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Ukraine civil war compared to our own by dratts
Started on: 09-05-2014 10:44 AM
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Report this Post09-05-2014 10:44 AM Click Here to See the Profile for drattsSend a Private Message to drattsEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
History is always written by the victors and all I know about our civil war is what I've been taught. We seem to have come back together, but how can Ukraine ever reconcile the shelling and killing of it's own population? I haven't taken a political position because I'm very confused by all the information made available to me, but if I were an innocent Eastern Ukraine citizen who took no part in the secession movement and was suffering from my governments shelling and killing I don't know if I would ever be able to accept the government that did it to me.
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Report this Post09-05-2014 12:13 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ZebSend a Private Message to ZebEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Why wouldn't you place the blame on the guys who tried to separate your country into two countries?

To continue the analogy to our own Civil War: Southerners call it the "War of Northern Aggression". Northerners consider it rebelling against the established central government, and resorting to secession and armed conflict, rather than a negotiated agreement.
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Report this Post09-05-2014 12:55 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Formula88Send a Private Message to Formula88Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
"You're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view. "

In the US Civil War, the South considered the North the aggressors. They believed they had a constitutional right to secede.
The North considered the act unlawful and an act of rebellion.

It begs the question, do a people have a right to decide to remove their territory from it's existing governance? If Crimea had the right to secede from Ukraine, so did the South in the Civil War. In both cases the original government was fighting to maintain the integrity of the nation as a whole.

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Report this Post09-05-2014 01:15 PM Click Here to See the Profile for 2.5Send a Private Message to 2.5Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I wonder if it happened here, if we'd have any more reliable information.
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Report this Post09-05-2014 04:16 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Hank is HereSend a Private Message to Hank is HereEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by Formula88:

It begs the question, do a people have a right to decide to remove their territory from it's existing governance?


Or maybe better put under what circumstances do people have a right to decide to remove their territory from it's exousting governance? Case in point where this is happening civiy...Scotland. Soon the Scottish people will VOT to be removed from Great Britian.
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Report this Post09-05-2014 04:41 PM Click Here to See the Profile for rogergarrisonSend a Private Message to rogergarrisonEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
The only similarities I see are its being fought in the home country. Here the south wanted to become its own nation. There, the rebels want to go back to being part of Russia at least from what Ive seen. To be the same, the south would have wanted to become part of England again.
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Originally posted by dratts:

... We seem to have come back together, but how can Ukraine ever reconcile the shelling and killing of it's own population? I haven't taken a political position because I'm very confused by all the information made available to me, but if I were an innocent Eastern Ukraine citizen who took no part in the secession movement and was suffering from my governments shelling and killing I don't know if I would ever be able to accept the government that did it to me.


Coming back together was forced upon the defeated in our country. As a Yankee transplant, I can say (149 years later) the process is still not complete.
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