rump lied the election as not fixed the media does not like con's BS try a bit of facts and far less lying there is no great anti-CON - SPERICY MOST OF YOUR LEADERSHIP ARE scumbags rump esp
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Were you doing acid then ? Are you still doing it ?
where were you in 1962 ?
by then I had gone to segregated schools in miami and integrated school in detroit and traveled by car twice every year thru the heartland mostly on back roads
long before the drugs
you clearly do not understand the evil the history of the con's have and are the one who is deluded by BS
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govinator George WAS ONE OF THE VERY VERY FEW CON'S WHO DID NOT SWAP TO THE Gop
So, what you are saying is, the very face of segregation in the USA, the poster boy for racism in the '60's was a die-hard Democrat throughout his career.
So, what you are saying is, the very face of segregation in the USA, the poster boy for racism in the '60's was a die-hard Democrat throughout his career.
see you forgot already
repeat racists are con's racists were con's southern racist were con's
What did you just say? Are you defending Rayb in his BLATANTLY bigoted point of view? Or are you just doing the Rinselberg thing? Please explain.
First, the left wanted the forum segregated because all the arguing was an affront to their tender sensibilities. Now they spend all day trolling in the adult section. Go figure.
First, the left wanted the forum segregated because all the arguing was an affront to their tender sensibilities. Now they spend all day trolling in the adult section. Go figure.
Because... Leftists gotta Leftist
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I think the idea is to be so absurdly obnoxious that the adults just find somewhere else to hang out.
The place is starting to look like Portland or San Fransisco.
Can anyone remember the last time there was a rational, fact based discussion?
Long ago I arrived at the inescapable conclusion that it is impossible to have a "fact based discussion" with Leftists.
In order to have a fact based discussion with anyone you must first mutually agree to discuss ....facts.
Leftists are incapable in that arena because, as I've pointed out so many times prior, emotions and opinions are indiscernible from objective data and fact to them.
Fable, myth and propaganda also join the odd amalgam that substitutes as "fact" in the Leftist's mind, (e.g. rayb's bizarre "racism" posts on this page).
Then there is the rational aspect of a "rational, fact based discussion".
Once again, Leftists are severely debilitated in that regard.
Leftists routinely will hold two or more completely contradictory and irreconcilable ideas or positions in their head simultaneously and are completely unaware of it.
When made aware they are completely unfazed by it and will stubbornly continue to cling to their conflicted "reasoning".
That is not rational behavior.
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Originally posted by Rickady88GT: What did you just say? Are you defending ["ray b"] in his BLATANTLY bigoted point of view? Or are you just doing the Rinselberg thing? Please explain.
Mostly just meandering through a monotonous moment online with a modicum of mirth.
In other words, the "Rnselberg thing."
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Originally posted by Rickady88GT: What did you just say? Are you defending ["ray b"] in his BLATANTLY bigoted point of view? Or are you just doing the Rinselberg thing? Please explain.
Not to disavow, nullify, retract or "walk back" what I just said (message right before this one), but to add something:
The largest negative that I can imagine anyone fairly putting against "ray b" is that Ray is the flip side of a coin, and on the other side of that same coin, there is another forum member that is like Ray's mirror image, the only difference being that "Left" and "Right" are interchanged.
Ray speaks (so to speak) in an idiosyncratic style of English, in which sentence fragments are uncommonly common. I find it intelligible, for the most part.
On the flip side of the same coin, the other forum member, who speaks in a more conventional (but hyperbolic, and incredibly monotonous) style. That's an entirely superficial and wholly inconsequential distinction. A "distinction without a difference." And this other forum member? Think of him as "b yar". Or "ray b" backwards.
That's the most severe sanction that I can imagine anyone fairly levying upon "ray b".
I wouldn't go even that far, myself, in terms of sanctioning (neg'ing, dissing... "what have you") of "ray b".
But this defines an Upper Bound for the range of rational "anti-ray b" discourse.
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Originally posted by cliffw: Were you doing acid then ? Are you still doing it ?
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Originally posted by ray b: I guess when you know what I post is true all one can do is try to discredit with vague BS
or attack like cliff did
Wow ! No one believes what you post is true. Let me not be vague. We are not liars.
Attack like I did ?
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Originally posted by ray b: where were you in 1962 ?
by then I had gone to segregated schools in miami and integrated school in detroit and traveled by car twice every year thru the heartland mostly on back roads
long before the drugsACID
you clearly do not understand the evil the history of the con's have and are the one who is deluded by BS
Originally posted by randye: Long ago I arrived at the inescapable conclusion that it is impossible to have a "fact based discussion" with Leftists.
In order to have a fact based discussion with anyone you must mutually agree to discuss ....facts.
Leftists are incapable in that arena because, as I've pointed out so many times prior, emotions and opinions are Indiscernible from objective data and fact to them.
Fable, myth and propaganda also join the odd amalgam that substitutes as "fact" in the Leftist's mind, (e.g. rayb's bizarre "racism" posts on this page).
Then there is the rational aspect of a "rational, fact based discussion".
Once again, Leftists are severely debilitated in that regard.
Leftists routinely will hold two or more completely contradictory and irreconcilable ideas or positions in their head simultaneously and are completely unaware of it.
When made aware they are completely unfazed by it and will stubbornly continue to cling to their conflicted "reasoning".
That is not rational behavior.
our rightwing has a very limited CONcept of facts they think they get to make up facts like the rump did or twist them they distrust facts
btw hate and fear are not facts they are feelings for some reason randye can't have two facts in his head at the same time I guess there is very limited room in there
Originally posted by ray b: our rightwing has a very limited CONcept of facts they think they get to make up facts like the rump did or twist them they distrust facts
btw hate and fear are not facts they are feelings for some reason randye can't have two facts in his head at the same time I guess there is very limited room in there
That is a very astute observation.
It reminds me of a story that's still told to this very day, among the Miccosukee tribe, of a warrior known as "One Fact".
The largest negative that I can imagine anyone fairly putting against "ray b" is that Ray is the flip side of a coin, and on the other side of that same coin, there is another forum member that is like Ray's mirror image, the only difference being that "Left" and "Right" are interchanged.
Rinselberg, this is an inaccurate statement, analogy. If Rayb were the "flip side" of a coin he would at least tell some truth about "the other side". Rayb displays no intention to be honest, he spouts lies and stereotypes on groups of people. Randye does not do that Randye tells the truth about the "other side". Randye mentions attributes that define liberals and progressives. If you were to write a definition of "leftist", what would the characteristics be that differentiate them from the "right". Be honest Ronald, there are differences in beliefs between the two groups. Randye is debating the reasoning or the lack there of in these differences that actually exist. Rayb on the other hand, NOT flip side of a coin, uses lies that he attributes to those that he hates. He lies about racism for example, Rayb says that one of the defining differences between left and right is that the right is racist. This is simple to debate and disprove using simple common sense and facts, racism is a human nature that afflicts ALL mankind from EVERY Country and EVERY State and EVERY political and social group. There are racists on both left and right. Racism is not in the definition of left or right, progressive or conservative. It is simply an emotional outburst of hate towards groups of people. Rayb says Trump is racist, which is a lie. Rayb has never pointed out anything that proves that Trump is racist. His evidence of racism is Rayb's hate of Trump, that is all it takes for Rayb to call people racist. Rayb says conservatives are racist, which is also a lie. Again Rayb has never provided evidence that all conservatives are racist. Rayb just simply hates Trump and conservatives so he calls them racist, because that is all it takes in his mind. Rayb says all conservatives are Trump supporters, this is another lie from Rayb. Ronald, Rayb and Randye are not two sides of a coin, they are people. They disagree with each other, the difference is Randye tells the truth using philosophical differences that are universally factual and undisputed. Rayb tells lies and spouts inaccurate stereotypes about people and groups that he hates.
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Ray speaks (so to speak) in an idiosyncratic style of English, in which sentence fragments are uncommonly common. I find it intelligible, for the most part.
I am not going to get side tracked on small stuff like this. This just seems like a distraction.
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On the flip side of the same coin, the other forum member, who speaks in a more conventional (but hyperbolic, and incredibly monotonous) style. That's an entirely superficial and wholly inconsequential distinction. A "distinction without a difference." And this other forum member? Think of him as "b yar". Or "ray b" backwards.
Stick to the facts, don't try the smoke and mirrors
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That's the most severe sanction that I can imagine anyone fairly levying upon "ray b".
The most severe sanction is truth. Debate from there and life will be easier for everyone. Arguing over emoticons is pointless and counter productive. It creates a lot of heat without producing light.
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I wouldn't go even that far, myself, in terms of sanctioning (neg'ing, dissing... "what have you") of "ray b".
Use the ratings system if you feel that it applies. But don't call people racist simply because you disagree with them on issues that aren't even related to race.
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But this defines an Upper Bound for the range of rational "anti-ray b" discourse.
So, again you are defending an offensive person here on PFF who brings to threads hate, insults and arguments. All the while you claim those are the wrong thing to do? Strange how that works. Just the facts, keep the emotions out of it. It is not the facts that divide people as much as emotions.
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it is simply the racist were the rightwing con's in 62 no matter the party as were the war mongers as were the gay bashers as were the anti-ERA faction
liberals supported civil rights and a bit later most of the same people were the anti-war people and the gay rights people and the woman's rights that the rightwing called commies and unamerican while they set the cops on to beat them
well who was on what side then as now matters you want to hand wave away the history of how we got here call it lies and say no not me that is all BS
the rightwing was racist and fought every civil rights battle on the wrong side same then as now
Again with Trump? Ok, sense you can't stop mentioning him, where is the evidence of him being racist? No evidence of your claims equates to you being the liar,...NOT Trump.
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your boy randye is a trump backer and has a very odd relation to facts
Randye isn't my boy, he is a friend. A friend that in the context of this thread is correct.
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fact #1 trump lost the election
Trump lost because of fraud. Not just election fraud and mules but also because of social media censorship and mainstream media propaganda. It all adds up to fraud and is all undisputed fact. Trump again be the President of the United States of America BECAUSE of the fraud that installed Brandon. The backlash will get Trump elected again, just like hillary backlash got him elected the first time.
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fact#2 the 1-6 revolt was treason
Prove it. Prove that Jan6 was an act of treason? You can't, and neither can the justice system. The protesters are not charged and convicted of treason. They trespassed
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spin on as you wish too
Just the facts, that's all I have said
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btw joe is not a commie
LOL, ok. Not sure where that came from but you don't surprise me.
I haven't missed anything, you clearly said Trump is a racist and haven't provided any evidence. You also clearly said conservatives are racist. What you missed is the point that truth is more powerful than lies. Try it.
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it is simply the racist were the rightwing con's in 62 no matter the party as were the war mongers as were the gay bashers as were the anti-ERA faction
Broad stroke stereotypes and misinformation,... otherwise know as lies. No political party claims to be any of those and you know it. It is one thing to be ignorant and say dumb things that you regret later, it is TOTALLY different to say those same things knowing full well that they are lies and stereotypical slander.
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liberals supported civil rights and a bit later most of the same people were the anti-war people and the gay rights people and the woman's rights that the rightwing called commies and unamerican while they set the cops on to beat them
Tell me Rayb, what year is it? Because you point back to a time before I was even born, then attribute those philosophies and behaviors on me and everyone else alive today. BUT, you clearly said that conservatives do this, that and the other, CURRENTLY, not just in the past. And that is in principle alone because getting into addressing your accusations is pointless.
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well who was on what side then as now matters you want to hand wave away the history of how we got here call it lies and say no not me that is all BS
You just simply are not a credible history teacher. Enough said on that issue.
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the rightwing was racist and fought every civil rights battle on the wrong side same then as now
Again, you aren't a credible teacher, slavery was a democrat thing. The Republicans freed them.
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the rightwing is the dark side
The only thing dark in your statement is your hate of the right-wing. Debate the facts, not emotions, that will bring you out of the dark where your hate, bigotry, ignorance and anger blinds and binds you.
Originally posted by Rickady88GT: Rinselberg, this is an inaccurate statement, analogy. If Rayb were the "flip side" of a coin . . .
So, picking up from my previous remarks (Post #63), Post #61 in this thread, from forum member randye, totally obliterates what Rick is trying to establish, which is a difference between randye and ray b that favors randye. A difference that puts randye above ray b in terms of "truthiness"and (positive) value. As in value added to (or subtracted from) the forum. Even a difference that puts randye above ray b in terms of their conduct on the forum—their "forum decorum", as it were. There is no difference of that kind that would favor randye over ray b.
Post #61 (from randye) is perhaps not uniquely the worst of its kind, but it's tied with many other such messages (from randye) for the worst of its kind.
Rick's assertions, read by rinselberg. And Rick's assertions, rejected by rinselberg.
It's not looking like there could ever be any agreement on this particular agenda item, between Rick and rinselberg, but I look forward to whatever may come next.
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