Mine is the military, defense spending, and national defense (and the space program).
As an independent, I've been voting for who I think would be the person who can fight these wars, show a strong arm when needed, and generally kick some ass both diplomatically and militarily.
That said, I'm back on the fence now about who to vote for in November. I listened to Obama's speech, and watched some of the DNC, and plan to watch some of the RNC as well.
But here's my concern about who to vote for: while McCain is the most qualified (by far), he could very likely die in office, which means Palin is the (wo)Man for the job. Everything I've heard, everything I've read, every pundit and talking head have not said anything about how she would do as a Commander of our military.
My question I present to everyone here is the in the subject line: Can she fight?
I don't want to hear about how McCain is great blah blah, it is very likely he won't be around for 4 years.
I don't want to hear about how much worse off we would be with Obama in there.
I want to know how Palin can be a good strong military leader if McCain dies.
The dems have a valid argument when they say she's a heartbeat away from the presidency.
So what will she do with our country if she has to run it?
Judging by her handling of the oil companies and big government as a governor, and judging by her NRA membership and judging by her raising boys and choosing to raise a downs syndrome child, I'd say she can fight and she is likely tough as old shoe leather.
Very good question. Let's hope the thread stays on topic. About all I know about her "fight" experience so far is that she's a pro-gun lifelong member of the NRA. I'll definitely be doing some research on her.
Judging by her handling of the oil companies and big government as a governor, and judging by her NRA membership and judging by her raising boys and choosing to raise a downs syndrome child, I'd say she can fight and she is likely tough as old shoe leather.
Arn
Not to mention she has also taken on her own political party for corruption within. While you may not agree with everything she has done I think the stuff that she has done shows strong moral and a very strong willingness to fight and stand up for what she knows and thinks is right. She isn't afraid to take on problems that others won't.
I haven't researched it myself yet but I also heard she has a son who is going to Iraq next month.
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Very good question. Let's hope the thread stays on topic.
Indeed.
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Originally posted by Formula88:About all I know about her "fight" experience so far is that she's a pro-gun lifelong member of the NRA. I'll definitely be doing some research on her.
But can she look Putin in the eyes without flinching? I'm glad she's a gunslinger, and that does help her cause in my eyes, but I hope she has the intestinal fortitude to make those huge decisions - because most people who want to be president probably don't deserve it - but she has been "called up" so to speak. Who knows how this will go down?
The question isn't whether she can look Putin in the eye. The question is if Putin can look her in the eye That is the face of a woman who is pretty fearless.
Arn
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The question isn't whether she can look Putin in the eye. The question is if Putin can look her in the eye That is the face of a woman who is pretty fearless.
Arn
You got me there.
(Honestly though, I keep hearing every say how attractive she is... I just don't see it.)
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Very good question. Let's hope the thread stays on topic. About all I know about her "fight" experience so far is that she's a pro-gun lifelong member of the NRA. I'll definitely be doing some research on her.
Sarah Palin...is that hot or what???
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But can she look Putin in the eyes without flinching? - Flamberge
That makes me think of JFK’s meeting with Nikita Khrushchev http://www.nytimes.com/2008...all.html?ref=opinion It isn't so much as what happens eye to eye, but what is perceived from that meeting and what could happen after.
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That makes me think of JFK’s meeting with Nikita Khrushchev http://www.nytimes.com/2008...all.html?ref=opinion It isn't so much as what happens eye to eye, but what is perceived from that meeting and what could happen after.
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Thanks everyone.
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That makes me think of JFK’s meeting with Nikita Khrushchev http://www.nytimes.com/2008...all.html?ref=opinion It isn't so much as what happens eye to eye, but what is perceived from that meeting and what could happen after.
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This is a great illustration of the difference between learning from HISTORY and learning from one's PERCEPTION of history. As long as we continue to deify people we will continue to fail to reach the loftey goals we THINK they represent.
Kennedy was an average President whose mistakes far outshined his successes and might have grown into a competent Commander in Chief, but unfortunately never got the chance.
I'm looking forward to seeing Palin send her son off the Iraq next week. This will give us clues as to her humanity AND her capacity to send men into harm's way for America.
I expect to see pride, a little motherly trepidation, and resolve. If she does that then she will have shown herself to be ready for command and control.
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I'm looking forward to seeing Palin send her son off the Iraq next week. This will give us clues as to her humanity AND her capacity to send men into harm's way for America.
I expect to see pride, a little motherly trepidation, and resolve. If she does that then she will have shown herself to be ready for command and control.
Well said, Toddster. I too will be watching that. A mother sending her son to war and soon to be in a position to affect said war if the repubs win makes for an interesting storyline.
It's time to post a Can Obama fight? thread.
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This is the first time I've ever seen a VICE presidential candidate get so much critical review. Can you imagine what this would be when Kerry/Edwards was running. Could Edwards fight? WE know that Kerry was one of the baby killer Vietnam vets, so he could fight.
She looks like one tough MILF, although a very unknown one for those of the lower 48.
How would anyone know? She's been the governor of Alaska for about two minutes and, before that, was the mayor of a town about the size of a shopping mall.
She's a Christian and likes guns and Ron Paul. Ron Paul hates wars and voted against Iraq. If she follows in his foot steps, most likely you would be disappointed.
I haven't enough information to be against Palin as a person but... Good Lord... she didn't even know what the VP did until a few weeks ago:
Whatever. Vote for whoever you want. That's what makes this country great but I don't see this obvious political gimmick of McCain's as anything but politics and pandering to women. Just my opinion.
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We all have our causes and issues we care about.
Mine is the military, defense spending, and national defense (and the space program).
As an independent, I've been voting for who I think would be the person who can fight these wars, show a strong arm when needed, and generally kick some ass both diplomatically and militarily.
That said, I'm back on the fence now about who to vote for in November. I listened to Obama's speech, and watched some of the DNC, and plan to watch some of the RNC as well.
But here's my concern about who to vote for: while McCain is the most qualified (by far), he could very likely die in office, which means Palin is the (wo)Man for the job. Everything I've heard, everything I've read, every pundit and talking head have not said anything about how she would do as a Commander of our military.
My question I present to everyone here is the in the subject line: Can she fight?
I don't want to hear about how McCain is great blah blah, it is very likely he won't be around for 4 years.
I don't want to hear about how much worse off we would be with Obama in there.
I want to know how Palin can be a good strong military leader if McCain dies.
The dems have a valid argument when they say she's a heartbeat away from the presidency.
So what will she do with our country if she has to run it?
- Flamberge
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How would anyone know? She's been the governor of Alaska for about two minutes and, before that, was the mayor of a town about the size of a shopping mall.
Well, that's 2 minutes and one shopping mall more than Obama has ever been in charge of.
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This is the first time I've ever seen a VICE presidential candidate get so much critical review. Can you imagine what this would be when Kerry/Edwards was running. Could Edwards fight? WE know that Kerry was one of the baby killer Vietnam vets, so he could fight.
She looks like one tough MILF, although a very unknown one for those of the lower 48.
That's because McCain is 72 and frail, and might get hired as into the most stressful job on the planet. If the man dies, I want to know that the person next in line can do the job from a national defense standpoint - just as I said in my first post.
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Exactly. It doesn't prove that she's too inexperienced for the job, it proves that she isn't a politician who had the life goal of running the country. Does anyone except former VPs really know what a vice president does?
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I haven't enough information to be against Palin as a person but... Good Lord... she didn't even know what the VP did until a few weeks ago:
I would bet dollars to doughnuts that was taken out of context. First because her sentence was cut midstream and second because I detected a hint of sarcasm in her voice.
Jim
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How would anyone know? She's been the governor of Alaska for about two minutes.
That's one minute longer than Obama has been in the senate. He's been there for 142 days total.
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before that, was the mayor of a town about the size of a shopping mall.
Those are some BMF Shopping Malls ya got there in Mishawaka!
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She's a Christian and likes guns and Ron Paul.
I like Ron Paul too. He's totally insane but I love the guy. What's your point? She will make decisions based on her character and conscience..kinda like the rest of us do.
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I haven't enough information to be against Palin as a person but... Good Lord... she didn't even know what the VP did until a few weeks ago:
Joke Jeremiah. J O K E. Of course she knows what the VP does. She was being glib. The VP is a pretty boring job. You basically sit around the Senate banging the gavel occassionally waiting for the President to kick the bucket.
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Whatever. Vote for whoever you want. That's what makes this country great but I don't see this obvious political gimmick of McCain's as anything but politics and pandering to women. Just my opinion.
If it were pandering to women he would have chosen a solar power pro-choice urbanite with a maxed-out Mastercard.
He choose a card carrying NRA mother of 5 who is pro life and loves to drill for oil. If he is pandering to ANYONE it is the conservative right, not women.
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If it were pandering to women he would have chosen a solar power pro-choice urbanite with a maxed-out Mastercard.
He choose a card carrying NRA mother of 5 who is pro life and loves to drill for oil. If he is pandering to ANYONE it is the conservative right, not women.
Damn Straight!!! I'm proof. Picking her is how he hooked me. Since I have now been pandered to, does that make me a slut?
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My question I present to everyone here is the in the subject line: Can she fight?
I don't want to hear about how McCain is great blah blah, it is very likely he won't be around for 4 years.
So what will she do with our country if she has to run it?
- Flamberge
McCain won't be around for 4 years? Dang, you've got some interesting inside information there. Anything to confirm that?
As the head of the Alaska National Guard, she already has more leadership experience than her counterpart in Senator Biden. Though I am not in any way promoting anyone's untimely demise, I do think both Senator Obama and Senator McCain will be around for quite a while. I could ask the same question of Senator Biden, what would he do if for some reason he took the lead.
I'm still investigating the Governor but, so far I haven't found anything that is damning. Yeah, I've seen a bunch of sexist and political BS remarks but, depending what side of the line you're on, that can be unfortunately be expected.
Ron
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As the head of the Alaska National Guard, she already has more leadership experience than her counterpart in Senator Biden. Though I am not in any way promoting anyone's untimely demise, I do think both Senator Obama and Senator McCain will be around for quite a while. I could ask the same question of Senator Biden, what would he do if for some reason he took the lead.
The scary thought here is that what happens if Biden dies in office. Obama gets to choose his successor!
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McCain won't be around for 4 years? Dang, you've got some interesting inside information there. Anything to confirm that?
The only inside information I have is that 72 isn't exactly wet behind the ears, he's had skin cancer numerous times, and stress has negative effects on aging and general health - and the office of POTUS is arguably the most stressful job there is. I'm not saying he will die, I'm just saying his odds are better than someone who is young enough to be his son or daughter.
I agree with most of your post though, Ron.
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Originally posted by Flamberge: The only inside information I have is that 72 isn't exactly wet behind the ears, he's had skin cancer numerous times, and stress has negative effects on aging and general health - and the office of POTUS is arguably the most stressful job there is. I'm not saying he will die, I'm just saying his odds are better than someone who is young enough to be his son or daughter.
I agree with most of your post though, Ron.
- Flamberge
Understood, no offense intended or taken, I was simply addressing the question and asking another. Although Senator Obama is a very good speaker, I sincerely believe that Senator Clinton has more Testosterone coursing through her veins that he does and there is no doubt in my mind that Governor Palin is tougher and a better leader than either one of them. She's been elected to leadership/top positions within government several times and has successfully demonstrated her abilities to lead. Senator McCain has demonstrated his leadership ability in the military and in public office.
Though I don't agree with Senator Biden's politics, he has been around a long time and he is IMO, a better qualified candidate for the Dems to run for POTUS than Senator Obama. But, I don't think he's electable to that position.
Ron
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Palin also believes marriage should be between 1 man and 1 woman, yet she vetoed a law saying as much because it was unconstitutional. I like someone who has personal convictions to guide their decision, but doesn't necessarily try to legislate those convictions to the rest of the country.
That doesn't really go along with how well she can fight, other than she comes across as someone who knows how to get the job done and that you sometimes have to make tough decisions that you may find personally objectionable.
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I can't stand Biden because he has a punch me face
"Eddie Haskell is nothing short of an operator. He's all talk and attitude—in other words, a real creep. Eddie's the kind of guy that everyone sees through, except Eddie. He's as oily in his politeness to adults as he is weaselly in his dealings with his peers. Eddie sticks like glue to popular Wally, although they couldn't be more different. Fortunately for the Cleavers, Wally is wise to Eddie's games, and as June once said, "if it weren't for Eddie, who would we blame Wally's faults on?"
That is the face of a woman who is pretty fearless.
