I decided to write an article on what I keep in my emergency bag. Thought it may help others who want to create one, or possibly add to their own. While much of the listed items are elementary and basic to the seasoned prepper, some of what I list is not conventional at all, and may provide even the more seaoned guys with some food for thought. Hope it helps!

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I don't think this is the same Datrex ration you mention, but this video brings up a point to consider. "Life boat" rations are going to be vastly different than survival field rations due to how much energy you'll be expending. Make sure you get the right type of ration.

Nice, good.. Only things I'd dump and or swap are the Gloves.. (wool get heavy wet and useless quickly. *For my environment* Mechanics gloves for low level cold and protection, Chopper mittens to cover for warmth)
And the Bible - Nothing personal, just weight I don't need. With today's tech might be a better idea to have a kindle with a ton of books (including the Bible) and a solar charger.

quote Originally posted by Uaana: Nice, good.. Only things I'd dump and or swap are the Gloves.. (wool get heavy wet and useless quickly. *For my environment* Mechanics gloves for low level cold and protection, Chopper mittens to cover for warmth) And the Bible - Nothing personal, just weight I don't need. With today's tech might be a better idea to have a kindle with a ton of books (including the Bible) and a solar charger.

I have been slowly converting my library from paper to electronic, but keeping some key books as paper too. There are things i will forget how to do for survival and want to keep my options open. I don't want all my eggs in one basket, if i drop my e-ink reader or we get our tent drenched with water ( etc ), there goes ALL the books... And be sure you are thinking eink, they take so little power to run.. LCD , are a pita to keep charged.

quote Originally posted by User00013170: I have been slowly converting my library from paper to electronic, but keeping some key books as paper too. There are things i will forget how to do for survival and want to keep my options open. I don't want all my eggs in one basket, if i drop my e-ink reader or we get our tent drenched with water ( etc ), there goes ALL the books... And be sure you are thinking eink, they take so little power to run.. LCD , are a pita to keep charged.

Nothing wrong with that, even the Ranger/Recon survival guide would seem a better choice if I had to carry paper. (No offense to religion, trying to stay alive)

I would also recommend some good leather gloves. If you need to work with or build a fire, nylon gloves will melt onto your skin if an ember falls on them.
Gotta keep the hands in tip top condition.

Something else to consider that I've seen a number of preppers do is plan out how long you need to survive with your Bug out Bag.
If you break it down into levels, perhaps a very small Level 0 is what you carry with you everyday. A Level 1 would be again, fairly small that you probably keep in the car with some minor essentials. A full blown BOB (depending on how many levels you break it down to) would have everything you need to survive for whatever extended timeframe you've decided on, several days to weeks?

quote Originally posted by Formula88: I would also recommend some good leather gloves. If you need to work with or build a fire, nylon gloves will melt onto your skin if an ember falls on them. Gotta keep the hands in tip top condition. Something else to consider that I've seen a number of preppers do is plan out how long you need to survive with your Bug out Bag. If you break it down into levels, perhaps a very small Level 0 is what you carry with you everyday. A Level 1 would be again, fairly small that you probably keep in the car with some minor essentials. A full blown BOB (depending on how many levels you break it down to) would have everything you need to survive for whatever extended timeframe you've decided on, several days to weeks?

We do that sort of thing up here in the snow belt in winter. You carry some stuff with you all the time as you never know when you might be stuck in a snow bank up to your eyeballs waiting on help to arrive. I know it's not quite the same thing as a bug out bag, but same concept : 'be prepared'

quote Originally posted by Uaana: And the Bible - Nothing personal, just weight I don't need. With today's tech might be a better idea to have a kindle with a ton of books (including the Bible) and a solar charger.

Keeping your moral up and a positive mental attitude is the single most important thing. If having the Bible with you helps in that regard, it's worth the weight, although I'd probably carry a pocket sized New Testament at the most. If someones isn't religious, it's just extra weight - or kindling.

I posted a video elsewhere on "snivel gear." Stuff that makes you feel good and keep your moral up.

quote Originally posted by Formula88: I don't think this is the same Datrex ration you mention, but this video brings up a point to consider. "Life boat" rations are going to be vastly different than survival field rations due to how much energy you'll be expending. Make sure you get the right type of ration.

Datex makes a bar pack for both. There are U.S. Coast Guard instructions on the side for how much to consume per person if on land or on sea.

quote Originally posted by NickD3.4: Datex makes a bar pack for both. There are U.S. Coast Guard instructions on the side for how much to consume per person if on land or on sea.

Yeah - not saying the ones you listed were wrong - just pointing out people need to be aware of the different types so they don't get the wrong thing.
Lifeboat style rations are going to be next to useless to you if you're hiking overland carrying a 70lb ruck. People who've never prepped at all probably won't even think about that and just grab something that says "emergency rations" and think it must be the right thing.

Another piece of gear to consider...

quote Originally posted by Formula88: Yeah - not saying the ones you listed were wrong - just pointing out people need to be aware of the different types so they don't get the wrong thing. Lifeboat style rations are going to be next to useless to you if you're hiking overland carrying a 70lb ruck. People who've never prepped at all probably won't even think about that and just grab something that says "emergency rations" and think it must be the right thing. Another piece of gear to consider...

I actually have one of these packed, but I lumped it in with emergency blankets.

I've worked hard preparing for years --->I will rely on my ample belly fat to sustain me.


Seriouslyly, though-
Thanks for this thread, I have some work to do.

You guys are great at packing what you'll need in case you survive.

Me? I'll pack my Bible, in case I don't.

Your mileage may, of course, vary.

I didn't notice a firearm and ammunition. I also didn't see anything about a machete. These can be EXTREMELY useful in making kindling. You put toothbrush, but floss is another good thing to keep. No sunblock? The gloves you listed would be a poor choice in my opinion. Work gloves are ideal. If you are needing warmth an extra pair of heavy socks could be warn on your hands. I couldn't tell if that is a bag that you can easily carry or wear on your back, if it isn't then a rugged box would be MUCH better. The bedroll frame though is always good choice. I think a regional survival guide would be a better choice than the bible. BSA manual maybe?

I gathered a couple ideas, but water in your area seems to me would be the biggest importance.

quote Originally posted by Zeb: You guys are great at packing what you'll need in case you survive. Me? I'll pack my Bible, in case I don't. Your mileage may, of course, vary.

Somehow I think even deities, God, Jesus, Muhammad/allah, The Goddess, etc, understands and its OK, if you keep your religious book handy, if not packed. Leave it in the car, if not in your bag.

quote Originally posted by ls3mach: I didn't notice a firearm and ammunition. I also didn't see anything about a machete. These can be EXTREMELY useful in making kindling. You put toothbrush, but floss is another good thing to keep. No sunblock? The gloves you listed would be a poor choice in my opinion. Work gloves are ideal. If you are needing warmth an extra pair of heavy socks could be warn on your hands. I couldn't tell if that is a bag that you can easily carry or wear on your back, if it isn't then a rugged box would be MUCH better. The bedroll frame though is always good choice. I think a regional survival guide would be a better choice than the bible. BSA manual maybe? I gathered a couple ideas, but water in your area seems to me would be the biggest importance.

this is a pack you can wear and carry. I didn't list a firearm because As of yet I have not made a choice on one. I carry a machete, but not in my bag. These items are for my BAG ONLY. I keep keep a firearm, ammo, machete, and extra water in the truck.

work gloves would be good, I forgot to list leather gloves. I keep wool gloves because they are durable, and can even keep your feet warm in a pinch. ....old army trick.

I gave you an A+++ for this Helpfull Topic.
I had a friend,who baught a fire starter...its hard.to do. Nothing beates a trusty lighter.
Other things might be a solar battery charger or on ebay they sell a USB solar charger (asumeing at least 1 cell tower is working).
I have one of those LED flashing bike lights,that comes in handy, if anyone gets lost while hikeing.
L.E.D. flash lights use less current than the bulb type, so thats allso a must have.
I just baught a hand held L.E.D. light from Harbor Freight (includes the batteries too),thats going to work great when the power goes out.
I've allso seen solar powered,AM FM radios (a hand crank charger is on the side too).
A Portable BBQ with an adaptor for a large propane tank would be great.
BB gun or the real deal might be a good option to have, in case of any zombies!

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If you need to start a fire and don't have an kindling handy, check for junk food.
Doritos are flammable.

This thread owns! Thanks for the article, Nick. I give it five stars, two thumbs up, and a snap. I have been thinking about compiling a BOB for the inevitable earthquake coming to drop me in the ocean. Hope it doesn't do it this week, it's Car Week, and there are millions of dollars worth of car there and billions of dollars of personal wealth.

Also thank you to all of the other posters who added valuable information and suggestions. I will be referring back to this thread as I compile the family BOB. One consideration I would add is for pets. Assuming that you can take them if you wanted to, unlike Katrina. But when it comes time to pack up the furry kids, they need to have their water and food. A half cup a day for each pet is enough premium grain free pet food for my small dogs, and my cats can eat dog food or vice versa. The dogs should have about a liter of water per day. Cats drink less, but still need water obviously.

Medication. It is a good idea to keep your regular medications filled, and if you can afford to have an extra weeks medication put aside in case you can't get a pharmacy when you need one. Keep them in a locked box in your fridge, heat is not good for medications. A waterproof box or bag to place it in a ice cooler or a cool stream will keep them cool when you do bug out.

We have two of the half dome two person shelter that a lot of people use at the beach. They pop up like umbrellas and stake down, and they do a remarkable job of handling high winds. Those stay in the car, along with a bunch of beach stuff like blankets and dog bowls. I need to put together my BOBox that I can slide into the car. I think having the backpack is a great idea, but my wife and I aren't hiking too far away from the car, if you know what I mean. The Zombies will get us for sure, but that's good news for the rest of you, it will take them a while to eat us and you can run away or whack them in the head with a machete. We will most likely be car camping.

One thing to consider is what kind of potential emergency that you are responding to, another is where you plan to bug out to. If you live in an area prone to forest fires, an emergency fire shelter would be a good investment. I live in the heart of earthquake country, within a few miles of the San Andreas fault line as a bird flies, on the wrong side of the part tha drops into the deep canyon in the Monterey Bay. If an 8.0+ hits, then I need to worry about the house being uninhabitable, possibility of gas explosions, and possibility of tsunami. So my survival needs may be fine tuned differently then someone who lives near the desert or someone who lives near forests or mountain wilderness.

This is a fascinating subject, and I hope no one actually has to use this information but it is great to be prepared.

I glanced quickly over the posts, and took note of the locations of those who had posted. Depending on the nature of the emergency, most will be in automobiles or othe vehicles, and I can state from experience, that unless you have a LOT of advance notice (days--not hours) most of you will be stuck in traffic and it is not unreasonable to expect you to get less than 100 miles in 24 hrs in a mass evacuation or bug out. My last evacuation took me 8 hrs to drive 60 miles, and I was NOT in a metropolitan area. I had 2 days notice and left on the first day--still bumper to bumper crawling along. If you have only hours advance notice-- Prepare accordingly.

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quote Originally posted by maryjane: I glanced quickly over the posts, and took note of the locations of those who had posted. Depending on the nature of the emergency, most will be in automobiles or othe vehicles, and I can state from experience, that unless you have a LOT of advance notice (days--not hours) most of you will be stuck in traffic and it is not unreasonable to expect you to get less than 100 miles in 24 hrs in a mass evacuation or bug out. My last evacuation took me 8 hrs to drive 60 miles, and I was NOT in a metropolitan area. I had 2 days notice and left on the first day--still bumper to bumper crawling along. If you have only hours advance notice-- Prepare accordingly.

Good point. In my locale the most likely event is a hurricane evacuation.
In the event of short term services interruptions, I'd just try to weather it at home unless there is need to evacuate. Long term services interruption (more than 2-3 weeks) changes things. When Hurricane Floyd came through here, most of the city lost power for several days to a week. Some areas were without power for up to 3 weeks, maybe more. It wasn't near the disaster of Katrina. The devastation was fairly localized - most people affected were affected by power outages. We didn't have to evacuate, but buying food was difficult as was getting medication, etc. IIRC, water service wasn't interrupted on any kind of large scale.

It's also a good idea for family members to all know the bug out plan and rally point. If you can't leave together, you need to know where everyone is headed and don't count on cellphones working. They get quickly overwhelmed in an emergency even if service is fully operational.

There is only one weapon of choice when it comes to BOB...AK47, no wiffle ball bat AR, but glorious Russian AK-47. Failure to eject...beat with rock....Failure to chamber....beat with rock....Cleaning is a breeze....throw in river.

quote Originally posted by maryjane: I glanced quickly over the posts, and took note of the locations of those who had posted. Depending on the nature of the emergency, most will be in automobiles or othe vehicles, and I can state from experience, that unless you have a LOT of advance notice (days--not hours) most of you will be stuck in traffic and it is not unreasonable to expect you to get less than 100 miles in 24 hrs in a mass evacuation or bug out. My last evacuation took me 8 hrs to drive 60 miles, and I was NOT in a metropolitan area. I had 2 days notice and left on the first day--still bumper to bumper crawling along. If you have only hours advance notice-- Prepare accordingly.

Weather isn't really an evacuation thing in my area. Tornadoes drop and that's that. I have a storm shelter for those issues. Personally I will be staying home and fortifying my house for any other problems. If I am going to die. I want to die in comfort with loved ones and my pets and such. The only place I would be better prepared is my shop. Nice fence. Flat-top roof. Cinder block building. I will be staying put until I can make it there with my required items, guns and Labrador.

EDIT. Don't recall if you said a bright safety vest. Those are useful to make yourself visible if needed.

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quote Originally posted by maryjane: I glanced quickly over the posts, and took note of the locations of those who had posted. Depending on the nature of the emergency, most will be in automobiles or othe vehicles, and I can state from experience, that unless you have a LOT of advance notice (days--not hours) most of you will be stuck in traffic and it is not unreasonable to expect you to get less than 100 miles in 24 hrs in a mass evacuation or bug out. My last evacuation took me 8 hrs to drive 60 miles, and I was NOT in a metropolitan area. I had 2 days notice and left on the first day--still bumper to bumper crawling along. If you have only hours advance notice-- Prepare accordingly.

Very correct: Plan a route accordingly using back roads and if necessary be able to think clearly, if traffic is to bad use a motorcycle and back routes or travel in your own lane (between cars stuck in traffic) Downside to bike is your exposed to weather so dress accordingly.

"Stimpy" is right: prepare for your pets too! Don't leave them behind, take em with ya and plan for their feeding/water too.

Of course if you have an airplane, plan a back route to the airport, and have your aircraft ready to depart--full of fuel, etc so you can avoid the traffic on an evac. Make a BOB suitable for a plane trip (not to heavy) but adquete. You may be living in your aircraft for a day or two until suitable housing can be found for you and your family.

quote Originally posted by htexans1: Very correct: Plan a route accordingly using back roads and if necessary be able to think clearly, if traffic is to bad use a motorcycle and back routes or travel in your own lane (between cars stuck in traffic) Downside to bike is your exposed to weather so dress accordingly.

Did I mention that both evacs, I was on back roads? Interstates and US 59 was clogged to their capacity already--within hours. Went over to old hwy 90 and it was also clogged, and so was the farm to market road following the Trinity River. Basically, if you can think of it or see a route on a map, so can everyone else. Prepare accordingly.

If it's a major storm evac, look at it's "after landfall" projected path. Do not, (in Texas) unless you leave very early, try to run North before the storm--run perpendicular to that path is your best bet. I will never again try to outrun one by going North. I will go South or SW of the usual Northward projected path, or maybe even cut across that projected path and go due East into Louisiana.

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quote Originally posted by maryjane: Did I mention that both evacs, I was on back roads? Interstates and US 59 was clogged to their capacity already--within hours. Went over to old hwy 90 and it was also clogged, and so was the farm to market road following the Trinity River. Basically, if you can think of it or see a route on a map, so can everyone else. Prepare accordingly.

True that is.

I mentioned back roads again, as well as thinking clearly--that is keep all your options open, as well as ones mentioned already. I also mentioned them again, as they can be a faster way to the (general aviation) airport.

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quote Originally posted by 87antuzzi: There is only one weapon of choice when it comes to BOB...AK47, no wiffle ball bat AR, but glorious Russian AK-47. Failure to eject...beat with rock....Failure to chamber....beat with rock....Cleaning is a breeze....throw in river.

I did a lot of thinking about what I wanted for a SHTF rifle. I settled on this baby.




This is a Sig Saur 516 AR chambered in 5.56. Why did I chose this?

This rifle is built from the ground up as a short stroke piston AR. I has seen thousands of rounds in tests with no cleaning and still runs like a sewing machine. It can be buried in mud, water, silt, snow, sleet, etc....it will keep firing.

You can watch s demo here.


I chose this for AK-47 like reliability, but with the benefits of an AR. What are they? I have trained with many rifles, and in my opinion, the AR is a better SHTF weapon in the United States due to the following.

It is common in the U.S., parts are abundant, and are standard with both military and police forces nation wide. 5.56 is easy to come by, and will be far more abundant in the U.S. due to police and military use then 7.62x39 will. parts will be easier to find as well.

The 5.56 is a flatter shooting round, is more accurate then 7.62x39, and has greater range. The 7.62X39mm is a heavy bullet that is under powered for any accurate engaging past 200 meters. In comparison, the AK-47 is not a designed as a rifle, more then a spray weapon. One clue to this is the sub machine gun type sights it was made with. Russian tactics used a mass swarm attack, so having a marksman based rifle is was not really the intent.

In a engagement of 300 meters or more, the AR will outperform the AK in accuracy hands down.

Many scoff at the 5.56, however if you're using soft tip 55 Grn for anti- personal, it's not a round be taken lightly. There is a reason that the Russians copied the 5.56 with the AK-74, going to a 5.45X39mm. It's a very nasty round against soft targets. The 7.62X39mm is a good penetrating round, but when it hits people, it has a tendency to go in clean and out clean.

I end this with a quote from Frank D miller, a medal of honor recipient in Vietnam. He was a Green Beret, and served 3 tours in Nam. He was hit 3 times by a 7.62X39mm round from an Ak-47.

He had the following to say...

"M16: The standard personal firearm (rifle) of American troops. In my opinion, the M-16 is superior to the AK-47 as a killing instrument. Although the M-16 fires a smaller caliber round than the AK-47 (5.56mm vs. 7.62mm), its muzzle velocity is far greater (3,280 feet per second vs. 2,330, feet per second). The increased muzzle velocity creates a tumbling effect on the smaller round; the round will tumble and ricochet off bone once it penetrates flesh, causing enormous damage as it rips crazily through the body. I've seen an M-16 round create an entrance hole no bigger than a dime, yet leave a hole the size of a softball upon exit. I've seen it blow off limbs at the joints. I've used both the AK-47 and the M-16, and I far prefer the latter. On the Medal of Honor day; I was shot through the chest with an AK-47 round. Had it been an M-16 round, I can almost guarantee you that I'd 'have been killed instantly."

just some food for thought.....;-)

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bump for interest

If you want to use an AR type weapon consider using "stock" match ammo. I prefer the heavier 77 or 68 grain grain hollow point ammo and it will take down a lot of game and force other unwanted presences out of service fairly quickly. BTW, I have both AK and AR type weapons and prefer the AR for most situations that I am likely to encounter. For small game hunting, a 22 upper to go along with the 5.56 upper is a nice economical solution wrt cost and availability. The polymer and carbon frame 22 uppers (around 4 pounds) are fairly light weight and deadly accurate in the right hands.

Nelson

An alternative to zip ties are Pampered Chef's Tie-its#1795 Tie-It — $7.00
Flexible, reusable ties can be used throughout the house to bind food packages, electrical cords, ribbons and even gardening supplies, like bags of grass seed. Set of 15 in three sizes: 5 1/2 ", 6" and 7 1/4".

For traveling to unknown parts, may I suggest the Ural Gear-Up Sidecar Motorcycle. Roads? We don't need roads...

MSRP: $13,949*
Dimensions (LxWxH): 101.6″ x 66.9″ x 43.3″
Seat Height: 30.9″
Road clearance: 5.9″
Dry Weight: 739 lbs
Recommended max speed: 62 mph
Engine: OHV Air-cooled, 4 stroke, opposed twin cylinder
Bore & Stroke: 78×78 (mm)
Compression Ratio: 8.6:1
Displacement: 749cc
Rated HP @ 5600 RPM: 40
Rated Torque @ 4600 RPM: 38 ft-lbs
Fuel System: Carbureted, dual Keihin L22AA, 32mm
Clutch: Dry, dual disk
Alternator Max Output: 55amp, 770 watts
Starting: Electric & Kick starter
Transmission: 4 forward, 1 reverse
Final Drive: Shaft drive
Recommended Fuel: 91 Octane Unleaded
Tank Capacity: 5.0 gallons
Front Brakes: Brembo with full floating disk
Rear Brakes: Mechanical drum
Sidecar Brakes: Mechanical drum
Ignition System: Full electronic C.D.I.
Front Suspension: Leading link w/Sachs hydraulic shock absorbers
Rear Suspension: Sachs hydraulic shock absorbers
Wheel Size(front, rear, and sidecar): 19″
Wheel Type: Aluminum, steel spokes, cast alum. hubs
Miles per Gallon: 26-33 mpg
Trunk Volume: 2.9 cubic ft
Color: Forest Fog, Gobi Desert Camo, Forest Camo
Special features: On Demand 2WD
Warranty: 2 years parts and labor, unlimited mileage
*MSRP excluding tax, license, registration, delivery, and dealer-installed options. Dealer prices may vary.

A good website to find good outdoor info is http://www.advrider.com/for...8acbfc471af500&f=51. They know what and how to pack everything and what works and doesn't.

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NickD3.4,

What do you have against Eddie Rabbitt?

Jonathan

How good are those Urals and sidecars in snowdrifts?

couple of inches of snow on top of mud doesn't seem to slow it down. I'm sure when you see a drift, you slow down a bit.

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quote Originally posted by NickD3.4: I did a lot of thinking about what I wanted for a SHTF rifle. I settled on this baby. This is a Sig Saur 516 AR chambered in 5.56. Why did I chose this? This rifle is built from the ground up as a short stroke piston AR. I has seen thousands of rounds in tests with no cleaning and still runs like a sewing machine. It can be buried in mud, water, silt, snow, sleet, etc....it will keep firing. You can watch s demo here. I chose this for AK-47 like reliability, but with the benefits of an AR. What are they? I have trained with many rifles, and in my opinion, the AR is a better SHTF weapon in the United States due to the following. It is common in the U.S., parts are abundant, and are standard with both military and police forces nation wide. 5.56 is easy to come by, and will be far more abundant in the U.S. due to police and military use then 7.62x39 will. parts will be easier to find as well. The 5.56 is a flatter shooting round, is more accurate then 7.62x39, and has greater range. The 7.62X39mm is a heavy bullet that is under powered for any accurate engaging past 200 meters. In comparison, the AK-47 is not a designed as a rifle, more then a spray weapon. One clue to this is the sub machine gun type sights it was made with. Russian tactics used a mass swarm attack, so having a marksman based rifle is was not really the intent. In a engagement of 300 meters or more, the AR will outperform the AK in accuracy hands down. Many scoff at the 5.56, however if you're using soft tip 55 Grn for anti- personal, it's not a round be taken lightly. There is a reason that the Russians copied the 5.56 with the AK-74, going to a 5.45X39mm. It's a very nasty round against soft targets. The 7.62X39mm is a good penetrating round, but when it hits people, it has a tendency to go in clean and out clean. I end this with a quote from Frank D miller, a medal of honor recipient in Vietnam. He was a Green Beret, and served 3 tours in Nam. He was hit 3 times by a 7.62X39mm round from an Ak-47. He had the following to say... "M16: The standard personal firearm (rifle) of American troops. In my opinion, the M-16 is superior to the AK-47 as a killing instrument. Although the M-16 fires a smaller caliber round than the AK-47 (5.56mm vs. 7.62mm), its muzzle velocity is far greater (3,280 feet per second vs. 2,330, feet per second). The increased muzzle velocity creates a tumbling effect on the smaller round; the round will tumble and ricochet off bone once it penetrates flesh, causing enormous damage as it rips crazily through the body. I've seen an M-16 round create an entrance hole no bigger than a dime, yet leave a hole the size of a softball upon exit. I've seen it blow off limbs at the joints. I've used both the AK-47 and the M-16, and I far prefer the latter. On the Medal of Honor day; I was shot through the chest with an AK-47 round. Had it been an M-16 round, I can almost guarantee you that I'd 'have been killed instantly." just some food for thought.....;-)

You have a nice gun, I chose the S&W M&P AR15

How's this for a bugout vehicle?



Jonathan

quote Originally posted by NickD3.4: This is a Sig Saur 516 AR chambered in 5.56. Why did I chose this?

How much $?

How far on a tank of gas. I prefer my minivan with enough gas to go 450+ miles and carry everything I need. Id be on the road before most people manage to clog them up. I can also carry another 300 miles worth of gas already setting in the garage.

quote Originally posted by rogergarrison: How far on a tank of gas. I prefer my minivan with enough gas to go 450+ miles and carry everything I need. Id be on the road before most people manage to clog them up. I can also carry another 300 miles worth of gas already setting in the garage.

I think it is a 6 gallon tank so I would guess a range in the neighborhood of about 300 miles. These are equiped from the factory to carry 3 hard bags so with them, you could carry extra fuel. Of course that would take away from your packing space unless your bugout bag was a backpack.

Jonathan

I suppose a horse would be a good vehicle.