He tried to kill another lawmaker and spouse too but luckily they survived. He was appointed twice by two Democrat governors including Tim Walz to a state board. His vehicle was full of the leftist "No Kings" movement flyers.
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He tried to kill another lawmaker and spouse too but luckily they survived. He was appointed twice by Democrat governor Tim Walz to a state board. His vehicle was full of the leftist "No Kings" movement flyers.
Doug, you really should check your sources. Boelter was appointed once by Gov. Drayton in 2016 and Gov. Walz in 2019. His room mate / friend said on air that he is a Trump supporter who allegedly voted for Trump in the last election.
It appears to me that you are implying by your post that Boelter was a left-wing nut case and by that, you are implying that anyone with opinions left of yours are suspect. The fact is, he is a sick man who killed two legislators and tried to kill two more.
It does not matter whether he’s a Republican, Democrat, Independent, Communist, or politically agnostic. He’s a wanted fugitive who when caught will be indicted and tried. If convicted, he will be sentenced and face justice unless pardoned.
Agree or disagree, it’s your choice but that’s how you are coming across to me.
Doug, you really should check your sources. Boelter was appointed once by Gov. Drayton in 2016 and Gov. Walz in 2019. His room mate / friend said on air that he is a Trump supporter who allegedly voted for Trump in the last election.
It appears to me that you are implying by your post that Boelter was a left-wing nut case and by that, you are implying that anyone with opinions left of yours are suspect. The fact is, he is a sick man who killed two legislators and tried to kill two more.
It does not matter whether he’s a Republican, Democrat, Independent, Communist, or politically agnostic. He’s a wanted fugitive who when caught will be indicted and tried. If convicted, he will be sentenced and face justice unless pardoned.
Agree or disagree, it’s your choice but that’s how you are coming across to me.
"His room mate..."
He had a roommate? The guy was married with like 4 kids... why was he living with a roommate? I'm confused...
Cliff, include the whole quote. Let’s not just cherry pick it to try and prove your point. I said, “ It appears to me that you are implying by your post that Boelter was a left-wing nut case and by that, you are implying that anyone with opinions left of yours are suspect. The fact is, he is a sick man who killed two legislators and tried to kill two more.”
I don’t care if he’s left, right, or centre and neither should you or anyone else. He is a sick man who when caught will face the justice system as he should.
As for the “no kings” stuff, are you now saying that you support a king for the United States? That’s scary. It’s a big change from what the Founding Fathers intended. But then they also intended the government to be formed of three co-equal branches (Legislative, Judicial, and Executive) to balance each other that seems to be going away so, yeah, I can see where a monarchy is possible. If it happens, let’s just hope it’s a constitutional monarchy like Canada and Australia have rather than an absolute monarchy. I cannot see Don Jr., Eric, or Baron as the leader of the U.S.
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C'mon Mike. Do you think a right wing leaning person would have "No Kings" flyers ?
Does it make more sense that a left-leaning person would assassinate fellow Democrats?
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I don’t care if he’s left, right, or centre and neither should you or anyone else. He is a sick man who when caught will face the justice system as he should.
Agreed.
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Yet you made a concerted effort to "correct" the O/P, who was completely factual in his post. Good show.
He is nitpicking that I posted that Tim Walz appoint in twice when Walz only appointed him once. It was a different Democrat governor who appointed him the first time. That makes such a huge difference.
He is nitpicking that I posted that Tim Walz appoint in twice when Walz only appointed him once. It was a different Democrat governor who appointed him the first time. That makes such a huge difference.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: I was asking a question... but you seem ready for a fight. That was the point I was trying to make.
That wasn't a "good one" or an attack on you, I was merely just trying to figure out what your problem is.
Sorry. I missed your question, completely. I still don’t follow you. As a politician over here is prone to say, “Please explain”.
I don’t have a problem and I didn’t think your response was an attack on me. It did seem a bit passive-aggressive but there’s a lot of that on this particular forum.
To restate my point, to me, the OP implied that Vance Boelter was a leftist appointed twice by Gov. Walz to a government position. That’s incorrect but I don’t think that’s important. What is important is that it doesn’t matter what Boelter’s political leaning is, what happened is wrong and now that he has been caught, he will face due process and if found guilty, punished.
BTW, I’d feel the same way if the victims were Republicans or MAGA.
Some of you are a being little wacky in support of your chosen narratives. Let's just list out what we actually know...
His last known registration is from 2004, and is Republican. His wife was also a registered Republican (MN doesn’t require registration, so the information since they moved there is understandably missing)
His recent social media posts contain conservative viewpoints, especially pro-life and anti-LGBT stances, but no liberal-leaning posts have been identified as of yet.
He is a supporter of Donald Trump, and attended campaign rallies for him.
He was appointed to a government role by a Democratic Governor, and another Democratic Governor before him.
Both of those governors appointed a considerable number of conservatives and Republicans (Walz appointed at least Margaret Leppik, David Asp, Ronald Abrams, Gordon Moore, Susan Segal, and Theodora Gaïtas in addition to Boelter).
He shot 2 Democrat elected officials and their family members (and dog )
He had a list of more than 70 targets, all pro-choice Democrat officials or abortion providers.
He had fliers for local ‘No Kings’ protests in his car.
Now, you can call a MAGA-rally-attending, Trump-supporting, Republican-registering, anti-abortion, anti-LGBTQ, Democrat-only-shooting person a "leftist" because (checks list)...he was appointed by a Democrat governor and had rally flyers in his car...but it seems more likely to me we are going to continue solidifying the evidence that this was a MAGA-motivated attack.
I think it's important for us to also keep in mind that all of MAGA did not commit this attack, and while the rhetoric inherent in the movement is almost certainly involved in emboldening this individual, that does not implicate the movement itself. It may be time to do some self-reflection, though, on what it means to feed on people's anger for political benefit, same as it was when that lunatic shot at Trump.
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Originally posted by Mike in Sydney: To restate my point, to me, the OP implied that Vance Boelter was a leftist appointed twice by Gov. Walz to a government position. That’s incorrect but I don’t think that’s important.
I disagree with you here. The first two words in this conversation are "Leftist Assassin." There was a huge rush of misinformation to paint this as a leftist attack...to get ahead of the facts and establish a narrative before the truth had a chance to come out. That it was spearheaded by the official election-funding oligarch of the Republican party, at least one US Senator, and a cabal of Conservative talking heads is alarming. It made it's way here...Doug was pretty clearly tricked by it, and Ray, Cliff, and JDV appear to have been as well.
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Sorry. I missed your question, completely. I still don’t follow you. As a politician over here is prone to say, “Please explain”.
I don’t have a problem and I didn’t think your response was an attack on me. It did seem a bit passive-aggressive but there’s a lot of that on this particular forum.
To restate my point, to me, the OP implied that Vance Boelter was a leftist appointed twice by Gov. Walz to a government position. That’s incorrect but I don’t think that’s important. What is important is that it doesn’t matter what Boelter’s political leaning is, what happened is wrong and now that he has been caught, he will face due process and if found guilty, punished.
BTW, I’d feel the same way if the victims were Republicans or MAGA.
All I asked was why the man had a "roommate" if he lived with his family. It leads me to believe there's more to the story of his personal life. I said nothing about anything else related to your comments.
I again will just state... if you have a bunch of daughters ranging in age from 6 to teenager... it seems odd to me that you would have a grown-man unrelated to the family... a "rommate," living in your house with them.
As far as my opinion of the shooter, and the political narrative... the last dozen or so shooters (almost all of them) have either been trans, some kind of left-leaning person, or whatever. This person is more than likely a "conservative." But the one thing they all have in common, is that they are insane. The left tends to accept people with mental illness more readily than people on the right. Or I'd say... the draw from the left is greater on the left, simply because (other than their more or less dislike of Jews), the left tends to be more accepting of socially fringe ideas... which also (unfortunately) comes with it a sense of mental illness. While an insane person might align their actions with a political agenda... or a movie star they like, or an environmental cause, or any of the other reasons crazy people do what they do... it comes down to the fact that these people are insane.
The way you kind of "came at me" is more indicative of how things have gotten over the past few decades. My personal opinion is that the Democrats used "fear" with Trump far more than what would be normal. It's not a new tactic, but they've certainly taken advantage of it... but the rhetoric on both sides has gotten pretty heated. People have made politics part of their personality... who they are as an individual. It didn't used to be like this back in the day, like under Clinton (whom I voted for). I remember you could have comedians like Chris Farley come in and pretend to be Newt Gingrich, and everyone in the House loved it.
Personally, I think the radicalization of students in college, coupled with social media and the constant barage of negativity is what has brought many people to the edge of their sanity. I also personally think the food we eat and the drugs we take (or that get flushed into our water supplies) also have a direct correlation to the increase in mental illness... but I say that with no scientific backing, just a hunch when I'm considering what's changed from the 80s to now.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: As far as my opinion of the shooter, and the political narrative... the last dozen or so shooters (almost all of them) have either been trans, some kind of left-leaning person, or whatever.
Ok, I took this challenge. "Shooters" is a little vague, but if I include all trans folks I can find in mass shootings, shootings of public persons, or just widely publicized shootings...I can find 5 total trans "shooters" in the last 10 years. There are a few more convicted murderers and whatnot...but not what I think we mean when we say "shooters" here. We have 500-600 mass shootings a year in the US. Back of the napkin math tells me that is about 0.8%. Another quick search tells me trans folks are about 1.3% of the population. They're actually under-represented in mass shootings.
Non-trans men -on the other hand- make up about 98% of mass shooting perpetrators, while only making up 44-47% of the population. They are so over-represented in this dataset it is almost statistically exclusionary to all other groups.
So trans folks are such a statistically insignificant portion of both the population and mass shootings numbers that I'm not sure why they are getting a specific callout here.
I can't find any aggregate information on mass shooters' political affiliations. I have found 1-2 shootings that were expressly committed by leftist gunmen to support leftist causes, but at least as many from conservatives. I'd defer to whatever reasonable sources you have.
I don't think this kind of political violence 'belongs' to one side or the other...I think it belongs to people already predisposed to violence with access to resources to carry them out.
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Ok, I took this challenge. "Shooters" is a little vague, but if I include all trans folks I can find in mass shootings, shootings of public persons, or just widely publicized shootings...I can find 5 total trans "shooters" in the last 10 years. There are a few more convicted murderers and whatnot...but not what I think we mean when we say "shooters" here. We have 500-600 mass shootings a year in the US. Back of the napkin math tells me that is about 0.8%. Another quick search tells me trans folks are about 1.3% of the population. They're actually under-represented in mass shootings.
Non-trans men -on the other hand- make up about 98% of mass shooting perpetrators, while only making up 44-47% of the population. They are so over-represented in this dataset it is almost statistically exclusionary to all other groups.
So trans folks are such a statistically insignificant portion of both the population and mass shootings numbers that I'm not sure why they are getting a specific callout here.
I can't find any aggregate information on mass shooters' political affiliations. I have found 1-2 shootings that were expressly committed by leftist gunmen to support leftist causes, but at least as many from conservatives. I'd defer to whatever reasonable sources you have.
I don't think this kind of political violence 'belongs' to one side or the other...I think it belongs to people already predisposed to violence with access to resources to carry them out.
There's TONS of shootings... but when I say shootings, it's the ones where everyone immediately jumps to make a political affiliation to. That is:
1 - School shootings. 2 - Politically motivated hostage situations (like the Discovery channel thing) 3 - Political shootings (hose/senate baseball game shooting, this one, etc.) 4 - Bombings at Abortion Clinics... or Anti-Abortion Support Centers, etc.
I use "trans" as a cover-all term for things like anyone who refers to themselves other than him/her (has "pronouns). Most of the recent shootings have been people who have had pronouns. It's fairly obvious of those kinds of shootings that we've seen... most of them within the past decade have been left-leaning. Again I say... it's really just that these people are insane. Insane people go to fringe ideas... whether it's someone who wants to join the NAZI encampment on the dark side of the moon, or they decide that they want to cut their dick off at the age of 16. A person who's trans and shooting people, is an insane person... they're trans because they're insane. There are non-insane trans people... these people don't do shootings.
Regardless... rhetoric needs to tone down. I think, personally, it's greater on the left, but I accept it could just be my exposure to it. Most of my friends are left-leaning, and of course, I'm responsible for everything a Republican politician does. But regardless... people have started to take politics as their personality. I'm Republican in name only...
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: I use "trans" as a cover-all term for things like anyone who refers to themselves other than him/her (has "pronouns). Most of the recent shootings have been people who have had pronouns.
I'm perfectly fine with that definition of trans...but I'm still seeing 5.
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: It's fairly obvious of those kinds of shootings that we've seen... most of them within the past decade have been left-leaning. Again I say... it's really just that these people are insane. Insane people go to fringe ideas... whether it's someone who wants to join the NAZI encampment on the dark side of the moon, or they decide that they want to cut their dick off at the age of 16. A person who's trans and shooting people, is an insane person... they're trans because they're insane. There are non-insane trans people... these people don't do shootings.
I don't see the rational value in continuing to bring up trans people when they make up such a small proportion of mass shootings, both numerically and proportionally.
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Regardless... rhetoric needs to tone down. I think, personally, it's greater on the left, but I accept it could just be my exposure to it. Most of my friends are left-leaning, and of course, I'm responsible for everything a Republican politician does. But regardless... people have started to take politics as their personality. I'm Republican in name only...
I agree with this....like completely. I think we all have a tendency to see what is leveraged at us much more than what comes from us, and that is very important to keep in mind.
Originally posted by NewDustin: I don't see the rational value in continuing to bring up trans people when they make up such a small proportion of mass shootings, both numerically and proportionally.
I only mention it because of the last 10 school shootings, many of them (a majority?) have been trans / pronoun-based.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: I only mention it because of the last 10 school shootings, many of them (a majority?) have been trans / pronoun-based.
Since 2019 there have been 2 trans school shooters -Alec McKinney (2019) and Aiden Hale (2023)- and more than 200 shootings. There hasn't been a single trans shooter in the last 80 school shootings.
Since 2019 there have been 2 trans school shooters -Alec McKinney (2019) and Aiden Hale (2023)- and more than 200 shootings. There hasn't been a single trans shooter in the last 80 school shootings.
Again, it goes to what you define as "trans." As far as I'm concerned... "trans" is anyone who does not use he/him or she/her based on their sex at birth. I lump non-binary, they/them, race/car, etc... all into trans. I think for the sake of the argument, we can use that... since the point is that these are all mentally-ill people who believe they have some level of gender dysphoria. There have been at least four high-profile ones in the past few years.
There's also what we define as a "school shooting." And what we're ALSO talking about here, is a deranged child who indiscriminately goes to a school and attempts to shoot up as many people as possible. Counting instances where, for example... a 19 year old that's held back in Chicago goes to school and shoots a kid that wronged him the previous day, and then runs away... that, while yes... is technically a school shooting, that person is not necessarily mentally ill and is obviously not what we're talking about.
"Control of language" ends up being a way to shift the narrative... no matter how you look at it. Remember, we're talking about political narrative. The shootings are not random shootings in crime-ridden school districts with gangs. We're talking about the deranged kid, usually in a good school district, who brings a gun to school with the intent to kill as many people as they can. And yes... the majority of those lately have been "trans."
To the point, all four of those individuals are "trans," but I don't actually think they are. I think they're just mentally unwell, and they've picked being "trans" as something to hang their hat on, so to speak. I've known actual people with gender dysphoria... more than 25 years ago... and these are just ****ed up kids... not actual trans people. .
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: ... The left tends to accept people with mental illness more readily than people on the right. Or I'd say... the draw from the left is greater on the left, simply because (other than their more or less dislike of Jews), the left tends to be more accepting of socially fringe ideas... which also (unfortunately) comes with it a sense of mental illness. While an insane person might align their actions with a political agenda... or a movie star they like, or an environmental cause, or any of the other reasons crazy people do what they do... it comes down to the fact that these people are insane.
WTF, Todd??? Now you're bring religion into it? Where did you get the notion that people on the left more or less dislike Jews? From what I've observed, people left of centre are more accepting of people of other faiths be they Jew, Christian, Muslim, Hindu, or atheist.
Why do you think the left tends to be more accepting of socially fringe ideas? For that matter what do you consider a socially fringe idea? Equal rights? Healthcare for people that can't afford it? Shelter for the homeless? Seems like many of these "fringe" ideas are what my minister talks about every Sunday morning. Who was it that came up with such radical ideas? Oh, yeah. I remember. Jesus.
I think you went a bit too far, Todd. I really do.
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Originally posted by Mike in Sydney: WTF, Todd??? Now you're bring religion into it? Where did you get the notion that people on the left more or less dislike Jews? From what I've observed, people left of centre are more accepting of people of other faiths be they Jew, Christian, Muslim, Hindu, or atheist.
Why do you think the left tends to be more accepting of socially fringe ideas? For that matter what do you consider a socially fringe idea? Equal rights? Healthcare for people that can't afford it? Shelter for the homeless? Seems like many of these "fringe" ideas are what my minister talks about every Sunday morning. Who was it that came up with such radical ideas? Oh, yeah. I remember. Jesus.
I think you went a bit too far, Todd. I really do.
Your post is a bit messed up, so I cut some things out.
To answer this question specifically: "Where did you get the notion that people on the left more or less dislike Jews?"
Growing up... my personal exposure has seen that the left generally dislikes Jewish people. I moved to South Florida when I was 18, still a Democrat, and all of my friends were too. The comments people made (including maybe even myself at times, mostly through association) were all very anti-Jewish. Jews had, for a very long time, been Democrat-leaning. Many of them came to the U.S. relatively poor, and they worked union jobs in New York, and many of them eventually moved to Florida (the two places where the overwhelming vast majority of Jews in America live). Like you, I view "Judaism" as a religion... improperly I think... many Jews view it as a race.
There has always been this rhetoric from the Democrats that Jews own this or own that, or run this or run that... which I generally disregard. But I grew up hearing this from most of my friends. Fast forward... I married a Jewish woman, and we've been married for 20 years.
My daughter considers herself both... wears a star of David with a crucifix in the middle. She's friends with everyone, but she's constantly hearing anti-Jewish comments, kids making jokes, etc. These are kids... and I can disregard the same comments I heard when I was 19/20, etc.
But the anti-Jewish movement has been almost entirely from the left... and it hit a peak a couple of years ago in places like New York where certain minority groups were being very vocal about having to share community with Jewish people.
My entire family on my wife's side are Jewish... they are ultra-liberal... but they've waned significantly on politics over the past couple of years. They hate Trump... are always going on about it at family gatherings. They know I voted for Trump, can't understand how someone so wonderful could vote for Trump, blah blah... haha... but I don't really engage. But they also more or less hate Democrats now. The past couple of years have really been pivotal for the Jewish community.
I'd say that... regardless of where you stand on Israel / Palestine... the fact that this has gone on has led to people taking a stance that's become against Jews. On college campuses, Jews are harassed, prevented from going into class... and sometimes even beat up... just because they are visibly Jewish (have a star of David, or wear a yarmaku, etc.).
It's not something I think about regularly... but there is a shifting of the Jewish vote to the right. There's still a pretty solid majority... some 63-65% that vote Democrat still... but it's been a slow shift. What I can say... there are no right-leaning groups that are against Jewish people, but there are many left-leaning groups that generally take issue with Jews.
And on Jesus... yes... one of the things I tell my daughter every time... is that Jesus intentionally sought out those who were considered outcasts... whether that was those who were gay, lepers, or the poor. So, I've taught my daughter to treat everyone with respect.
Full Stop... my daughter is not Jesus. And she doesn't have an unlimited reserve of common sense and compassion. There's a limit to how much a teenager should have to absorb from all the problems of all the people she associates with. So, I've told her that while she needs to be kind and respect everyone... she also needs to learn to distance herself from those who consistently make their problems YOUR problems... as it can be emotionally draining and unfair to her as a person.
I think you kind of made this about religion, but I'm happy to respond to any questions, even if they are intentionally leading.
The police say there is extensive notes and writings but no manifesto. I see this as a dodge to keep the assassin's writings and thoughts away from public scrutiny. We saw how the Nashville police did everything they could to hide the trans killer's writings from the public. I see that being repeated here.
The assassin wore a mask and did every he could to hide his identity and pose as a police officer. There was no 911 call for service at the 2nd lawmaker's house. The police preemptively went there when they found out about the first attack. His plan was to murder these lawmakers and escape. Imagine if he had succeeded. There would have been two or more Democrat lawmakers dead with no one knowing who killed them. What would have been the reaction to that?
Your post is a bit messed up, so I cut some things out.
Your opinion and you're welcome to it.
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Growing up... my personal exposure has seen that the left generally dislikes Jewish people. I moved to South Florida when I was 18, still a Democrat, and all of my friends were too. The comments people made (including maybe even myself at times, mostly through association) were all very anti-Jewish. Jews had, for a very long time, been Democrat-leaning. Many of them came to the U.S. relatively poor, and they worked union jobs in New York, and many of them eventually moved to Florida (the two places where the overwhelming vast majority of Jews in America live). Like you, I view "Judaism" as a religion... improperly I think... many Jews view it as a race.
I predate you by many years and grew up in the Jim Crow South. I guess I was lucky to be influenced by people that judged people by their character and not by the colour of their skin or by their religion. Sorry about your experiences.
I remember Selma, Birmingham, and a host of others and you know what? I remember the folks that participated. I don't recall many being turned away because they were Jewish
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
There has always been this rhetoric from the Democrats that Jews own this or own that, or run this or run that... which I generally disregard. But I grew up hearing this from most of my friends.
WHAT? I hear that from uneducated people, from people that have National Socialist leanings (Nazi & Aryan), and from people that feel that they have been overlooked when it was their own laziness that caused them to be where they are. The statement that, "There has always been this rhetoric from the Democrats that Jews own this or own that, or run this or run that... " is specious and stupid. It's beneath you.
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Fast forward... I married a Jewish woman, and we've been married for 20 years.
Saying that you married a Jewish woman, and you've been married for 20 years doesn't make your statements true. (BTW, Congratulations on 20 years. Talk to me about marriage in another 30 years and you'll see what it's all about.)
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
My daughter considers herself both... wears a star of David with a crucifix in the middle. She's friends with everyone, but she's constantly hearing anti-Jewish comments, kids making jokes, etc. These are kids... and I can disregard the same comments I heard when I was 19/20, etc.
This statement does not support your arguments.
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
But the anti-Jewish movement has been almost entirely from the left... and it hit a peak a couple of years ago in places like
Give us proof, not hearsay. Where are these leftists that are anti-Jewish. Are they Proud Boys? Maybe they were the folks that participated in the Charlottesville Va. Unite the Right rally. Oh. wait. That doesn't sound right, does it? Why would an anti-Jewish, leftist liberal support the Proud Boys who are know for chanting, Jews will not replace us.
Maybe they are affiliates of Robert Bowers, the rabid white nationalist Tree of Life synagogue shooter. Those damn lefties! You can't trust them.
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
My entire family on my wife's side are Jewish... they are ultra-liberal... but they've waned significantly on politics over the past couple of years. They hate Trump... are always going on about it at family gatherings. They know I voted for Trump, can't understand how someone so wonderful could vote for Trump, blah blah... haha... but I don't really engage. But they also more or less hate Democrats now. The past couple of years have really been pivotal for the Jewish community.
They sound like intelligent, accepting people. I'm glad you've found someone to help you. I'm confused, though. How can people that hate Trump also "more or less hate Democrats now"? I'm just so confused...
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
I'd say that... regardless of where you stand on Israel / Palestine... the fact that this has gone on has led to people taking a stance that's become against Jews. On college campuses, Jews are harassed, prevented from going into class... and sometimes even beat up... just because they are visibly Jewish (have a star of David, or wear a yarmaku, etc.).
Let's not get into the middle-east, Gaza v. Israel, Israel v. Arabs / Muslims, O.K.? You'd probably be too shocked to see that we agree on some things to be able to carry on a reasonable discussion.
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What I can say... there are no right-leaning groups that are against Jewish people, but there are many left-leaning groups that generally take issue with Jews.
Say, what??? I suppose the Proud Boys, Aryan Brotherhood, Ku Klux Klan, and the other 30 or so U.S. organisations (found here https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...alist_organizations) are card-carrying Democrats. Who knew?
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And on Jesus... yes... one of the things I tell my daughter every time... is that Jesus intentionally sought out those who were considered outcasts... whether that was those who were gay, lepers, or the poor. So, I've taught my daughter to treat everyone with respect.
Full Stop... my daughter is not Jesus. And she doesn't have an unlimited reserve of common sense and compassion. There's a limit to how much a teenager should have to absorb from all the problems of all the people she associates with. So, I've told her that while she needs to be kind and respect everyone... she also needs to learn to distance herself from those who consistently make their problems YOUR problems... as it can be emotionally draining and unfair to her as a person.
Bravo.
You didn't win, Todd. The validity of your arguments do not hold water. They do bring a couple of quotes by famous people to mind, however.
Mark Twain wrote, “Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.” And Bill Murray said, “It’s hard to win a argument with a smart person, but it’s damn near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person.
Before you get all upset, I'm not calling you stupid but you sure have some ideas that fit into that category by my way of thinking. But you know what? That's O.K. because they are your ideas. I'm sure that you feel the same about me so let's agree to disagree and move on.
And with that, my comments on this matter are finished.
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Originally posted by Mike in Sydney: Your opinion and you're welcome to it.
No, I mean your post was literally messed up... you had nested quotes that didn't complete, so it was screwed up. That's what I meant.
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Originally posted by Mike in Sydney: WHAT? I hear that from uneducated people, from people that have National Socialist leanings (Nazi & Aryan), and from people that feel that they have been overlooked when it was their own laziness that caused them to be where they are. The statement that, "There has always been this rhetoric from the Democrats that Jews own this or own that, or run this or run that... " is specious and stupid. It's beneath you.
Saying that you married a Jewish woman, and you've been married for 20 years doesn't make your statements true. (BTW, Congratulations on 20 years. Talk to me about marriage in another 30 years and you'll see what it's all about.)
Bravo.
Give us proof, not hearsay. Where are these leftists that are anti-Jewish. Are they Proud Boys? Maybe they were the folks that participated in the Charlottesville Va. Unite the Right rally. Oh. wait. That doesn't sound right, does it? Why would an anti-Jewish, leftist liberal support the Proud Boys who are know for chanting, Jews will not replace us.
Maybe they are affiliates of Robert Bowers, the rabid white nationalist Tree of Life synagogue shooter. Those damn lefties! You can't trust them.
You didn't win, Todd. The validity of your arguments do not hold water. They do bring a couple of quotes by famous people to mind, however.
Mark Twain wrote, “Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.” And Bill Murray said, “It’s hard to win a argument with a smart person, but it’s damn near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person.
Before you get all upset, I'm not calling you stupid but you sure have some ideas that fit into that category by my way of thinking. But you know what? That's O.K. because they are your ideas. I'm sure that you feel the same about me so let's agree to disagree and move on.
And with that, my comments on this matter are finished.
I don't know what you thought I was trying to win. I also don't know why you're so upset. Is an insult to the Democrat party to be taken personally? This is the emphasis that I've been trying to make for a lot of the discussions here. I don't mean to be so direct, but you seem offended by my statements. An attack on the Democrat party should not be viewed as an attack on you personally. This is the problem with politics. I suspect that you view yourself... as in, your personality, is very much based on you being a "democrat." That is, your politics define who you are.
Everything else aside... that is the absolute worst position to be in, because it means you will automatically side with your party, regardless of whether or not it goes against your morals, ethics, and upbringing. This is the problem we have... I think it's far more prevalent on the left. Those on the right tend to turn to religion as their "being" and identity... but those on the left very often view their political party and political identity in the same way that many on the right view religion. In effect, the left's religion IS their politics.
Anyway, it's been well established that the left has both historically, and even more recently, been anti-Jewish. Here are two decent articles that you can read:
Originally posted by Mike in Sydney: Cliff, include the whole quote. Let’s not just cherry pick it to try and prove your point. I said, “ It appears to me that you are implying by your post that Boelter was a left-wing nut case and by that, you are implying that anyone with opinions left of yours are suspect. The fact is, he is a sick man who killed two legislators and tried to kill two more.”
I was not implying he was a left wing nut case. I am not of the opinion that any / all of people left of my views are suspect.
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Originally posted by Mike in Sydney: As for the “no kings” stuff, are you now saying that you support a king for the United States? That’s scary. It’s a big change from what the Founding Fathers intended. But then they also intended the government to be formed of three co-equal branches (Legislative, Judicial, and Executive) to balance each other that seems to be going away so, yeah, I can see where a monarchy is possible. If it happens, let’s just hope it’s a constitutional monarchy like Canada and Australia have rather than an absolute monarchy. I cannot see Don Jr., Eric, or Baron as the leader of the U.S.
No, I am not saying that I support a king for the United States. The "No Kings" movement is trying to paint Trump as a leader acting as a king. Ridiculous. Most glaring of all is that a King would not let his subjects to impede his rulings, such as local district judges are making rulings nationwide. It is also of note that Trump is asking a higher court to overturn such rulings.
Is an insult to <snip> to be taken personally? This is the emphasis that I've been trying to make for a lot of the discussions here. I don't mean to be so direct, but you seem offended by my statements. An attack on <snip> should not be viewed as an attack on you personally. This is the problem with politics. I suspect that you view yourself... as in, your personality, is very much based on you being a <snip>. That is, your politics define who you are.
Everything else aside... that is the absolute worst position to be in, because it means you will automatically side with <snip>, regardless of whether or not it goes against your morals, ethics, and upbringing.
For sure. I see this a lot when commenting on Trump. Certain people here act like I've kicked their dog.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Again, it goes to what you define as "trans." As far as I'm concerned... "trans" is anyone who does not use he/him or she/her based on their sex at birth. I lump non-binary, they/them, race/car, etc... all into trans. I think for the sake of the argument, we can use that... since the point is that these are all mentally-ill people who believe they have some level of gender dysphoria. There have been at least four high-profile ones in the past few years.
Nobody is arguing that. There have been 2 "trans" school shooters, based on your definition of it, since 2019. This includes all non-binary, they/them...whatever. The other two folks mentioned in that article were involved in mass shootings that were not school shootings.
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: "Control of language" ends up being a way to shift the narrative... no matter how you look at it. Remember, we're talking about political narrative. The shootings are not random shootings in crime-ridden school districts with gangs. We're talking about the deranged kid, usually in a good school district, who brings a gun to school with the intent to kill as many people as they can. And yes... the majority of those lately have been "trans."
Alec McKinney's target school has a 3/5 on great schools. Aiden Hale targeted a private school. Given that...the scenario you described has been perpetrated literally 100% of the time by people identifying by their birth pronouns (ie, explicitly not trans people).
Here's the money quote from that article: "4 shooters out of over 300 mass shooters since 2009 are transgender or non binary. That's just 1.3 percent of all shooters," Anthony Zenkus, a lecturer in social work at Columbia University, wrote on Twitter. "You just proved our point: 99 percent of mass shooters in the United States are cis gendered."
Originally posted by NewDustin: Here's the money quote from that article: "4 shooters out of over 300 mass shooters since 2009 are transgender or non binary. That's just 1.3 percent of all shooters," Anthony Zenkus, a lecturer in social work at Columbia University, wrote on Twitter. "You just proved our point: 99 percent of mass shooters in the United States are cis gendered."
...it is making the opposite point you are.
The difference here is in what we're referring to as "mass shooters."
Mass shooters includes a drug lord who goes into a crack house and kills everyone. That's not really what we're talking about... I think I've been pretty clear about it. I'm talking about publicized shootings... the ones that make the news. School shootings, politically motivated hostage situations... things like that. I think I've been pretty clear about that as well.
The reality is... the media doesn't care when a dude living in a trailer shoots up an Elk Lodge in the middle of nowhere.
In a rambling, conspiratorial letter addressed to the FBI, alleged assassin Vance Boelter claimed he needed to kill U.S. Sen. Amy Klobuchar so that Gov. Tim Walz could run for the U.S. Senate, according to two people familiar with the contents of the letter.
[QUOTE]In a rambling, conspiratorial letter addressed to the FBI, alleged assassin Vance Boelter claimed he needed to kill U.S. Sen. Amy Klobuchar so that Gov. Tim Walz could run for the U.S. Senate, according to two people familiar with the contents of the letter.
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If, in fact true, the copied and pasted quote from the article you provided pretty much says it all for me.
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The letter is the clearest evidence yet of Boelter’s mindset after the targeted violence against Minnesota politicians last week. It is incoherent, one and a half pages long, confusing and hard to read, according to two people familiar with the letter’s contents. It includes Boelter alleging he had been trained by the U.S. military off the books, and that Walz, who is not running for Senate, had asked him to kill Klobuchar and others.
Regardless of political affiliation, this guys does not need to be out in the public.
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