| | | quote | Originally posted by olejoedad:
My opinion must have struck some nerves, I see a movement on my arrow to the red, with no change in total ratings.
No personal attacks or anything......just voicing my opinion.
I probably won't sleep for days.......
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Mine too, though I did pick up one rating. It could be because I am a heartless SOB. I will sleep good because I don't care,
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I also did not nudge your red bar.
| | | quote | Originally posted by olejoedad:
At some point we need to have a bit of confidence in those people in government who are dedicated to the task of oversight. |
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, heh, too funny. I remember when this first came to light. The President said, "if you can't trust your President, if you can't trust your Congressmen, if you can not trust your judges, we have a problem". All I could think was "yes we do".
We can't trust of gooberment to fiscally manage our money, to put the people over the party, not even the next election, much less to tell us the truth. Everybody knows that there are friendly judges. We can't even trust the data we are getting about the unclassified ObamaCare enrollment figures. Laws are passed to get away with things. When the lawmakers make laws, the fox guards the hen house. Some may trust, many want to believe, but the trust ship set sail a long time ago. Our trust has been abused for far too long.
The founding fathers did not trust a centralized government. The American citizen afforded a measure of trust to the government because of protections the founding fathers put in place. Such as unreasonable searches and only with specific suspicion. These searches were court monitored. Of which could be challenged. Now we are being asked to trust secret courts whose decisions remain secret long after the fact. You suggest we should trust an organization who put untrustworthy Snowden in a position of trust ?
The thing is, once a mechanism like this is put into place, it will be abused. Nobama has said that there is not one instance where it could be shown to have been abused, and he has been parroted by others supporting this debacle. How soon we forget. Some NSA operatives have already admitted that they used their super snooping powers to track their significant others actions. How long will it be until some rouge agents in a Cincinnati office targets the political campaigns of their opposition ? We have already targeted the top leaders of our allies.
| | | quote | Originally posted by olejoedad:
... laws were broken, secrets were leaked without authorization, and people's lives put in danger by one man's actions.
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Laws were broken in the IRS scandal. Donor information was illegally released to opponents. Where is the prosecution in those cases ?
| | | quote | Originally posted by olejoedad:
The media generally does a good job of blowing everything out of proportion, and a poor job of performing their duty to hold the government to task. |
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They can not even get answers without pulling hen's teeth. All the more reason for our "trust radar" to be on high alert. Even our people selected representative's oversight commitees can not get honest answers.
| | | quote | Originally posted by olejoedad:
Perhaps I should have said 'it would stretch the imagination to think that someone has not been put in danger'.......
Do you have information that shows that no one has been put in danger? |
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Do you have any information that shows any lives have been saved from this program ? It didn't stop the Boston bombers even though Russia warned us twice about them. It didn't stop the attempt at Times Square.
[This message has been edited by cliffw (edited 02-21-2014).]
