"Psst--hey buddy, yeah--you. c'mere--wanna score some incandesents? I got the real thing, GE and Sylvannias--not those cheap back room knockoffs. Ya don't like those curlycue things--do Ya?? I knew it the minute i laid eyes on ya. Here--try one of these--it'll brighten up your life, I'll make ya a good deal, on the lowdown--tell your friends. No, no phones--no address-- I'll be around.'

http://www.foxnews.com/tech...t-light-bulbs-jan-1/

As I posted earlier. All they have to do really is relabel them as "heat lamps" and continue selling.

Brad

......... Tree huggers 1... people who acutely have a functioning brain 0 .... looks like I'm goin to home depot tomorrow. Thanks you liberal scum suckers for writing Thomas Edison Completely out of the picture...

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Go to LED... warm light is the type you want if you don't want harsh light. General life is 50k hours.... which will make it cost effective to buy it at a higher cost.

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personally, i like the cfls.
in 2000 i installed 2 of them in my house, and it immediately yielded a noticeable drop in my electric bill. and since 2000 i've replaced every bulb in my house with cfls and in that time, exactly 2 have died on me. yes, they're more expensive, but they've paid for themselves many times over in power and replacement cost savings. so what's not to like? nasty chemicals? regular flourescent tubes have them too, and should be recycled. in theory, retailers that sell them will recycle them. if they just toss them in the trash, that's a shame, but i've done my part.

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quote Originally posted by pontiackid86: ... writing Thomas Edison Completely out of the picture...

Should have done that long ago. Edison sucks. Telsa forever.

The only CFLs I have had good luck with are a couple that stay on 24-7-365. Every other one I installed has had a significantly shorter life span than advertised.
Most of the lighting inside my house is from ceiling fan lights with candelabra bases, and those, even the "good" ones, are hard to find locally in CFL and really fare worse than the standard base CFL bulbs. My needs in the little base CFLs totals 18 bulbs.

The exteriors are either LED clusters or 500W tube type halogens.
I like the LEDs but the fixtures are pricey for the amount of illumination I need and any kind of reliability. About $125 each fixture (includes the LED "bulbs")
Downside is they act up in cold weather (below 25 deg F). Sometimes won't come on at all---sometimes takes a minute, then they suddenly come on.

Not a fan of the CFs. As noted above, my experience is that they last a lot less than they say they should.

quote Originally posted by maryjane: The only CFLs I have had good luck with are a couple that stay on 24-7-365. Every other one I installed has had a significantly shorter life span than advertised. Most of the lighting inside my house is from ceiling fan lights with candelabra bases, and those, even the "good" ones, are hard to find locally in CFL and really fare worse than the standard base CFL bulbs. My needs in the little base CFLs totals 18 bulbs. The exteriors are either LED clusters or 500W tube type halogens. I like the LEDs but the fixtures are pricey for the amount of illumination I need and any kind of reliability. About $125 each fixture (includes the LED "bulbs") Downside is they act up in cold weather (below 25 deg F). Sometimes won't come on at all---sometimes takes a minute, then they suddenly come on.

Most of my CFLs have either lasted forever, or hardly at all. Never seem to get 'average' ones. Slowly going to LED, not so much to be 'green' but should last longer and they don't get as warm.. and not as fragile if a cat or dog knocks the lamp over. CFLs seems to break for me if you look at them sideways, mostly at the base where its all put together, not the actual tube.

I have a couple of CFLs out side and it has the same problem with the cold. I hear they have some with pre-heaters or something. ( one i leave on 24/7 but even it seems dimmer when its really cold )

I went to CFLs many years ago, but am now shifting to LED. I have bought several LED bulbs in different configurations. Some good and some not so good. I am also experimenting with high powered LEDs that you have to mount on a heat sink. The ones I have right now are 10 watt and 40 watt. I have the heat sinks and if I power them up to full power that they are rated at they still get very hot. So for the 40 watt ones I am adjusting power level by adding in resistors in series to the lights bringing power down to about 27 watts each for two of them and then the temperature is reasonable. I am going to make a mounting plate for this set and install it in one of my ceiling fan lights. This ceiling fan already has two 9 watt LEDs under it that are pretty good, but it is my office room and I need more light in there.

I also have seen some LED panels that you can buy with power supply from China. They are square flat panels built to sort of clip into a box or a cutout in the ceiling. I am thinking of getting some of them to try out too.

Here is a link to some of them: http://www.everbuying.com/product527541.html

and here is another: http://www.everbuying.com/product185477.html

quote Originally posted by User00013170: Should have done that long ago. Edison sucks. Telsa forever.

Edison was a thief.

quote Originally posted by Gokart Mozart: Edison was a thief.

The only credit i will give Edison is that he was a successful businessman and did manage his hired talent well. ( which is a needed task.. ). But that did include fraud, lying and theft. As a inventor/scientist, he shouldn't get 90% of the credit he does. Sure, a little bit, but not like some 'inventor god' that people seem to make him out to be.

Tesla deserves that status however.

History has been far too kind for Edison, and far too harsh on Tesla.

quote Originally posted by User00013170: The only credit i will give Edison is that he was a successful businessman and did manage his hired talent well. ( which is a needed task.. ). But that did include fraud, lying and theft. As a inventor/scientist, he shouldn't get 90% of the credit he does. Sure, a little bit, but not like some 'inventor god' that people seem to make him out to be. Tesla deserves that status however. History has been far too kind for Edison, and far too harsh on Tesla.

Ditto.. I'd love to have Tesla today with access to modern tech. Think his thinking was too far advanced for the tech of his time.

quote Originally posted by User00013170: Most of my CFLs have either lasted forever, or hardly at all. Never seem to get 'average' ones. Slowly going to LED, not so much to be 'green' but should last longer and they don't get as warm.. and not as fragile if a cat or dog knocks the lamp over. CFLs seems to break for me if you look at them sideways, mostly at the base where its all put together, not the actual tube. I have a couple of CFLs out side and it has the same problem with the cold. I hear they have some with pre-heaters or something. ( one i leave on 24/7 but even it seems dimmer when its really cold )

I have noticed some CFL packs state they now have a coating of some kind on the base, to make them easier to unscrew. I haven't had one break yet, but eveidently it has been a troublesome aspect for them.
I never had that trouble with incans.

quote Originally posted by lurker: personally, i like the cfls. in 2000 i installed 2 of them in my house, and it immediately yielded a noticeable drop in my electric bill. and since 2000 i've replaced every bulb in my house with cfls and in that time,

Are you serious? What did you have only three bulbs total in your entire house? I find it very hard to believe that changing out 2 bulbs to CFL would make any difference that anybody is going to notice on their electric bill considering how little the lights will draw compared to everything else in the house. Maybe the KW rates shifted from summer to winter when you made the exchange.

Kevin

After asking for opinions here a while back, I switched to halogen bulbs. I use dimmers and even though they make "dimmable" CFL and LED bulbs, I don't like the way they work.

quote Originally posted by Lambo nut: Are you serious? What did you have only three bulbs total in your entire house? I find it very hard to believe that changing out 2 bulbs to CFL would make any difference that anybody is going to notice on their electric bill considering how little the lights will draw compared to everything else in the house. Maybe the KW rates shifted from summer to winter when you made the exchange. Kevin

yes, i'm serious. we have (and had) probably 20 lamps in the house. i started the changeover mid-summer, and was surprised that i could see a difference, but yes, i'm serious. maybe part of it was that the AC wasn't running as much, due to less "waste" heat.

quote Originally posted by lurker: personally, i like the cfls. in 2000 i installed 2 of them in my house, and it immediately yielded a noticeable drop in my electric bill. and since 2000 i've replaced every bulb in my house with cfls and in that time, exactly 2 have died on me. yes, they're more expensive, but they've paid for themselves many times over in power and replacement cost savings. so what's not to like? nasty chemicals? regular flourescent tubes have them too, and should be recycled. in theory, retailers that sell them will recycle them. if they just toss them in the trash, that's a shame, but i've done my part.

I'm going to call shennanigans on this. I think you're exaggerating emensely. Swapping out TWO lightbulbs with CFLs would under no circumstances, show any kind of noticeable drop in your electric bill unless you lived in a 200 square foot house that only had two light bulbs as your only electrical draw.

I swapped out ALL of the light-bulbs in my house with CFLs except a single desk lamp. In some cases that meant replacing 10+ recessed lighting 90watt floots with 15 and 11 watt CFL floods. After doing all of that, I did see a 20% drop in my electric bill. But swapping out two CFLs will most certainly not make a difference in your electric bill.


For what it's worth, CFLs are horrible for the environment. The amount of energy saved pales in comparison to the amount of long-term ecological and environmental damage the CFL bulbs will cost.

I'm not even talking about the mercury element... I'm talking about all the rare-earth metals, the unrecyclable plastics... everything from the huge plastic ecasement, to the also un-recyclable blister packs that they are sold in. They also include chips and circuit-boards which also don't get recycled, as well as other components. You compare that to a regular incandescant bulb in which the ENTIRE contents can be squished down to something that's the size of a penny, including the recycled card-board sleeve it comes in.

The fact that the Government, and shitty liberal journalists are still talking about CFLs just shows how absurdly backwards liberal and progressive ideology is.

LEDs are far more advanced, last a significantly longer amount of time, and... use HALF the amount of wattage of an equivelant CFL.


I got suckered into the whole CFL thing, I did it early enough that I was able to actually see significant benefit. But for anyone to buy CFLs now, instead of LEDs... is simply a bad decision.

CFL's may cause cancer.

Well, there's that, plus the hazardous waste from mercury in the bad bulbs. SOP for a government "solution." Fix 1 problem by causing 2 more.
Maybe LED will be better?

quote Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: I'm going to call shenanigans on this. I think you're exaggerating immensely. Swapping out TWO lightbulbs with CFLs would under no circumstances, show any kind of noticeable drop in your electric bill unless you lived in a 200 square foot house that only had two light bulbs as your only electrical draw.

call it what you like. no, i'm not exaggerating, i'm recounting my actual personal experience. the house was about 2800 square feet.
i don't have an opinion about leds.

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quote Originally posted by lurker: call it what you like. no, i'm not exaggerating, i'm merely recounting my actual personal experience. the house was about 2800 square feet.

Not intentionally exaggerating perhaps, but what do you think about the following calculation?

Two 23 watt CFLs replacing two 100 watt incandescent: 200 watts - 46 watts = 154 watts saved.
If the bulbs were on 8 hours per day, the savings would be 154 watts X 8 hours = 1.232 kilowatt hours.
If your cost per kilowatt hour is $0.15 (my current 'all-in' rate), savings are 1.232 X $0.15 = $0.18 per day.
For a month, that would be $0.18 X 30 = $5.40
For me, that would be a 4% savings off my last 12 months average bill of $131.

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? it's a light bulb. yes, i notice $5. i'm cheap.
really, i had no idea that me saving roughly $5 a month was so important to anyone but me. thank you all for caring so much.

quote Originally posted by lurker: ? it's a light bulb. yes, i notice $5. i'm cheap. really, i had no idea that me saving roughly $5 a month was so important to anyone but me. thank you all for caring so much.

Every dollar counts these days.

... and the government said "let there be approved light", .

quote Originally posted by cliffw: ... and the government said "let there be approved light", .

With the approved message embedded in it.

quote Originally posted by lurker: ? it's a light bulb. yes, i notice $5. i'm cheap. really, i had no idea that me saving roughly $5 a month was so important to anyone but me. thank you all for caring so much.

It may not be a huge amount, but everything adds up. I put 36 CFL 23 watt bulbs in my barn for that reason as well as the installation is cheap - (those $2 white bulb bases screw to the octagonal box) & they work in freezing weather. Big savings over fluorescent tubes, particularly the expensive cold weather fixtures & bulbs.

quote Originally posted by lurker: ... i notice $5.

Did you notice the weather was exactly the same every day, you also went to bed at the exact same time (so used no more/less lights per hour), cooked exactly the same amount ?
Five dollars is a rounding error.

Think I'll skip the CFL's and go straight to LED's. Not crazy about the $$$, but I know when I've been steamrolled, and will get out of the way.

quote Originally posted by cliffw: I will concede that every heat producing item is a bigger user of electricity, and incandescents do produce heat.

But they cost far less to manufacture, and dispose of..

i wrote a lengthy response, here's the synopsis.
at first i was all like this -

and then i was like this -

and then -

and now -

quote Originally posted by cliffw: I will concede that every heat producing item is a bigger user of electricity, and incandescents do produce heat.

incandescents are considered one of the most inefficient devices...almost all the energy goes to heat. Eliminating them is a good thing. As long as the replacement bulbs look decent, I don't mind replacing them as they burn out.

My wife got on board with the curly bulbs early on. I wouldn't have a problem if they lasted as advertised but, they don't. They also don't produce a "pleasant" light as far as I'm concerned but, if that's what she wants, I really don't care. I don't use lights like most folks, I use only what I need to get done what I want done. Some folks (my wife for example) likes to have all the lights on. If one lamp with do the job, that's all I turn on. Regardless, I've not seen a whole lot of change in our all electric home electric bill.. Never counted how many light bulbs we have but, there's a bunch. Not worth the investment in my opinion.

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Ron
Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun?

My Uncle Frank was a staunch Conservative and voted straight Republican until the day he died in Chicago. Since then he has voted Democrat. Shrug

quote Originally posted by User00013170: Should have done that long ago. Edison sucks. Telsa forever.

Beat me to it.

quote Originally posted by blackrams: I don't use lights like most folks, I use only what I need to get done what I want done. Some folks (my wife for example) likes to have all the lights on. If one lamp with do the job, that's all I turn on.

Yeah...I have one of those...two people in the house...three TV's on...and I'm sure my puppy isn't watching one

quote Originally posted by Neils88: Yeah...I have one of those...two people in the house...three TV's on...and I'm sure my puppy isn't watching one

Yup! Everyine will be downstairs in th eliving room. I'll go up stairs and all the lights except the table lamp in our bedroom is on. The TV is on in the office and the kids have their radio on.... I always ask them if there are ghosts upstairs that need the lights on to see to watch TV and listen to the radio...

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quote Originally posted by Neils88: Yeah...I have one of those...two people in the house...three TV's on...and I'm sure my puppy isn't watching one

I donno, my pets watch the one in the living room.

quote Originally posted by cliffw: Did you notice the weather was exactly the same every day, you also went to bed at the exact same time (so used no more/less lights per hour), cooked exactly the same amount ? Five dollars is a rounding error.

Not really. I run thirteen 13w bulbs. My savings is significant. I turn mine on with the sunset. Off at dawn. We save money.

Christmas lights... I have CRAZY lights in my yard. I have been buying LEDs, and completely threw away all filament bulbs this year finally. I will look it up like we do every year, and the electric bill will show less use age. It has always dropped. Price? No. Use age? Yes.

You guys are dashing my glorious impression of Thomas Alva Edison. I admit that I believed the history books, and not only had him on a pedestal, but considered him my favorite person in all of history (2nd to Jesus).

So what's all this about Edison sucks?