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Here We Go Again With Irag by California Kid
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Originally posted by Fats:


Probably the same place you went to to know what I (and everyone else apparently) was thinking.

Brad


You must be referring to when I said "keep thinking we are better then them". It wasn't directed at you personally more of a general mind set that seems prevelant in many of the statements in this thread. Hell one member confirmed that it is the way he thinks.

I certainly don't pretend to know what you or anyone else think and can only go by what each member posts.

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"The ghosts I've called won't let me go." - J.W. v. Goethe
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Originally posted by Red88FF:

I think this is just the beginning of a total unravel of all gains in the Mideast. This is what happens when you have a leader that makes important decisions for political expediency and is more worried about being liked than doing the right thing, does not look for or at long term results. Or..............simply does not care.

Seriously, a major problem with foreign policy and ensuing military action over the last few decades is the lack of will to kill "innocent" people...... collateral damage, to reach the goal.... it ties our hands and the enemy knows it, uses it, hides behind it and is greatly empowered by it. Who can blame them, it is the obvious thing to do when one is dedicated to their cause.

War is supposed to be ugly, cruel and devastating to life and property, so much so that the enemy will give up. Most men fight to protect their country and their loved ones, no targets should be off limits. I keep hearing things like, oh if we do this they will hate us more and it will be easy for them to recruit America haters. This is possibly the stupidest thing I have ever heard and shows a total lack of understanding about just about everything involved in conflict..


That's not the problem at all.
It actually has very little to do with us.

The people over there have to change it for their own.
They have already been given the tools to police themselves.
They just don't have the......resolve.

They would rather live then be free.
Poor dumb bastards.
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That is the only realistic solution that would be permanent. If you dont want to nuke em, poison them. There whole being revolves around destroying anyone who is not them. They will kill all the neighbors who disagree...even kill their own family. How do you stop someone like that ? What exactly is your solution ?

1. they believe anyone not in 100% of agreement with them should be dead.
2. they never will negotiate with anyone they think should be dead.
3. they dont even consider their own or families lives sacred.

Id be interested in hearing your realistic solution.
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This looks like a net plus for "us".

When the U.S. invaded Iraq in 2003 and toppled Saddam, the Rumsfeld-ian_Wolfowitz-ian_Feith-ian objective was a unified Iraq, with a central government in Baghdad that would be supportive of and supported by the three main stakeholders: Shiites, Sunnis and Kurds.

It could have been, but now we are having the next best outcome, of Iraq being replaced by three essentially sovereign states of SunniStan, ShiaStan and KurdiStan. With no central government in Baghdad trying to exert influence over all three regions, the three ethnicities, which are fortuitously mostly segregated geographically, will have one less reason to conflict with each other, and one less reason to generate the all too familiar "negative waves" of conflict that ripple far outwards across the Middle East and splash muddy water on U.S. interests.

The Kurds were already the least troublesome of the three factions, from a U.S. perspective.

Having the Shia-dominated Iraqi national government reduced to governing only the southern, mostly Shia-populated region of Iraq is a haircut for the hardliners in Tehran. It trims Iran's troublesome influence in the region to a lesser and more tolerable level.

The black Islamist flags of the ISIS fanatics currently present an ominous image on our TV screens, but they are riding on the back of a much larger alliance of local Sunni tribes and militias--moderates that are not intrinsically antithetical to the U.S.--seasoned with a sprinkling of Baathist revanchists: the last surviving remnants of the Saddam era, who are now too few and too isolated to present any further threat to U.S. national interest. ISIS will not be able to dominate the provinces of the west that are the prime Sunni demographic. The Sunni dog will shake off the ISIS flea.

What's not to like?

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What's not to like? The fallacy of the last statement.

 
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The Sunni dog will shake off the ISIS flea.


They will "attempt" to shake it off (after their objectives are met) but will find themselves at war with ISIS for many years to come, as will other nearby nations.
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Whobody knows? I was just maven-ing
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Afghanistan and Pakistan have the Taliban.

Iran, Iraq, Syria etc have ISIS.

Both will be around for a long time.
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At worse, we spent thousands of lives and billions of dollars (trillion? who really knows!?), and only made the area worse.

At -BEST-, we kept them too busy to bother us on our home soil. And that's debatable, as I think a good many of the things in the news were terror attacks that were conveniently relabeled, unless there was no other way to spin it. (Ft. Hood -the first one- is an example of something they tried to spin as non-terror).

There's no good solution that doesn't involve making the area a glass parking lot. And that won't happen.
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Obuma could do it on his last day in office. All the world blame would be on him, but he gets away with anything he does so it all works out.
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Originally posted by maryjane:

Both will be around for a long time.


I again agree.
Strange, yes?

Either great minds think alike, or your losing it.
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The tribal divisions there run far deeper than notions of freedom.
Iraqi police and military lay down their arms not out of cowardice, but because they consider ISIS brothers. Sunni or Shia is more important than anything else. That's where their first allegiance is.

Shia militia: 'Isis will not take Baghdad'
 
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The militiamen in the capital have drawn a clear line in the sand and say that they will stand firm


Iraq crisis: Iran and US join fight against Sunni jihadis of Isis
 
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President Obama contemplates air strikes against Sunni insurgents as Tehran sends top general to Baghdad


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I vote that we stay out of getting directly involved, but we give both sides all those Military Vehicles we were going to destroy, and drop ship all our old military weapons and ammunition to both sides as well. Let them kill each other off, smaller numbers are easier to deal with down the road. The rest of the World doesn't much give a crap about what's going on over there, so why should we.
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Sunni insurgents declare "price war"

KALAK, Iraq – Days after Iraq's second-largest city fell to Al Qaeda-inspired fighters, some Iraqis are already returning to Mosul, lured back by insurgents offering cheap gas and food, restoring power and water and removing traffic barricades . . .

Returning residents said relatives told them the insurgents slashed the prices of key staples: A liter of gasoline for vehicles or diesel for generators, a necessity because of frequent power cuts, dropped from 42 cents to 30 cents, said taxi driver Abu Mohammed.

A canister of cooking gas dropped from $6.85 to $3.40. The fighters forced traders to offer vegetables and key foods at half price, he said.

News of the discounts, but not the exact prices, were echoed by other returning residents.

The efforts by fighters to win over hearts and minds may appear odd for a group whose tactics include beheading their rivals, chopping off the hands of thieves and imprisoning local activists.

But the fighters conducted similar goodwill campaigns after seizing areas of neighboring Syria. It was only later that the darkest side of their rule emerged.

So far, only Sunni Arabs appear to be returning, suggesting a fundamental change to the city's demography. . . .


Would you like to know more?

http://www.foxnews.com/worl...s-restored-services/
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@ Rinselberg's post...

Reading the story, you could almost replace taliban with America. Sometimes differences are difficult to discern.
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Originally posted by rinselberg:

Sunni insurgents declare "price war"

KALAK, Iraq – Days after Iraq's second-largest city fell to Al Qaeda-inspired fighters, some Iraqis are already returning to Mosul, lured back by insurgents offering cheap gas and food, restoring power and water and removing traffic barricades . . .

Returning residents said relatives told them the insurgents slashed the prices of key staples: A liter of gasoline for vehicles or diesel for generators, a necessity because of frequent power cuts, dropped from 42 cents to 30 cents, said taxi driver Abu Mohammed.

A canister of cooking gas dropped from $6.85 to $3.40. The fighters forced traders to offer vegetables and key foods at half price, he said.

News of the discounts, but not the exact prices, were echoed by other returning residents.

The efforts by fighters to win over hearts and minds may appear odd for a group whose tactics include beheading their rivals, chopping off the hands of thieves and imprisoning local activists.

But the fighters conducted similar goodwill campaigns after seizing areas of neighboring Syria. It was only later that the darkest side of their rule emerged.

So far, only Sunni Arabs appear to be returning, suggesting a fundamental change to the city's demography. . . .


Would you like to know more?

http://www.foxnews.com/worl...s-restored-services/


Not unusual at all for any group anywhere in the world to turn to their political side in an effort to win favor and support. Gerrymandering, govt sponsored settlements in disputed territory, relaxed immigration policies, wealth redistribution, subsidies of staple goods--a form of "vote buying" in base form. Probably be offering free or subsidized health care as well.
Maybe they'll change their name to Islamic Socialists in Iraq and Levant.
Buying hearts and minds one Dinar at a time. 'shades of Uncle Hugo'..........

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A U.S. soldier imprisoned for leaking documents to WikiLeaks broke her silence in a fiery editorial accusing the United States of lying about Iraq.

Chelsea Manning was sentenced to 35 years in prison in 2013 for leaking 750,000 pages of classified documents to the anti-secrecy group.

At the time, Manning went by the first name Bradley, but later announced the desire to live as a woman and be known as Chelsea.

Manning has stayed out of the limelight since the conviction, which spared the former intelligence analyst from the most serious charge of aiding the enemy.

But she was back Saturday, with an opinion piece titled 'The Fog Machine of War" in The New York Times. In it, she accuses the U.S. media of looking the other way when chaos and corruption reigned in Iraq and Afghanistan.

"As Iraq erupts in civil war and America again contemplates intervention, that unfinished business should give new urgency to the question of how the United States military controlled the media coverage of its long involvement there and in Afghanistan," Manning wrote.

"I believe that the current limits on press freedom and excessive government secrecy make it impossible for Americans to grasp fully what is happening in the wars we finance."

She said that during the 2010 elections in Iraq, the media duped the world into thinking that all was well.

"You might remember that the American press was flooded with stories declaring the elections a success, complete with upbeat anecdotes and photographs of Iraqi women proudly displaying their ink-stained fingers," she wrote. "The subtext was that United States military operations had succeeded in creating a stable and democratic Iraq. Those of us stationed there were acutely aware of a more complicated reality."

She said at the time, she got regular reports detailing security forces' crackdown against dissidents "on behalf" of Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki.

"I was shocked by our military's complicity in the corruption of that election," she said. "Yet these deeply troubling details flew under the American media's radar."


http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/...index.html?hpt=hp_t2
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Originally posted by rinselberg:

This looks like a net plus for "us".

When the U.S. invaded Iraq in 2003 and toppled Saddam, the Rumsfeld-ian_Wolfowitz-ian_Feith-ian objective was a unified Iraq, with a central government in Baghdad that would be supportive of and supported by the three main stakeholders: Shiites, Sunnis and Kurds.

It could have been, but now we are having the next best outcome, of Iraq being replaced by three essentially sovereign states of SunniStan, ShiaStan and KurdiStan. With no central government in Baghdad trying to exert influence over all three regions, the three ethnicities, which are fortuitously mostly segregated geographically, will have one less reason to conflict with each other, and one less reason to generate the all too familiar "negative waves" of conflict that ripple far outwards across the Middle East and splash muddy water on U.S. interests.

The Kurds were already the least troublesome of the three factions, from a U.S. perspective.

Having the Shia-dominated Iraqi national government reduced to governing only the southern, mostly Shia-populated region of Iraq is a haircut for the hardliners in Tehran. It trims Iran's troublesome influence in the region to a lesser and more tolerable level.

The black Islamist flags of the ISIS fanatics currently present an ominous image on our TV screens, but they are riding on the back of a much larger alliance of local Sunni tribes and militias--moderates that are not intrinsically antithetical to the U.S.--seasoned with a sprinkling of Baathist revanchists: the last surviving remnants of the Saddam era, who are now too few and too isolated to present any further threat to U.S. national interest. ISIS will not be able to dominate the provinces of the west that are the prime Sunni demographic. The Sunni dog will shake off the ISIS flea.

What's not to like?



I think you pretty well covered it-even the last line. The Kurds will be happy with their northern piece with oil (Turkey won't), The Sunni's will get their areas (with oil), and the Shiits will be left as the majority group (controlling sand).

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I think you pretty well covered it-even the last line. The Kurds will be happy with their northern piece with oil (Turkey won't), The Sunni's will get their areas (with oil), and the Shiits will be left as the majority group (controlling sand).



Perfect recipe for civil war...
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Originally posted by Boondawg:


That's not the problem at all.



The Boone has spoken, it must be true.
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Originally posted by Red88FF:


The Boone has spoken, it must be true.


Being only my opinion, it is to me.
I can only speak factually about things that have happened to me personally.
Everything else is hearsay or opinion.

Why am I the only one that has to continually explain that.
Everyone else posts in this manner freely.

Was your post intended to be fact, or was it as I read it, an opinion?
See how ridiculous that is?
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Originally posted by Boondawg:


Being only my opinion, it is to me.
I can only speak factually about things that have happened to me personally.
Everything else is hearsay or opinion.

Why am I the only one that has to continually explain that.
Everyone else posts in this manner freely.

Was your post intended to be fact, or was it as I read it, an opinion?
See how ridiculous that is?


Although I will give you credit for actually stating your "opinion" you summarily dismissed what I put forth in my post as incorrect with "that's not it at all"
It may be some of both, but what I wrote is factually correct as to how we wage this pathetic "modern" war, and announcing your quitting (political expediency, what else could it be?) and the lack of respect Obama has in the world arena (and at home) feel free to address these tidbits. That is not it at all, is not it at all.

Lack of will and safety over freedom as you say might make a good case to nuke em. They will be a problem again and again.

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Originally posted by yellowstone:


Perfect recipe for civil war...


And so it will be. A faction of strength will emerge tho, unless very very strong outside (but regional) forces dictate something different.

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Although I will give you credit for actually stating your "opinion" you summarily dismissed what I put forth in my post as incorrect with "that's not it at all"



It was only my opinion that "That's not it at all.".
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Here we go with Benghazi again!

"It's too politically sensitive to evacuate them."

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If the following report is true, then the stakes just got a little higher.

Syrian warplanes strike inside Iraq
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Let's all sit around the campfire, sing Kumbaya and make s'mores.

Here's one for Iraq.
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Originally posted by yellowstone:


Perfect recipe for civil war...


Maybe they'll do a Pakistan/ India split? I have to agree with you as the Shia majority doesn't want to give up the oil. OTOH, if they're not willing to fight for it, they'll have no choice. Looks like the US is (unwillingly) lining up with Iran on this one. I wonder how this will affect our "humanitarian aid" we've been sending into Syria?
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Originally posted by maryjane:

If the following report is true, then the stakes just got a little higher.

Syrian warplanes strike inside Iraq


I wonder when the carrier based planes and drones will be seeing action (if they aren't already)?
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The problem as I see it is....Bush and Obama have the same foreign policy. US interest or Oil dependence is the driving factor of why we want/need friendly middle eastern Government.
The one's who have their big bucks tied up in Oil don't want to change to alternative fuel sources so they lobby congress and attempt to sway public opinion because well, greed is a powerful addiction.
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He must be on some other planet. Hes sure not on this one. No wonder hes got everything screwed up. Isnt this the same speech on the economy thats just as wrong....?
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even before 9/11, Cheney & the Oil Barons had divided up Iraq on paper. Then they got the excuse to make it so. Got their war booty within 5 years. Now some locals are screwing up the plans made before there even was a war.

If there is anything to be done - make it be paid for by either gas/diesel taxes, or directly by the Oil Barons, who are the only ones with actual interests.

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Megyn Kelly grills Dick Cheney: 'History has proven that you got it wrong in Iraq'
 
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"You said Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction," Kelly told Cheney. "You said we would be greeted as liberators. You said the insurgency was in the last throes, back in 2005. And you said after our intervention that extremists would have to 'rethink their strategy of jihad.' Now with almost $1 trillion spent there, with 4,500 American lives lost there, what do you say to those who say, 'You were so wrong about so much at the expense of so many'?"


When Fox news calls out one of its own. You know you really stepped in it.

http://news.yahoo.com/megyn...rview-135553569.html

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I wonder when the carrier based planes and drones will be seeing action (if they aren't already)?


Already there, watching......allegedly.

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Already there, watching......allegedly.


That's what I read. I also read that Turkey would be OK with an independent Kurdistan. Iran would have a tough call on that one.
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Originally posted by nosrac:

Megyn Kelly grills Dick Cheney: 'History has proven that you got it wrong in Iraq'

When Fox news calls out one of its own. You know you really stepped in it.



I was just saying something very similar about Dick Cheney, but on another active thread:

//www.fiero.nl/forum/F...HTML/107242.html#p15

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When Fox news calls out one of its own. You know you really stepped in it.





Why would you come to such an erroneous conclusion? It had nothing to do with "...Cheney stepped in it..."

It has to do with a reporter actually being objective and having people's assertions and conclusions be challenged and them having to defend their viewpoint.


You may not recognize it because you haven't seen it done by the mainstream media to the president for 6 years, and his campaign before that.
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Why would you come to such an erroneous conclusion? It had nothing to do with "...Cheney stepped in it..."

It has to do with a reporter actually being objective and having people's assertions and conclusions be challenged and them having to defend their viewpoint.

You may not recognize it because you haven't seen it done by the mainstream media to the president for 6 years, and his campaign before that.


LoL....It has everything to do with Cheney is full of $h!t! He is blaming Obama for his shortsightedness. He was dead wrong and won't own up to it but I bet Halliburton's pockets are stupid fat though.

Sure the USA can keep peace in the region by keeping 200,000 troops over there indefinitely and spending a trillion dollars a year until we go the way of the dinosaur.

Cheney's, Bush's and Obama's Foreign policy is going to bankrupt the country. Spending over a Trillion Dollars on a war you can't win....C'mon man

No one wants to listen to Ron Paul but I think he is the ONLY one who has Foreign policy right.

BTW, Obama has been interviewed on Fox a few times but I guess that doesn't count because Fox is the mainstream media.
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I was just saying something very similar about Dick Cheney, but on another active thread:

//www.fiero.nl/forum/F...HTML/107242.html#p15



I read your post a agree 100% Dick should STFU and retire in the hills and live like royalty with all that Halliburton money he "earned" off the backs of many dead soldiers.
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