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Engine Swap Questions by willyt
Started on: 07-20-2022 07:21 PM
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Report this Post07-20-2022 07:21 PM Click Here to See the Profile for willytSend a Private Message to willytEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I know this is talked about a lot, but I wasn’t able to find a post with all of the details I need.

I’m looking for the cheapest, easiest, reliable way to make 250hp with a manual transmission.

I would be doing all of the labor myself.

Thank you!
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Originally posted by willyt:

I’m looking for the cheapest, easiest, reliable way...


You're going to have to settle for two of the three.

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You could start with a 3800 SC with close to that as stock HP. I think they're about 240 hp stock. That would be the easiest way to get to 250 HP. As Patrick said, the other two options may not fit your needs. There is a lot of support for that power train. It's definitely a reliable engine.
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The 3900 lz9 is another good option. 240 ish stock as well. With cheap mods 250 can easily be made. Just not a lot of support with those swaps but you are starting to see more and more.
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Report this Post07-21-2022 10:28 AM Click Here to See the Profile for willytSend a Private Message to willytEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by fierofool:

You could start with a 3800 SC with close to that as stock HP. I think they're about 240 hp stock. That would be the easiest way to get to 250 HP. As Patrick said, the other two options may not fit your needs. There is a lot of support for that power train. It's definitely a reliable engine.


It sounds like the ECM needs to be reprogrammed if going with a manual transmission. Are there still people around here that do that?
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It sounds like the ECM needs to be reprogrammed if going with a manual transmission. Are there still people around here that do that?


If you are tec savy you should look into Microsquirt. It’s a stand alone ecm. Not to expensive but it takes some work. I have it in mine and I know quite a few others who have it as well.
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It sounds like the ECM needs to be reprogrammed if going with a manual transmission. Are there still people around here that do that?


Sinister Performance aka GM Tuners does that. The pinout conversion tables are also available on his website. http://www.gmtuners.com/

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2nd for micro or megasquirt
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It sounds like the ECM needs to be reprogrammed if going with a manual transmission. Are there still people around here that do that?


Ryan Gick at Sinister Performance is the man to have reprogram your GM PCM or ECU.
I have used his services for years on more projects than I can count.

Aftermarket management systems are ok if you have a good understanding of engine tuning, but DIY tunes can also destroy an engine or suffer driveability issues.
Experience is key to a successful tune.
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Aftermarket management systems are ok if you have a good understanding of engine tuning, but DIY tunes can also destroy an engine or suffer driveability issues.
Experience is key to a successful tune.


I think it's a big of a chicken-or-egg thing.

At some point, if you want to gain experience, you need to take some risks.

I messed around with tuning the stock engine on my Fiero (that I didn't mind blowing up) to get some practice before tuning a rebuilt/modified engine.
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Originally posted by willyt:

I know this is talked about a lot, but I wasn’t able to find a post with all of the details I need.

I’m looking for the cheapest, easiest, reliable way to make 250hp with a manual transmission.

I would be doing all of the labor myself.

Thank you!


this will do the trick with just a tune from Ryan at Sinister Perf. https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum4/HTML/078635.html

Let me know.

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Report this Post07-30-2022 05:17 PM Click Here to See the Profile for XenoblastSend a Private Message to XenoblastEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
You could look into doing an LQ1 swap, with an exhaust, intake, and timing adjustment I think it would probably make 230-250 hp (215 stock), it bolts right up to the stock mounts (as long as you have a v6 in the car stock), but you would have to fabricate a new dogbone. The stock getrag 282 transmission bolts right up to it. You would have to take an earlier year automatic ECU and do some modifications to it for it to work with manual.

A write up on the swap:
http://www.gmtuners.com/Cus....4DOHCFiero/swap.htm

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