifornia has not invested in it's infrastructure. Now Jerry Moonbeam is asking for Federal help. I guess they spent too much money on cheap labor illegal immigration. Likely the same Federal dollars that helped or did build the dam.
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Originally posted by blackrams: I suspect a larger number of angry voters may have something to do with that. Numbers matter to politicians.
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Originally posted by E.Furgal: not in liberal lala land states ,the politicians have no fear of any challenge
Unless they have money, .
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Originally posted by pokeyfiero: I have equipment I am bidding on in a warehouse not 1/4 mile from the river. I wonder if I should even bother bidding anymore on it.
They are going to try to plug the hole by heli-dropping bags of rocks into it.
From the pics I looked at last night, they better get a LOT more rocks and helicopters. This pic doesn't show it well, but the whole area for about 50 yards out in front of the spillway is washed away, and you can kinda of see the big hill beyond that wash, just before the collapsed roadway.
I think they knew the erosion was going to take place. Saturday late, I saw a live feed where they had a concrete boom truck pouring concrete below where the "A" arrow is. Looks like they are concentrating today, on the area at arrow B where the water came around the end of the emergency spillway near the parking lot.
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BUT BUT cali.. that everyone of it's people will tell the other 49 that we need them as they are our economy will be out asking for the 49 to bail their stupid asses out yet again..
Such a bunch of smarties.. that with the huge economy claims need to rape the tax payers with high taxes, high sales taxes and stupidly high business taxes.. But we other 49 should follow their lead..
Maybe they sould fill the vold with shade balls..
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We are completely out of the drought...no questions about it but we have a ****ed up, piece of **** governor who will probably make another shitty decision and NOT lift the water restrictions so he can keep the rates higher.
Here in Shitafornia, when the state raises prices or taxes due to temporary situations, they rarely return to normal.
Which would seem to reinforce my ongoing assertion that the California electrical grid is rickety as hell, even now. I wonder what the effect will be when they hang a few million electric car charging stations off of the end.
I'm thinking that, not only will Californians get to sit home in the heat, in the dark, now they won't even be able to leave, because their cars will be dead, with no way to charge them. Going forward, this is going to be a sh!t-show of the largest magnitude.
Which would seem to reinforce my ongoing assertion that the California electrical grid is rickety as hell, even now. I wonder what the effect will be when they hang a few million electric car charging stations off of the end.
I'm thinking that, not only will Californians get to sit home in the heat, in the dark, now they won't even be able to leave, because their cars will be dead, with no way to charge them. Going forward, this is going to be a sh!t-show of the largest magnitude.
Well...I guess CA could take some lessons from Texas on their electrical grid...........
Well...I guess CA could take some lessons from Texas on their electrical grid...........
I suspect the outcome may be similar. The difference is, Texas is isolated and limited because their utility industry wants it that way.
Most every other electric utility in the country has a method of buying electricity capacity from "off system". Georgia and Alabama can buy or sell electricity from/to Florida, South Carolina, and TVA. Mississippi can buy/sell from/to Entergy or other entities. There are interconnections all over the grid called "tie lines" that allow just these scenarios. Everyone predicts their generation capacity, and their projected requirements, and makes arrangements accordingly. It's carefully choreographed. But if the SHTF, I'm pretty sure that emergency measures can be implemented fairly quickly. Texas, from what I've heard, probably only has one or two tie lines. Not nearly enough to support them, if sh!t gets real. I don't like Federal intervention any more than the next person, but it would appear that there are trade-offs and advantages. NERC is all about reliability, above all else. I'm just a telecom guy, and I get exposed to this stuff on a daily basis. In the years since 9/11, and especially in the past five years, security and reliability have gained real ground, in the grand scheme of things.
California, OTOH, is hampered largely because of environmental restrictions imposed by their own government. They can't clear the vegetation beneath the transmission lines. Then, when the demand gets great, and a lot of current is flowing, the lines get hot. Then they sag into the trees, and start fires. (Seriously.. That's how it works. Electricity conduction makes heat. This on top of the already high ambient temperature. Heat makes the conductors sag - due to expansion, and due to elasticity and their own weight.) Lots of the problems are undoubtedly caused by long overdue maintenance issues. (It would appear that they've been financially strapped for a while. Preventative maintenance is usually the first thing that gets postponed.)
Merely an observation.
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Going forward, this is going to be a sh!t-show of the largest magnitude.
I don't know of another state in the union that continually staggers from disaster to disaster like California does, with such a large number of them self-inflicted by stupid choices driven by Leftist ideology.
California, OTOH, is hampered largely because of environmental restrictions imposed by their own government. They can't clear the vegetation beneath the transmission lines. Then, when the demand gets great, and a lot of current is flowing, the lines get hot. Then they sag into the trees, and start fires. (Seriously.. That's how it works. Electricity conduction makes heat. This on top of the already high ambient temperature. Heat makes the conductors sag - due to expansion, and due to elasticity and their own weight.) Lots of the problems are undoubtedly caused by long overdue maintenance issues. (It would appear that they've been financially strapped for a while. Preventative maintenance is usually the first thing that gets postponed.)
Merely an observation.
There are big changes that have been executed by our CEO at PG&E. We are buying solar energy from Cal Flats and routing it to multiple substations, we just installed one of many battery storage facilities in a joint project with Tesla, and we have about 50 hydro plants in the mountains that create electricity for almost all of our substations throughout California. The brush clearing and tree trimming is actually happening all over Northern California. It was part of the court proceedings to where basically, we HAVE to cut the trees whether people like it or not. Right now we are in a huge heat wave with temperatures ranging from 104-112 degrees over the next 2 weeks. Our grid has been slightly strained during the heat wave and no power has been shut off due to any type of overload. As of right now, we have no plans on rolling blackouts. So far, so good.
Which would seem to reinforce my ongoing assertion that the California electrical grid is rickety as hell, even now. I wonder what the effect will be when they hang a few million electric car charging stations off of the end ...
Today I noticed 7 or so Tesla charging stations suddenly appear at a relatively new Gas Station near the freeway. There's nothing to do in that area except perhaps watch the traffic going by. It made me wonder what electric car owner would really use a station like that, with nothing to do, when they could just go a few more miles and visit the charging stations at the Mall. Makes no sense to me but it sure looks expensive. Who is paying for this?
Originally posted by Notorio: Today I noticed 7 or so Tesla charging stations suddenly appear at a relatively new Gas Station near the freeway. There's nothing to do in that area except perhaps watch the traffic going by. It made me wonder what electric car owner would really use a station like that, with nothing to do, when they could just go a few more miles and visit the charging stations at the Mall. Makes no sense to me but it sure looks expensive. Who is paying for this?
It won't be long before that's a new town center, as developments spring up all around these new EV charging stations.
Tesla pays for all charging stations that are installed. The only time the property owner has to partially pay is if they request Tesla install them in an area where Tesla has not determined they are needed.
Originally posted by IMSA GT: There are big changes that have been executed by our CEO at PG&E. We are buying solar energy from Cal Flats and routing it to multiple substations, we just installed one of many battery storage facilities in a joint project with Tesla, and we have about 50 hydro plants in the mountains that create electricity for almost all of our substations throughout California. The brush clearing and tree trimming is actually happening all over Northern California. It was part of the court proceedings to where basically, we HAVE to cut the trees whether people like it or not. Right now we are in a huge heat wave with temperatures ranging from 104-112 degrees over the next 2 weeks. Our grid has been slightly strained during the heat wave and no power has been shut off due to any type of overload. As of right now, we have no plans on rolling blackouts. So far, so good.
Slightly strained?! That's it? Excellent! Good show! (Everybody's grid is "slightly strained" from time to time, I would think.) I didn't realize (or at least forgot) that you worked for PG&E. I applaud this progress, and I hope it continues. Truthfully, I figured that the legislators would have the state hamstrung to a fare-thee-well, for the long term. I'm glad I'm wrong.
So... what is the projected additional load for a s___load of charging stations? And, more importantly, are you going to be ready? I sincerely hope so. I don't want CA to fail but, based upon previous events, I sort of anticipated it. This gives me some hope that I'm wrong. Edit - Thanks for jumping in.
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Originally posted by Raydar: So... what is the projected additional load for a s___load of charging stations? And, more importantly, are you going to be ready? I sincerely hope so. I don't want CA to fail but, based upon previous events, I sort of anticipated it. This gives me some hope that I'm wrong. Edit - Thanks for jumping in.
I mentioned about our partnership with Tesla, here is the information on our first battery storage venture. Moss Landing is on the coast near Monterey California. There is basic information in the last paragraphs. I think in certain areas, the battery storage units could actually offset the charging station concerns as well as assist with feeding the grid at peak hours. https://www.tesmanian.com/b...es-stunning-progress
We actually have a new CEO that comes from Consumers Energy in Michigan. She has rotated this company 180 degrees in the right direction compared to the last 2 CEO's. She also has a great track record and as a bonus to us car guys, she worked for GM as a plant manager from 1990-2005.
Originally posted by cvxjet: Well...I guess CA could take some lessons from Texas on their electrical grid...........
Let me fix that for you.
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Originally posted by cvxjet: Well...I guess CA should take some lessons from Texas on their electrical grid...........
Texas had ONE issue during an unprecedented Global Warming Ice Age. Did 'ja know ..., we had (I think it was three) coal powered generation stations the were not in use, have not been in use, because of tree hugging greenies from places like Kalifornia.
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