Broke into my locker (a bunch of car thefts this week so the car is unsafe and cant carry wallet on the floor). I had no cash in my wallet so I figured it was safer. I also switched to a locker that could not be broke into as easily. Well, they took my wallet, went to walmart and almost spent a grand. This time I filled out police reports, went to the bank and did everything I needed to and opened a new account. At least I dont have to worry about my wallet getting stolen again, I dont have one anymore. 100 hour work weeks are in my future.

Ack.

Time to find a new job.

Again after just a week or so ??? The thief is obviously another employee. Have them do a lie detector test on all employees. I was at a place that did that and they caught the guy that was stealing equipment. If someone quits before taking a test, hes the first suspect. Why dont they let you have your wallet on the floor? Id be telling them you will or they have to provide security and reimburse you for losses. It dont pay you to work there when your income is stolen every week.

quote Originally posted by rogergarrison: Again after just a week or so ??? The thief is obviously another employee. Have them do a lie detector test on all employees. I was at a place that did that and they caught the guy that was stealing equipment. If someone quits before taking a test, hes the first suspect. Why dont they let you have your wallet on the floor? Id be telling them you will or they have to provide security and reimburse you for losses. It dont pay you to work there when your income is stolen every week.

It might work internally, but a lie detector wont hold up in court tho. And i guarantee if i got tagged due to a bad test, and reprimanded due to it, we would be going to court soon afterward.

Another problem is his union may not allow it.

Also, if i had an employee come to me demanding that I pay for his personal loss, he would be out the door.

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My work does not owe me anything. They are nice enough to let me do 90 hour work weeks because of last weeks robbery. They just need better quality people who are hired and quit hiring convicts because they can get away with under paying them. Im just happy ive outgrown acting on my anger without thinking. I am being calm and rational about everything, I will be getting my money back in a few weeks as the bank manager and I were talking when another transaction took place so thats "proof in the pudding". I've just been on a streak of bad things happening for a few weeks and its tearing me down, im in cronic pain because of my teeth, im working my ass of to save up to get it pulled and then I get robbed. In reality its all a drop in the bucket, im only 20 (21 in less than a week) so I can take these bad things while im young and learn how to avoid them for when im older. If I let everything everything get to me like it wants to I would have ate a double ought buck long ago.

"Also, if i had an employee come to me demanding that I pay for his personal loss, he would be out the door."

If your business caused my loss by preventing me from protecting my own property or you providing reasonable security , you wouldnt have to fire me. Id be out the door without any further notice. Personally, ive never heard of anyplace telling you that you cant carry your wallet on you. I cant see that as any kind of an issue except maybe to a swimming pool lifeguard.

if they went to walmart there is video . it shouldn't be too hard to figure out who the culprit is then. walmart is usually very cooperative in cases like this.

quote Originally posted by rogergarrison: "Also, if i had an employee come to me demanding that I pay for his personal loss, he would be out the door." If your business caused my loss by preventing me from protecting my own property or you providing reasonable security , you wouldnt have to fire me. Id be out the door without any further notice. Personally, ive never heard of anyplace telling you that you cant carry your wallet on you. I cant see that as any kind of an issue except maybe to a swimming pool lifeguard.

Anywhere i have worked have they explicitly either forbidden personal items, or that they are not responsible. Be it tools, ( as a tech ), a radio for your desk, your car out in the lot, pretty much anything that is not purchased by the company is not "protected". That doesn't mean of course that your supervisor may feel bad and help you out if you lose your wrench, but there is no legal requirement to do it and demanding reimbursement would be way over the line.

Beyond that even where i work now there is a room down the hall from me ( behind 2 separately keyed doors.. even i cant get past the 2nd and could only look in the window ) that forbids ANY personal items other than the clothes on your back, even your car keys..wrist watch, cell phone, wallet... a pencil...nothing. It is grounds for instant dismissal if they catch you.

I have had other personal experience with it too. I lost a laptop once ( stolen ) out of my office. It was made real clear to me that they did not have to reimburse me and to never bring anything in again that they didn't own, but since i was using it for work reasons ( our budget sucked .. no money ) and i was important to them, they didn't want to risk losing me over a few hundred dollars and bought me another. It was older, and i knew the risk of bringing it in, so it was 'expendable'. But it was a nice gesture on their part. I have lost books at another employer, 'too bad, shouldn't bring your own stuff in' when i mentioned the stuff was gone. ( not to ask for more, j ust as a report ) A number of other peoples stuff would turn up missing a lot, radios, music CD's, food bowls.. .Turned out to be the night cleaning crew..

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quote Originally posted by 87antuzzi: My work does not owe me anything. They are nice enough to let me do 90 hour work weeks because of last weeks robbery. They just need better quality people who are hired and quit hiring convicts because they can get away with under paying them. Im just happy ive outgrown acting on my anger without thinking. I am being calm and rational about everything, I will be getting my money back in a few weeks as the bank manager and I were talking when another transaction took place so thats "proof in the pudding". I've just been on a streak of bad things happening for a few weeks and its tearing me down, im in cronic pain because of my teeth, im working my ass of to save up to get it pulled and then I get robbed. In reality its all a drop in the bucket, im only 20 (21 in less than a week) so I can take these bad things while im young and learn how to avoid them for when im older. If I let everything everything get to me like it wants to I would have ate a double ought buck long ago.

Just keep ya head down, and your eyes up.

Buy a punching bag. A good 80#er. That is what I did at your age. It helped. Good luck.

Tony

If they used your credit/debit card, you can get the payments reversed, retrieve the amounts, and the money returned to your account by your Bank.
At least, you can over here. I have had my account with my Bank for 23 years, and I have done this several times. It is NOT not paying for items taken, it is simply resetting the sales back to just before the purchase was made, and it is then the onus of the seller to prove YOU bought them. If somebody else uses your card, and the seller does not carry out prescribed checks to ensure it is YOU, then they are SOL.
What have the Police said this time?

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quote Originally posted by User00013170: Anywhere i have worked have they explicitly either forbidden personal items, or that they are not responsible. Be it tools, ( as a tech ), a radio for your desk, your car out in the lot, pretty much anything that is not purchased by the company is not "protected". That doesn't mean of course that your supervisor may feel bad and help you out if you lose your wrench, but there is no legal requirement to do it and demanding reimbursement would be way over the line. Beyond that even where i work now there is a room down the hall from me ( behind 2 separately keyed doors.. even i cant get past the 2nd and could only look in the window ) that forbids ANY personal items other than the clothes on your back, even your car keys..wrist watch, cell phone, wallet... a pencil...nothing. It is grounds for instant dismissal if they catch you. I have had other personal experience with it too. I lost a laptop once ( stolen ) out of my office. It was made real clear to me that they did not have to reimburse me and to never bring anything in again that they didn't own, but since i was using it for work reasons ( our budget sucked .. no money ) and i was important to them, they didn't want to risk losing me over a few hundred dollars and bought me another. It was older, and i knew the risk of bringing it in, so it was 'expendable'. But it was a nice gesture on their part. I have lost books at another employer, 'too bad, shouldn't bring your own stuff in' when i mentioned the stuff was gone. ( not to ask for more, j ust as a report ) A number of other peoples stuff would turn up missing a lot, radios, music CD's, food bowls.. .Turned out to be the night cleaning crew..

I can understand most of those items, some would be dangerous like jewelry in a machine shop. I see no problem with a wallet in your pocket. Id consider it a piece of clothing. What do they say about a money belt ? If I went to work and they said Id have to remove it, Id take off my pants, hand them to them even if commando, and go to work The girls at the restaurant were not allowed to carry personal items on the floor and the store provided locked lockers in a locked room. No one could be inside it without a manager present. It also had a security camera that was viewed in the office.

If my job required me using my own personal items like your computer, they better damn well cover the cost in case of theft or they can provide me with one. I dont care if they can or cant afford it. I guess this is part of the reason I prefer working for myself. Ive quit places for less than this. I really dont care if it requires them to hire a guard to sit in the locker room. You have some right to assume your property is safe if they demand you leave it with them.

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quote Originally posted by Falcon Fiero: if they went to walmart there is video . it shouldn't be too hard to figure out who the culprit is then. walmart is usually very cooperative in cases like this.

Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner

quote Originally posted by rogergarrison: I can understand most of those items, some would be dangerous like jewelry in a machine shop. I see no problem with a wallet in your pocket. Id consider it a piece of clothing. What do they say about a money belt ? If I went to work and they said Id have to remove it, Id take off my pants, hand them to them even if commando, and go to work The girls at the restaurant were not allowed to carry personal items on the floor and the store provided locked lockers in a locked room. No one could be inside it without a manager present. It also had a security camera that was viewed in the office. If my job required me using my own personal items like your computer, they better damn well cover the cost in case of theft or they can provide me with one. I dont care if they can or cant afford it. I guess this is part of the reason I prefer working for myself. Ive quit places for less than this. I really dont care if it requires them to hire a guard to sit in the locker room. You have some right to assume your property is safe if they demand you leave it with them.

in this case they deal with sensitive information and don't want any leaks. Their personal items are locked up ( thier own locks ) in lockers that are behind one of the sets of secure doors. Its pretty safe.

I agree you should be able to assume some level of safety and trust your co workers, but i always err on the side of caution. Nothing i take to work im not willing to lose.

quote Originally posted by User00013170: ... where i work now there is a room ... that forbids ANY personal items other than the clothes on your back, even your car keys..wrist watch, cell phone, wallet... a pencil...nothing. It is grounds for instant dismissal if they catch you.

I visited a high-security client site one time where I was advised that I could take almost anything I wanted into the facility with me, but I wouldn't be allowed to bring any of it back out.

Back when I was still somebody's employee, I once had a library book I had taken into work stolen by the General Manager. Even though it was a management text, the GM apparently considered the book's title "subversive" and instructed my boss, the Chief Engineer, to find who had brought it in and fire him. The GM even called the library and demanded to know who had checked the book out, after the CE had refused to do so, but to their credit the library wouldn't reveal that information. The CE knew whose book it was and why I was reading it, so we were cool. Yes, the GM was an idiot.

I'd get wally worlds video..
I'd also go to your computer and make a sign..


I'd have done this after the first time.. and taped them all around the building.. even at the exit to the parking area..
good luck.. but you knew there is a theif and you left your wallet in a locker... not to bright.. I'd have hid it in my car first.. or just carryed the debit card and had my drive lic in car..
wallet at home..
good luck.. print out signs,, google is yor friend..
and tape them around the building.. better yet.. print them out, and hand them and a roll of tape to the manager/boss and have him put them up..
problem solved.. 10 minutes of your time and 10 cents of paper and it have ended..
I'd have your work get the wally world video or have your management watch the footage of their employee red handed.. and then call the cops, and have him/her cuffed and stuffed at work in front of everybody..

Its ironic that they are so security concious to protect themselves, but cant keep a simple locker thief in check. If I was their customer, id be moving my business elsewhere.

If its such an epidemic it should not be hard to implement some measures to stop it.

Maybe you can create a new position for yourself?

God, I hate theifs. Kudos for you for not losing your head, because I think I would be glaring at everyone at work.

Im getting the footage sometime this week. Im just tired of people, I really want alone time but cant really get it anywhere.

Kris......what is it with your Bank? Won't they claw back the money from Walmart immediately? As I said, over here, the BAnk can, and WILL, cancel the payments and return the money to your account. It is then, as I already said before, the responsibility for the SELLER to PROVE YOU USED THE CARD. You probably won't be able to have access to that money for a day or two, but the money WILL be back in YOUR ACCOUNT.
What has your Bank, and Walmart, said so far???

quote Originally posted by 87antuzzi: Im getting the footage sometime this week. Im just tired of people, I really want alone time but cant really get it anywhere.

Are you the only person at work getting hit?

Is the place you work a union shop?

Im getting my money back from the bank, dont even have to dispute it. It will take a week or two to see the money. The police are doing their work. Others are being robbed too, cars broken into and stuff missing. We think its just one person.

Is there a work-related reason why you can't just keep your wallet on your person?

Maybe try switching to a money clip like the slim clip, got room for some cash, your ID and a couple of cards (Could also sandwich a single car key between two cards):

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quote Originally posted by fierofetish: Kris......what is it with your Bank? Won't they claw back the money from Walmart immediately? As I said, over here, the BAnk can, and WILL, cancel the payments and return the money to your account. It is then, as I already said before, the responsibility for the SELLER to PROVE YOU USED THE CARD. You probably won't be able to have access to that money for a day or two, but the money WILL be back in YOUR ACCOUNT. What has your Bank, and Walmart, said so far???

true, but if they use a debit card and have the pin.. all bets are off.. unless you get lucky and they have video, and the thug doesn't say you let him use the card and gave you the pin..

They do

quote Originally posted by fierofetish: They do

ya the 3 numbers on the back of the card.. that just lets the vendor& bank.. know you have the card,
none of my c/c's have pin # required to use it.. and don't have that option of adding them..
they do have a pin # to get a cash advance from a atm.. but that doesn't stop anyone from charing up a storm.

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quote Originally posted by E.Furgal: none of my c/c's have pin # required to use it.. and don't have that option of adding them..

Next thing you're going to tell us is that your credit card doesn't have an embedded "chip".

quote Originally posted by E.Furgal: ya the 3 numbers on the back of the card.. that just lets the vendor& bank.. know you have the card, none of my c/c's have pin # required to use it.. and don't have that option of adding them.. they do have a pin # to get a cash advance from a atm.. but that doesn't stop anyone from charing up a storm.

If they steal cash from an ATM with a CC they are long gone. ( i know they have cameras in them, but a simple mask fixes that )

In theory the store should be checking ID and comparing signatures, so if they let it go thru then they are on the hook, not the CC company. So less incentive to 'protect' the cards.

Here in Spain, you have to either produce a driving licence or passport (photographic evidence), or punch in your PIN...to use either a credit or debit card.
The number on the back is purely for electronic transactions, to 'sorta' prove you actually have the card in your possession...stops people just copying the card number and using that. We also have another card which has a series of 6 digit numbers, and a code to select which of the 6 digit numbers they want you to use. The Bank will automatically intercept ANY transaction online, and require you to punch in the relevant 6 digit number for the code they give you.

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quote Originally posted by Patrick: Next thing you're going to tell us is that your credit card doesn't have an embedded "chip".

I use my c/c and have YET to punch in a pin #... in the 25 years I've used them..
not all c/c have a chip.. you must of missed how thugs steal your cc# with a scanner walking by ..
my cc requires a pin IF I want to get cash advances... when I bye anything or order online, I don't need a pin #..
that was my point.. when face to face sales you SHOULD have to punch in a pin.. AND YOU DON'T..

quote Originally posted by E.Furgal: I use my c/c and have YET to punch in a pin #... in the 25 years I've used them.. not all c/c have a chip.. you must of missed how thugs steal your cc# with a scanner walking by .. my cc requires a pin IF I want to get cash advances... when I bye anything or order online, I don't need a pin #.. that was my point.. when face to face sales you SHOULD have to punch in a pin.. AND YOU DON'T..

WELL, I DO... SO THERE !

I honestly don't understand what you're getting at.

My credit card has a microchip embedded in it. If I use it to order something online, all I supply is my name and credit card number (and that three digit number on the back). However, whenever I use it to pay for something in the "real" world, I have to punch in my secret four digit PIN.

Are you suggesting your older type of credit card is safer than what I'm using?

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we here in the land of the free have things called debit cards, they have the mastercard or visa logo but are DEBIT CARDS they pull from your checking account.. these require you to punch in a pin #,
c/c's on the other hand DO NOT require you to punch in any pin # at all at any retailer, but if I choose to get a cash advance at an atm, I'd need a pin # something I'd never do..
the c/c with the chip thugs are reading the info while you walk by them.. my cards do not have this.. and I'd not carry one that did..

quote Originally posted by Patrick: WELL, I DO... SO THERE ! I honestly don't understand what you're getting at. My credit card has a microchip embedded in it. If I use it to order something online, all I supply is my name and credit card number (and that three digit number on the back). However, whenever I use it to pay for something in the "real" world, I have to punch in my secret four digit PIN. Are you suggesting your older type of credit card is safer than what I'm using?

So..does it have an electronic strip on the back?

quote Originally posted by Patrick: WELL, I DO... SO THERE ! I honestly don't understand what you're getting at. My credit card has a microchip embedded in it. If I use it to order something online, all I supply is my name and credit card number (and that three digit number on the back). However, whenever I use it to pay for something in the "real" world, I have to punch in my secret four digit PIN. Are you suggesting your older type of credit card is safer than what I'm using?

Here when you use your card at a store in person, you just run the card thru the machine and sign. Then you walk. Some stores ask to see ID so they can match the names up, but most don't. If you go to a self-serve line, then they never ask. I think they all should be doing it, but they don't. We have no secret pin for regular purchases.

quote Originally posted by User00013170: Not if you hit the 'credit' button. No extra pin required then. ( tho at gas stations here they now ask for your zip code for any 'credit' transaction.. )

x2
it ask for your zip..
when I use my c/c also.. I don't use my debit card as a credit card.. don't think I even can.. as there is no credit limit on it..
and I'd pull out my c/c from the same bank if I was to use credit..

quote Originally posted by E.Furgal: x2 it ask for your zip.. when I use my c/c also.. I don't use my debit card as a credit card.. don't think I even can.. as there is no credit limit on it.. and I'd pull out my c/c from the same bank if I was to use credit..

I only get so many 'ATM' transactions a month for free ( unless its at my bank's machines, or a network member bank, which there are not many ). Transactions at a store count against that cap unless i call it 'credit'. It still comes directly out of my account and didn't magically become a credit card, but the service charge is against the retailer and not my bank so it doesn't count against my monthly free cap.

I'm sure yours would work too if you ( or a thief ) tried it. But if you don't have a cap, no need to bother with it.

I already said it. Your company should have everyone do a lie detector test. So what if it dont hold up in court. You will find the thief. I didnt believe in them either till they caught the guy where I worked. When confronted he admitted the thefts...no court involved. The Walmart video should show you who used your card too. Both things make it an open and shut theft case.

quote Originally posted by rogergarrison: I already said it. Your company should have everyone do a lie detector test. So what if it dont hold up in court. You will find the thief. I didnt believe in them either till they caught the guy where I worked. When confronted he admitted the thefts...no court involved. The Walmart video should show you who used your card too. Both things make it an open and shut theft case.

Even if it would find the culprit via a detector, he cant force his company to do anything ( plus it could open them up to legal issues anyway if they did ). He wont get the Walmart video without a court order.

Getting his money back from the bank and working on prevention is his best route.

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