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Israel and Hamas reach deal on Gaza ceasefire, hostage release by blackrams
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Well who would have thunk.....
An official with the Israel Defense Forces says it has carried out air strikes on Rafah after an attack by Hamas on its troops in Gaza
The official has called the incident a "bold violation of the ceasefire"
In response, Hamas says it is committed to the ceasefire and alleges that Israel "continues to breach the agreement"
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Originally posted by steve308:

Well who would have thunk.....
An official with the Israel Defense Forces says it has carried out air strikes on Rafah after an attack by Hamas on its troops in Gaza
The official has called the incident a "bold violation of the ceasefire"
In response, Hamas says it is committed to the ceasefire and alleges that Israel "continues to breach the agreement"


Imagine my surprise.

Hamas is also killing "militant" (by their definition) Gazans.
Where are the protesters who were complaining about "all the bloodshed in Gaza", two weeks ago?
But I guess you're allowed to kill "your own".

 
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Originally posted by Raydar:
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Next? I suppose that we shall see. I have my own opinions, but I will keep them to myself.


This is about what I figured, and why I withheld comment before. I didn't think that I would have to wait too long.
My opinion? IDF needs to just go scorched earth on Hamas, and anybody who looks like Hamas.

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My opinion? IDF needs to just go scorched earth on Hamas, and anybody who looks like Hamas.


This guy looks swarthy enough to qualify. Sure, take him out!

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In all seriousness though, I also have "no sympathy" for the Hamas animals that were responsible for the massacre of innocent people... but to then try and justify the genocide of all Palestinians in retribution is pure madness.
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This guy looks swarthy enough to qualify. Sure, take him out!

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In all seriousness though, I also have "no sympathy" for the Hamas animals that were responsible for the massacre of innocent people... but to then try and justify the genocide of all Palestinians in retribution is pure madness.


I thought you were the champion of standing up.
I saw videos of the innocent palestinians cheering as trucks went by with bodies, burning flags and celebrating death. I've seen the protests here in the states where they are given a voice and they still shout hate and destruction.
Where is the outrage of the palestinian people against the hamas animals? Hard to do if you look in the mirror and you can't tell the difference.
What about the children being brainwashed into believing that cutting the head off of someone is justified and will lead to the promise of heaven.

**** Hamas and **** Palestine for not standing up against them. It's time to call it what it is a militant regime disguised as a religious cult that has infected and ruined people's lives.
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I thought you were the champion of standing up.


So sorry for sitting while I post at this forum!

I have no way of knowing whether any Palestinians stand up to Hamas or not... and I sincerely doubt you actually know either.

Perhaps if conditions in Palestine weren't so gawd awful, it would be more of a challenge for militant organizations such as Hamas to gain a foothold.
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Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:

**** Hamas and **** Palestine for not standing up against them. It's time to call it what it is a militant regime disguised as a religious cult that has infected and ruined people's lives.


I've been thinking a bit more about what Jake has posted... and yes, I can understand his frustration/position... but geez, how different is this than what happened in WW2. Should every German and Japanese citizen have been exterminated at the conclusion of the Second World War because they didn't "stand up" to Adolf Hitler and Emperor Hirohito?
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I've been thinking a bit more about what Jake has posted... and yes, I can understand his frustration/position... but geez, how different is this than what happened in WW2. Should every German and Japanese citizen have been exterminated at the conclusion of the Second World War because they didn't "stand up" to Adolf Hitler and Emperor Hirohito?


If they were continuing to harbor the enemy and enabling them to continue the killing, what should happen to them?
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If they were continuing to harbor the enemy and enabling them to continue the killing, what should happen to them?


And who determines this? I certainly wouldn't trust the Israelis to make the call.

I suspect there are ways to determine culpability. It's not like this has never needed to have been done previously anywhere else on the planet.
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And who determines this? I certainly wouldn't trust the Israelis to make the call.



I think the sheer logic of the fact that people part of a gang called "Hamas" are going around and shooting innocent civilians point blank ... should make anyone be able to make that call with reasonable certainty.
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I think the sheer logic of the fact that people part of a gang called "Hamas" are going around and shooting innocent civilians point blank ... should make anyone be able to make that call with reasonable certainty.


Well... any reasonable person...
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Originally posted by Patrick:

And who determines this? I certainly wouldn't trust the Israelis to make the call.

I suspect there are ways to determine culpability. It's not like this has never needed to have been done previously anywhere else on the planet.


Let's start here.
It's a simple question. yes or no, if someone is harboring terrorists should they be dealt with the same way as the terrorist or not?
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Let's start here.
It's a simple question. yes or no, if someone is harboring terrorists should they be dealt with the same way as the terrorist or not?


well bebe is a killer of 60,000 out of whom maybe 10,000 were active fighters with 50,000 women kids and men NOT armed or involved or 5 to 1
is not the 50k killed plus 150k wounded an act of terror not to count the buildings leveled or the starving kids
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well bebe is a killer of 60,000 out of whom maybe 10,000 were active fighters with 50,000 women kids and men NOT armed or involved or 5 to 1
is not the 50k killed plus 150k wounded an act of terror not to count the buildings leveled or the starving kids


Right. I'm sure of it.
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Being completely honest here... 8 years ago... I was kind of indifferent to the Israel / Palestine struggle. I thought it was bad that Israel continued to encroach into the Golem Heights and build settlements. A lot of what I looked at was propaganda (which I later discovered) made by Iran / Hamas... showing Jewish people kick people out of their homes in the Golem Heights and just start living there (for example).

But the Democrats... man... the way they immediately jumped in support of Hamas after the October attack... it immediately made me realize that any sympathy I thought I had for the other side was misplaced. I think history will show that the Democrats in this country are some of the biggest fools I think the world will ever see.

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Let us not forget the fact that NONE of the other Arab / Muslim neighbors will take in a Gazan Palestine refugee.
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well bebe is a killer of 60,000 out of whom maybe 10,000 were active fighters with 50,000 women kids and men NOT armed or involved or 5 to 1
is not the 50k killed plus 150k wounded an act of terror not to count the buildings leveled or the starving kids


 
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Let's start here.
It's a simple question. yes or no, if someone is harboring terrorists should they be dealt with the same way as the terrorist or not?


It's a yes or no question.
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Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:

It's a simple question.


 
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Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:

It's a yes or no question.


It isn't. You stating it as such doesn't make it so.

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It isn't. You stating it as such doesn't make it so.


If you harbor a terrorist are you a terrorist
YES NO

Just circle one, don't make me get out the crayons.
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:

I think the sheer logic of the fact that people part of a gang called "Hamas" are going around and shooting innocent civilians point blank ... should make anyone be able to make that call with reasonable certainty.


There is no "sheer logic" in your response to my post, especially considering what I was originally responding to.

 
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My opinion? IDF needs to just go scorched earth on Hamas, and anybody who looks like Hamas.

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Originally posted by Raydar Here:

My opinion? IDF needs to just go scorched earth on Hamas, and anybody who looks like Hamas.



Thanks for reiterating what I posted.
I stand by it. Eff 'em.
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Fine, go get him!


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Fine, go get him!



Don't much care about him, one way or the other. (As an aside... I think he looks like Rick Moranis. )

But some people?
There's an old expression, credited - rightly or wrongly - mostly to the southern US... "Some people just need killin'."
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Originally posted by Patrick:

There is no "sheer logic" in your response to my post, especially considering what I was originally responding to.

My opinion? IDF needs to just go scorched earth on Hamas, and anybody who [i]looks like Hamas.[/i]




I get it... I understand what he said, but also what's being inferred. There's very real fatigue when it comes to things like this... and what we say is not 100% what we actually think, especially when we're frustrated. The context of course is that there's legitimately a lot of people within this region that hates Jews, hates Israel, and even if they aren't part of Hamas, would quickly support Hamas at any opportunity.

There was a poll that was taken a few years ago. I can't find it now, not even going to try, but I hope you'll take my word for it. It compared the perception of Jews to those in Palestine, and whether they wanted Jews killed. I then compared this with data I found from Germany's population during WW2. What came from it is that citizens in the region of Palestine were more than 2x more likely to want all Jews dead and killed, than non-Jewish citizens living in Germany during WW2.

That really stuck with me... it made me realize in fact that the region may not ever recover. It's for this reason that explains why not a single other Muslim country wants anything to do with the people of Palestine, including Iran itself (who's been funding all of this).

So, I don't like death... I'm also against the death penalty and abortion... but damn if there aren't a lot of people who would check the box that Raydar is referring to.
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