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Now I've Seen Everything. Prepare To Be Amazed. by IMSA GT
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This is 100% legal.....right?



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Now that is funny. I feel terrible that I wasted my money to build just a normal Fiero. Like one without a propeller.
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I don't know about legality of a propeller based automobile but I'd hate to have a close encounter with that propeller. I have no idea why someone would do such a crazy build. A couple of electric Fieros have surfaced but this thing takes the cake!
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Wat.

Not "want".

Wat.

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Well that just blows!
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Originally posted by IMSA GT:

This is 100% legal.....right?




Nothing like installing a larger motor and raising the center of gravity by four feet. Must corner really well.
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It is because of people like this we have to live with he Hey watch this reputations with our cars lol!

I am ashamed to say that may be an Ohio plate.

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My question is "How do you back up?"
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Originally posted by hyperv6:

I am ashamed to say that may be an Ohio plate.



That's the O'Reilly's (and Pizza Ranch) in Fairfield, Iowa, on US 34.

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LOL!

Don may get his "flyin' Fiero" yet!

Gotta admire the ingenuity....and determination! (Well....maybe "admire" is the wrong word...respect?...acknowledge?....take note of...howzat? )

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What did he do to the front hood?
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Report this Post07-18-2019 10:43 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Tony KaniaSend a Private Message to Tony KaniaEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
The first air driven car that I have seen, and it is a Fiero! It is just that it has been done, not the audacity of it all. Nothing about it is really cool, but the whole of it is a hoot.

"I have a wrecked air boat and an 84 Fiero sitting behind the garage..."
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I hear Beach Boys music...
If I had a set of wings man I know she could fly, she's my little DUKE coupe....

Seriously though, how can something like that be licensed for the road?
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Originally posted by css9450:
That's the O'Reilly's (and Pizza Ranch) in Fairfield, Iowa, on US 34.


Google maps shows Glen Ellyn is 270 miles from that O'Reillys. How did you know?
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Originally posted by David Hambleton:

Google maps shows Glen Ellyn is 270 miles from that O'Reillys. How did you know?


LOL I am the Human Road Map. Its one of my few useful skills.

Actually, I recognized the Iowa license plate (not Ohio). I saw the "1201" on the O'Reilly's door so I Googled "O'Reilly 1201 Iowa" and it gave me two choices: stores in Fairfield and Glenwood Iowa. Fairfield was the only one with a Pizza Ranch next door...

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Good Sleuthing! Just a case of curiosity then...
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You know, some people just really like their air boats. Why not be able to enjoy on both water and land. Besides, think how easy it is to work on that engine
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Id like to see the 0-60
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Originally posted by fierofool:

My question is "How do you back up?"


Even if the prop rotation could be reversed, I'd be worried with that ridiculous weight distribution that the car would simply tip back instead of roll back!
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Originally posted by Patrick:

Nothing like installing a larger motor and raising the center of gravity by four feet. Must corner really well.


Why would he put the engine way up there? Why not A) Use a flat 6 airplane engine (Aircooled) and why not B) Have a belt drive with the engine down low?

I can't believe that is actually (Certified) legal for the street.......
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Why would he put the engine way up there?.


Oil and filter changes are a breeze.

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Originally posted by David Hambleton:

Seriously though, how can something like that be licensed for the road?


I don't see much (any?) bracing to stop forward movement of that heavy cast iron SBC engine which is sitting five feet off the ground. Heaven help the occupants if this car ever ran into something solid while at speed.

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As far as the legality of it all goes, I am betting one hard earned dollar that he never told of his minor modifications to the drive train.
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He could modify the mounts so it could also be used as a helicopter.
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Originally posted by Patrick:

Even if the prop rotation could be reversed, I'd be worried with that ridiculous weight distribution that the car would simply tip back instead of roll back!


Makes me wonder how that thing handles. The front end must be REALLY light on its feet! Imagine driving in the rain or on ice....

I also wonder if that propeller can really generate enough push to move the car. Maybe there's a Duke still there in the car and the propeller is just for looks? All of which really makes it even stranger.

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Originally posted by fierofool:

My question is "How do you back up?"


>>> Very Carefully!!! <<<

During a head-on accident, the engine will land on the center console- both driver and any passenger must remember to lean towards the doors so the engine doesn't......Get 'em.......

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Why would he put the engine way up there?


Maybe it still also has the factory engine driveline in it , though I doubt it.

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The rear shot shows what appears to be an empty cradle.
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I wonder if, through the vastness of the internet, if we can invite this guy and his car to the Heartland show and/or Fierorama?
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Any way that you look at it, the guy that built this contraption has very unusual taste. If that propeller ever comes loose the driver or an innocent bystander could be decapitated. This modification in the case of an accident may invalidate his auto insurance. I would check with them.

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What are the odds of this being the same guy?



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Originally posted by Patrick:

I don't see much (any?) bracing to stop forward movement of that heavy cast iron SBC engine which is sitting five feet off the ground. Heaven help the occupants if this car ever ran into something solid while at speed.



it has the bracing necessary to withstand a substantial impact as is the airboat engine stand
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Has the owner arrived? If so, welcome.
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Has the owner arrived? If so, welcome.


yes and thank you
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it has the bracing necessary to withstand a substantial impact as is the airboat engine stand


Welcome to PFF!

I'll give you full marks for thinking outside of the box... but I suspect many/most of us here are wondering how the heck you were able to get that unique creation registered, licensed and insured for use on public roads?!! How much liability insurance are you required to carry?
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yes and thank you


Glad you are here. As mentioned above by Patrick, how did you get that registered? I know that if I tried that here in California, I'd probably get arrested

Also just FYI, this thread was not meant to poke fun at your car. I was truly amazed by this. I've seen trikes and other creations but NEVER a swamp boat motor and prop.

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I like to send car people the video asking simply if that's a Chevy II or a Nova in this video?
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Originally posted by leftfield:

yes and thank you


Its three weeks to the Heartand Fieros show in East Davenport if you can get that on your schedule. The more the merrier!

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Originally posted by IMSA GT:


Glad you are here. As mentioned above by Patrick, how did you get that registered? I know that if I tried that here in California, I'd probably get arrested

Also just FYI, this thread was not meant to poke fun at your car. I was truly amazed by this. I've seen trikes and other creations but NEVER a swamp boat motor and prop.



The motor is a 375 hp 400 sbc I took my fiero to the local police chief and the county Sheriff and is this ILLEAGAL and if so what law is being broken. He replied is it licensed I said yes He said is it insured I said yes well its caged well I don't see a problem As you can see I'm not the kind to go to rock auto and buy off the shelf I tried to mount the moto
r 26.5" lower but it would put to much load on the rear main bearing there is not a problem I have encounter that was not overcome. I am 69 and have Parkinson and use my mind to keep active. Have a good day live life to the fullest
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