Originally posted by Patrick: ... Poor little Donny can't handle the heat.
"Poor little Donny" tried to make nice, the first time around, and was nearly eaten alive by his enemies. Absurd charges. Kangaroo courts. Even a couple of assassination attempts. The list goes on and on.
This time (which there wasn't supposed to even be a "this time" - if they had their way) the gloves are off. I don't blame him. Not even a little bit.
But what does that have to do with Kimmel and Trump? Kimmel was talking about Charlie Kirk.
Regardless, for those who haven't been listening, freedom of speech does NOT mean freedom from consequences. But what do you care about "free speech in America"? Or anything in America, for that matter - except to whine about it, when it doesn't suit you?
Oh pulleeese... Trump has been gunning for Kimmel for quite awhile. Listen and learn...
Cry me a river.
Being Canadian, you may not know this but under Biden the federal government pressured the major social media companies to silence critics and opposing opinions. The feds even had their own portal to flag social media posts for deletion and to ban users.
Thanks for all of a sudden deciding that free speech is important. Maybe you should champion it in your own country first.
Being Canadian, you may not know this but under Biden the federal government pressured the major social media companies to silence critics and opposing opinions.
So... tell me how many TV shows got pulled under Biden's watch due to criticism of Biden and his administration. Like what... zero?
So far, Colbert has had his contract cancelled (as of next year), and Kimmel's show was just abruptly removed from the network. If you can't see where this is going, and the detrimental effect it's ultimately going to have on the US, you are only deceiving yourself.
I imagine that the Aliens, err, Angels had technology to toss bolides into the atmosphere, accurate to a few yards. Like a ten megaton nuke, without the radioactive fallout, a big bang, hot enough to glaze clay tiles, like, real hot. The evidence is there on the ground. a layer of ash. Demonic Media Celebrates Left Wing Violence ' I love you Johnny ! Will you wait for me ? ' ' I can't Tyler, I've already fornicated with several others at the condos, you know I need the nut, that's why I'm a pretend girl, pretending, ' Shemale, the life of the party at Tyler's apartment, just yesterday, forty wranglers laying pipe, a swell time was had ! What's better than a nut deep in the chute ? Twenty. ! You can watch that action on Tyler's channel, they film forn to entertain themselves, stimulate the party-goers, sell admission tickets to their gang-bangs. ' It's Biblical, the very reasons that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed by meteors, the demons instantly vaporized. ' Tall el-Hammam Sodom
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Patrick, I think you know this, but context is often lost, especially when there's a feeling that our side has been "wronged" in some way. The 1st Amendment of the U.S. Constitution only applies to the Government, and our mandate on what we allow (or disallow) the government to do. The Constitution is effectively written "by the people" to the future governing body of the United States. Freedom of speech and freedom of the press is interpreted as ... cannot be infringed upon by the Government, as this is the context in which the Constitution is written. In any example where there's been a "free speech" lawsuit, it involves the Government, or an entity that's funded by the government. For example... colleges. Colleges are required to maintain free speech and public discourse (within the confines of the law), for colleges that are funded by public / taxpayer dollars.
Totally private schools are not required to abide by any of these laws... but they are still under anti-discrimination laws... because that is a LAW... not a Constitutional amendment. I can't think of any left-leaning schools, since they're almost all funded by public dollars in some way, but on the right, you have Hillsdale College, which is a very conservative school. Although they will happily invite anyone to their campus to speak, they have the absolute authority to reject anyone they don't want.
So, ABC eliminating Jimmy Kimmel 100% has nothing to do with free speech. If you want my honest opinion, the real reason Jimmy Kimmel was axed is because the "late night TV" show concept has been failing for the past... I dunno... decade maybe? Yes, Jimmy Kimmel has fans, but his viewer base has declined significantly over the past decade.
This is a really shitty image, and I apologize... but it shows how Jimmy Kimmel, Colbert, and Fallon have all had declining ratings:
My personal opinion, it has nothing to do with politics (the decline in ratings I mean), it just has to do with the fact that younger people are not really watching these shows anymore... they don't watch cable, they stream stuff. So, the point I'm trying to make is... ABC saw an opportunity. Jimmy Kimmel is under contract, and the only way to end that contract is if you can somehow prove that Jimmy was in violation of the contract. In this case, they're using the argument to say he violated the personal conduct clause of the contract. In effect, this was the opportunity (excuse) they needed to cancel the show, because it's losing millions of dollars a year.
So... tell me how many TV shows got pulled under Biden's watch due to criticism of Biden and his administration. Like what... zero?
Respectfully, it was really bad. Agree or disagree... there was a strong coordinated campaign by Democrats and the Biden administration, following 2021 (after January 6), and they took multiple news networks off the air. You can do your own research on this, but I'll provide a couple of links below. OAN, a private news network that had exploded in popularity (was significantly more popular than NewsMax at the time), had been forced off the air by legislators demanding that networks take the channel off their lineup. DirecTV, Verizon, and two others removed OAN from their line-up, including two others which were less known. It also included NewsMax, and they tried to get Fox News off the air. These were news stations.
No one was going to kick FoxNews off, because it's the #1 rated news channel, and NewsMax, which is owned by multiple individuals, eventually came to an agreement and it was put back on. OAN became streaming only. Only recently in the past 6 months, has OAN been added back to one of the news stations... Roku added it as a free channel, and YouTubeTV just added it also.
Patrick, I believe all kimmel had to do was walk back his claim from monday's monologue with a crocodile tear apology when the true facts came out, he did not. The problem I see is that the late night "comics" have gotten away with saying anything they want when it comes to disparaging the RED portion of the country, with out repurcussion (garbage, uneducated, deplorable, nazi, facist, the list goes on), and no I don't pretend that it also doesn't flow in the other direction. Kimmel had the opportunity to take a higher road than his peers with his comments, and he chose to get down in the mud with the rest of the idiots who made stupid remarks.
Kimmel and Rosie, both living in a world of their own lies, pathetic losers.Fire and Sword, what the demons understand. CNN ! :' Jimmy Kimmel shot in drive-by assassination outside his broadcast studio ! Plugged full of holes ! Bled out on sidewalk ! Pictures at Eleven ! ' A Witness says ' It sounded like Chinese firecrackers, like, hundreds of shots ! ' ' By the time I ran up to the scene, there was a ten foot pool of bludd, brains were blown out, grey matter., looked like a mob hit. ' ' Oh those maga types, always with the machine guns ! ' ~ Jim Acosta It never stops, they are demons ! ' Kimmel had a motor mouth, always talking sheet, now, we don't have to hear that no more. ' ~ a trans Marxist trigger-man, at his arraignment.
So... tell me how many TV shows got pulled under Biden's watch due to criticism of Biden and his administration. Like what... zero? ...
Todd already outlined this, but you also need to realize that the networks were on the same side of the aisle as "Biden and company". During the Biden regime, none of the regular network programming was in danger, just for trashing Trump. If anything, Biden was on board with it (as if...). You can bet your last dollar that if they were trashing Biden, that they would have come under a great deal of scrutiny and pressure. (As did Meta and other social media platforms.)
As I posted earlier, people are tired of listening to the whining and bleating from the left. Now that they can do something about it, they are. No tears from me. And remember. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from the consequences of that speech.
The Horror ! I woke because my right arm became numb, Joy sleeping on it. Behar utters some more drivel. It had started out swell the night before, a few drinks at the hotel restaurant's bar, I had ordered a decent steak and mushrooms with home fried potatoes and green beans, rare and tasty. Later, I was joined by several news types, some anecdotes were shared, laughs were had, I got up to return to my suite at 1am, a tart tagged along, so I agreed to spank her as she wished. ' Waking with Behar ', a shudder of regret washing over me, a filled condom still clinging to my junk, a massive hangover, I needed a shower and shave, get back to the courthouse before ten, my client appearing before a jury. I massaged my arm to get the circulation going, left $50 on the nightstand.
he said the very thing the nazi's do not want to hear
to bad so sad we use to have a free press
now dead killed by the nazi's who claim they are not nazi
btw C K was no saint just a god of gun's NUT
THOSE WHO WANT THIS CENSORSHIP ARE THE PROBLEM NOT ANY SOLUTION
And on que here is an example of the issue that started this whole thread. Rather than be sensible, Ray comes in and starts with the NAZI, NAZI, NAZI. and he calls the right brainwashed.
And on que here is an example of the issue that started this whole thread. Rather than be sensible, Ray comes in and starts with the NAZI, NAZI, NAZI. and he calls the right brainwashed.
Nothing stopping Kimmel from finding a new network and continue. He can stand on the street corner and spew his nonsense all he wants. No one is taking his free speech away. But the networks are having to address false information, not because of free speech but because it affects their bottom line. But if his employer or future employers don't like it they have the right to fire him or not return his call. Same as any employee/employer Where did that get lost?
The FBI’s ‘Arctic Frost’ Effort to Freeze the Right
Unfortunately for the many good agents and employees doing their jobs well and upholding their oaths, the Federal Bureau of Investigation has a long history of corruption and shady investigations. It didn’t start or end with the FBI’s efforts against Donald Trump, beginning during the 2016 campaign.
In the aftermath of the 2020 election, the FBI launched a probe of nearly 100 Republican and conservative groups, including Turning Point USA, the organization co-founded in 2012 by the late Charlie Kirk.
We know this thanks to two Republican senators — Iowa’s Chuck Grassley and Wisconsin’s Ron Johnson. Earlier this week, they published a tranche of files related to the probe, codenamed “Arctic Frost,” which was begun in April 2022 before being turned over to Special Counsel Jack Smith in November of that year.
“Arctic Frost was much broader than just an electoral matter,” Grassley said, because it “expanded to Republican organizations.” He explained:
"In total, 92 Republican targets, including Republican groups and Republican-linked individuals, were placed under the investigative scope of Arctic Frost. On that political list was one of Charlie Kirk’s groups, Turning Point USA. In other words, Arctic Frost wasn’t just a case to politically investigate Trump. It was the vehicle by which partisan FBI agents and DOJ prosecutors could achieve their partisan ends and improperly investigate the entire Republican political apparatus."
In short, after the FBI hamstrung the early years of Trump’s first term, followed by Robert Mueller’s special counsel investigation, the FBI expanded its efforts to include scores of organizations that fought to get to the bottom of what happened in the 2020 presidential election or had even the most tangential connection to the Capitol riot on January 6, 2021. That, in turn, blew up into Smith’s probe, which was a thinly veiled attempt to lend legitimacy to the Democrats’ lawfare against Trump.
Was there any evidence of criminal wrongdoing that might justify investigating 92 conservative organizations? It’s easy to imagine that someone somewhere didn’t dot an i or cross a t, and some efforts to ferret out fraud crossed the lines of propriety, if not legality.
Yet the message is clear: Elements within the FBI were exercising partisan lawfare against Donald Trump and his supporters.
This reminds me of two things from history: The IRS Tea Party scandal and the FBI’s surveillance of Martin Luther King Jr.
First, the IRS under Barack Obama essentially created an “enemies list” of Tea Party and Patriot organizations that were targeted for audit or delays in tax-exempt approval. As Mark Alexander detailed regarding that case, “Needless to say, Barack Obama and his black-bag dirty tricks team learned well from their Democrat predecessors, FDR, JFK and Clinton, how to use the Internal Revenue Service to harass their opponents. But they also learned a few things from Richard Nixon about the importance of using cutouts.” Cutouts are essentially surrogates who know what to do to avoid implicating those they’re doing it for. Alexander added, “Nixon resigned to avoid impeachment after being caught on tape discussing the Watergate burglary with key staffers, where today those staffers would never directly discuss such abuse of power with a sitting president.”
There almost surely wasn’t an email, text, or phone call from Obama to Lois Lerner, the golden-parachute recipient who led the IRS’s probes, telling her what to do to target his political opponents. But he didn’t have to “order the code red.” She knew what to do.
The same could be said of the FBI under Obama and then Joe Biden. Former Director James Comey and the agents who shared his political persuasion knew exactly how to make life difficult for Trump and his associates. It’s a deep state problem — unelected bureaucrats at various levels who are unaccountable to voters but who are highly motivated partisan actors.
Second, back in July, the Trump administration released 240,000 pages of records regarding FBI surveillance of Martin Luther King Jr. In 1977, a court put a seal on those records, and his family opposed the release. “He was relentlessly targeted by an invasive, predatory, and deeply disturbing disinformation and surveillance campaign orchestrated by J. Edgar Hoover,” King’s children said in a statement. “The intent of the government’s COINTELPRO campaign was not only to monitor, but to discredit, dismantle and destroy Dr. King’s reputation and the broader American Civil Rights Movement.”
My point isn’t to litigate King’s case against the FBI. It’s to say that the FBI, for at least some political reasons, targeted Martin Luther King and Charlie Kirk.
That is among the reasons why King’s assassination is the closest thing I can think of to Kirk’s in its impact and consequences. The comparison isn’t precise for many reasons, of course, but both were men of faith who led major movements and recruited many Americans to join them. MLK worked for civil rights for blacks. Kirk fought for free speech rights for conservatives.
They were both shot to death in their 30s precisely because of what they stood for.
Make of that what you will.
Democrats and left-wingers everywhere may soon regret the long-running precedents they have set. Trump just designated antifa as a domestic terrorist organization. When Vice President JD Vance guest hosted Kirk’s podcast on Monday, he promised a crackdown on left-wing groups “promoting violence.”
Trump and his administration, for better or worse, have shown they aren’t afraid to beat Democrats at their own game. And hoo boy, they can’t stand it.
Ray, with out the name calling, and reverting to calling everyone that doesn't agree with you a NAZI. Please explain to me your rational behind your statements. Are you upset because a "comic" was placed on unlimited suspension for spreading misinformation?.
Ray, with out the name calling, and reverting to calling everyone that doesn't agree with you a NAZI. Please explain to me your rational behind your statements. Are you upset because a "comic" was placed on unlimited suspension for spreading misinformation?.
THE COMIC SHOW BY YOUR NAZI WAS NEVER FUNNY
Sinclair IS A PIG WHO MISINFORMS
THE CRAZY RUMP NEVER SPEAKS ANY TRUTH WHEN HE CAN LIE
BUT JEFF IS A LIE TOO FAR TO BELIEVE
NAZI IS THE CORE VALUE OF THE RUMP CULT i WISH IT WAS NOT SO
If I recall correctly, he was hired because he was cutting edge and somewhat funny and I did enjoy watching the show. He no longer is. I won't miss him or the other one that has been discontinued.
Originally posted by bonaduce: Ray, with out the name calling, and reverting to calling everyone that doesn't agree with you a NAZI. Please explain to me your rational behind your statements. ...
He can't. It's just the talking points that he's memorized from the left wing hate sites. Very little - if any - thought process went into it.
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The foreign antagonist certainly lives up to his reputation.
Do you even have the semblance of a clue what the First Amendment to the Constitution means?
Ray, why all the internet yelling. I asked a question, if you are unable to answer it, just simply say "I don't know, let me look into that, get you the facts, get back to you" .
Thank you.
On a side note, watching season 18 ep 5 of snl. Opening skit with "Ross perot" is pretty funny.
Patrick, I believe all kimmel had to do was walk back his claim from monday's monologue with a crocodile tear apology when the true facts came out, he did not.
Dan, why should he "walk back" something that doesn't require it? What exactly would he be apologizing for? The suspected killer grew up in a Republican household. You don't think that two decades worth of indoctrination by his MAGA parents might've contributed to the way he turned out?
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Originally posted by bonaduce:
The problem I see is that the late night "comics" have gotten away with saying anything they want...
Isn't that what comics and comedians have always done? As long as they're not inciting violence (ie resurrections) against others, what's the problem? There are comics and comedians on both sides of the political spectrum. If you don't like the politics of one, change the channel and find a different one whose views more reflect your own.
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Originally posted by bonaduce:
Kimmel had the opportunity to take a higher road than his peers with his comments, and he chose to get down in the mud with the rest of the idiots who made stupid remarks.
"Stupid remarks" is debatable... but yes, it was his choice. That's the way it's supposed to be in a free country. But now you've got a Trump-appointed FCC chairperson (Brendan Carr) who's doing the dirty work for little Donny, by terminating the ability of certain American entertainers from speaking their mind about the POTUS. Even if you don't like Colbert or Kimmel, doesn't it concern you the direction the US is going?
Great, an analysis by "AI Overview". Seems totally legit.
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Originally posted by olejoedad:
Media Bias/Fact Check (MBFC) is an independent online outlet that analyzes the bias and factual accuracy of news sources, but its methodology and reliability have received mixed reviews. While it is a widely used resource, particularly in educational settings, critics and media experts have questioned its research credentials and the potential for bias in its ratings.
What's your point? Media Bias/Fact Check was the site you chose to try and throw doubt over the credibility of a news source that Cliff Pennock had cited. Yes, you tried... and you failed miserably.
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Originally posted by olejoedad:
The foreign antagonist certainly lives up to his reputation.
Joe, I'm sorry that the rest of us are incapable of aspiring to your elitist standards.
Deporting all the Counter Constitutional Bolsheviks to Cochise AZ, railed there by cattle cars, 20K per train, arriving at the siding every twenty minutes on schedule. ' Please follow the yellow line to the showers, leave everything in the containers beside the platform, you will need nothing, all will be provided to you, wash thoroughly with the soaps. ' ' Present yourself to the medical staff for your haircut and nail clipping, it is important that you maintain personal hygiene for healthy fitness. ' The beginning of their seven years of usefulness, indentured labor to build the walls, coast to coast, 60' tall, 8' thick, 10' deep, tapered, to 3' at the top, hollow, ribbed on the inside. Millions of tons of limestone Geopolymer, a project rivaling the Pyramids at Giza, twenty, thirty, million laborers doing what they're told to do. A labor camp on a gigantic scale, tents for miles, millions of the usual suspects, illegals, communists, zombies, homeless, trolls, rehabilitated, learning the truth, returning to reality, becoming American, again. ' I used to host a network late-night show, then I got fired, so here I am, busting limestone rocks into smaller limestone rocks. When I get out in 2033, I'll be funnier, funnier than now ! ' A future America free of contamination by Marxist zealots, the delusional zombies, the untermenschen. There will be many more, after the World War.
It's my personal opinion that ABC/Disney was simply looking for an opportunity to dump a show with very low ratings. Kimmel provided the ammunition that took him down. It wasn't the FCC or the President that fired him. But, some will argue otherwise just because arguing is half of their fun in being here. Stir every pot.
The First Amendment does not guarantee that one is not responsible for that speech, nor does it guarantee future employment. Telling lies is not in the public interest.
One should become familiar with the licensing requirements and rules concerning public broadcasting in the US, they were written long ago.
