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"If you have sex with a robot-I'm leaving you! .? ? ? by maryjane
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In 2050, your lover may be a ... robot by Alix Rijckaert
Sun Jun 15, 1:51 AM ET



MAASTRICHT, Netherlands (AFP) - Romantic human-robot relationships are no longer the stuff of science fiction -- researchers expect them to become reality within four decades.

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And they do not mean simply, mechanical sex.

"I am talking about loving relationships about 40 years from now," David Levy, author of the book "Love + sex with robots", told AFP at an international conference held last week at the University of Maastricht in the south-east of the country.

"... when there are robots that have also emotions, personality, consciousness. They can talk to you, they can make you laugh. They can ... say they love you just like a human would say 'I love you', and say it as though they mean it ..."

Robots as sex toys should already be on the market within five years, predicted Levy, "a sort of an upgrade of the sex dolls on sale now".

These would have electronic speech and sensors that make them utter "nice sounds" when a human caresses their "erogenous zones".

But to build robots as real partners would take a bit longer, with conversation skills being the main obstacle for developers.

Scientists were working on artificial personality, emotion and consciousness, said Levy, and some robots already appear lifelike.

"But for loving relationships -- that is something completely different. In loving relationships there are many more things that are important. And the most difficult of all is conversation.

"You want your robot to be able to talk to you about what is interesting to you. You want a partner who has some similar interest to you, who talks to you in a manner that pleases you, who has a similar sense of humour to you."

The field of human-computer conversation is crucial to building robots with whom humans could fall in love, but is lagging behind other areas of development, said the author.

"I am sure it will (happen.) In 40 years ... perhaps sooner. You will find robots, conversation partners, that will talk to you and you will get as much pleasure from it as talking to another human. I am sure of it."

Levy's bombshell thesis, whose publication has had a ripple-effect way beyond the scientific community, gives rise to a number of complicated ethical and relationship questions.

British scholar Dylan Evans pointed out the paradox inherent to any relationship with a robot.

"What is absolutely crucial to the sentiment of love, is the belief that the love is neither unconditional nor eternal.

"Robots cannot choose you, they cannot reject you. That could become very boring, and one can imagine the human becoming cruel against his defenseless partner", said Evans.

A robot could conceivably be programmed with a will of its own and the ability to reject his human partner, he said, "but that would be a very difficult robot to sell".

Some warn against being overhasty.

"Let us not exaggerate the possibilities!" said Dutch researcher Vincent Wiegel of the Technological University of the eastern town of Delft.

"Today, the artificial intelligence we are able to create is that of a child of one year of age."

But Levy is unyielding. He is convinced it will happen, and predicts many societal benefits.

"There are many millions of people in the world who have nobody. They might be shy or they might have some psychological hang-ups or psycho-sexual hang-ups, they might have personality problems, they might be ugly ...

"There will always be many millions of people who cannot make normal satisfactory relationships with humans, and for them the choice is not: 'would I prefer a relationship with a human or would I prefer a relationship with a robot?' -- the choice is no relationship at all or a relationship with a robot."

They might even become human-to-human relationship savers, he predicted.

"Certainly there will be some existing human-human relationships where one partner might say to the other partner: 'if you have sex with a robot I'm leaving you'.

"There will be others who say: 'when you go on your business trip please take your robot because I happen to worry about the red light district'."

 
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But to build robots as real partners would take a bit longer, with conversation skills being the main obstacle for developers.


No No No No No!! That's where they'll screw up the whole thing!!

Now, a flat head with a built in drink holder might not be a bad idea.......
(I know---that's tacky.)
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Though, I'm 100% in agreement with you Don, a on/off switch would be nice.

Hey, it's Father's Day, cut me some slack.

Ron
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Originally posted by blackrams:

Though, I'm 100% in agreement with you Don, a on/off switch would be nice.

Hey, it's Father's Day, cut me some slack.

Ron


Happy Father's Day, Ron--and to everyone else!!
Shipped your slave cylinder Friday. UPS ground.

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You mean like this?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092746/



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Nerds the world over are jumping for joy.
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I wouldn't be surprised, some 'sick' people today do things like this. Like a lot of things in society, over time it will become accepted as normal.


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"What do you want to do? PHILLIP J FRY?"


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The first problem I see is the cost, most people that could afford one don't have problems finding people to fill their fantasies.
I don't see this replacing a real person. Just another "love toy" for those that can afford it, put it in the seat next to them in the lambo just to see peoples reactions.
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Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:

The first problem I see is the cost, most people that could afford one don't have problems finding people to fill their fantasies.


Do you know what computer engineers make?!?

Im not lonely and antisocial, but Ive worked with a lot of people who were....

 
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Shipped your slave cylinder Friday. UPS ground.


See, some people in the forum are allready using robo-erotica

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Originally posted by 86GT3.4DOHC:


See, some people in the forum are allready using robo-erotica

He asked for it---I sent it.
What he uses it for is none of my business.
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Any reply will simply encourage you sick puppies.

Don might have stated that this is an 88 Getrag Clutch Slave Cylinder. No more, no less.

Sick, sick, sick. Funny, but sick as hell.

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Originally posted by maryjane:
Happy Father's Day, Ron--and to everyone else!!
Shipped your slave cylinder Friday. UPS ground.



Thanks, on both counts. Based on the previous posts, it's still in "new" condition, isn't it?

Or did you try it out?

Details are not necessary in this situation.

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It'll just be an evolution of sex dolls and toys now available.
Some people use them as toys or objects of a fetish, but there's also a market for realistic love dolls for people unable to have a "normal" relationship for various reasons. Some live and work in isolated environments (remote science stations, etc.) Maybe send one up to the space station?

Also, some people due to physical handicap or infirmity are unable to have a normal relationship. Others have emotional or social issues that prevent them from developing normal relationships.

There are many uses that could be considered "therapeutic" and not just sick perversion. But it takes all kinds, I guess.

Mimicing emotion and personality - that's cool. A natural evolution of AI, but consciousness? That's a bit of a stretch.
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Originally posted by blackrams:

Don might have stated that this is an 88 Getrag Clutch Slave Cylinder. No more, no less.


So you're saying it's submissive?
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Okay, were do I sign-up for one, hehe. I want one just like in the movie, "Blade Runner," you know the brunette who thought she was a real human (until Harrison Ford told she isn't real honey) and not the cart wheel blonde with the attitude of "wanting to destroy all humans" with her crushing thighs; you can turn her off.

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I can see it being used just for the HOV lane.

Ron

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Originally posted by maryjane:

Now, a flat head with a built in drink holder might not be a bad idea.......



I originally thought you said "dink holder". Seemed appropriate!

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I can see it being used just for the HOV lane.

Ron



Like this guy??


http://www.thedenverchannel.../6468593/detail.html
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Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:

The first problem I see is the cost, most people that could afford one don't have problems finding people to fill their fantasies.
I don't see this replacing a real person. Just another "love toy" for those that can afford it, put it in the seat next to them in the lambo just to see peoples reactions.


People that can afford it do spend stupid amounts on 'fantasy toys' and 'appliances', so i don't see that being a factor. Ever seen a realdoll ? They are not cheap ( warning, if you go look it up, its **not** safe for work or with kids around )


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Has this been taken before the California Supreme Court yet? I'm sure it won't be long before you can marry your mechanical doll.

Ron

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What ever happened to a latest issue of Hustler and a bottle of lotion?

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Originally posted by blackrams:

Has this been taken before the California Supreme Court yet? I'm sure it won't be long before you can marry your mechanical doll.

Ron


In the not too distant future a robot doll will have better health care coverage than most children in his counrty.
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In the not too distant future a robot doll will have better health care coverage than most children in his counrty.


Just like Dog and Cats do now, right?

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Originally posted by Wichita:

What ever happened to a latest issue of Hustler and a bottle of lotion?


I have seen the real dolls, I think they will be as close to the robots as a commodore 64 and an 8 way quad core p4 system with 64 gigs of ram.
My wife doesn't like Hustler.
I think virtual reality will probably take over with some human interface devices before we start seeing robots in our homes.
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It will happen first in Japan.

DO NOT OPEN AT WORK OR WITH CHILDREN AROUND, STARTS TOO MANY QUESTIONS.
http://www.dolldataroom.org/main.html

Not pwron but, very creepy.

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Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:
I think virtual reality will probably take over with some human interface devices before we start seeing robots in our homes.


Just take the little blue pill and you'll be fine.

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Originally posted by Wichita:

What ever happened to a latest issue of Hustler and a bottle of lotion?


And they say romance is dead.
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Geeks over the world, rejoice. There's a chance that even you can get laid now!
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The start of the Cylon race starts as a $ex toy.... where can I pickup my Number 6 model?

I guess Battlestar Galactica isnt too far fetched.....
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Originally posted by maryjane:


"... when there are robots that have also emotions, personality, consciousness.



........SkyNet became self aware in 1997..............

These things will eventually take half your stuff once they "evolve". What else could the next step be?




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Originally posted by maryjane:

But to build robots as real partners would take a bit longer, with conversation skills being the main obstacle for developers.



Conversation skills??? When did that ever matter? (Or maybe this is in reference to the male version of the robot.)
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Originally posted by Marvin McInnis:


Conversation skills??? When did that ever matter? (Or maybe this is in reference to the male version of the robot.)


men would be replaced. since i bet they'll last longer than 2 minutes...
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Originally posted by madcurl:

Okay, were do I sign-up for one, hehe. I want one just like in the movie, "Blade Runner," you know the brunette who thought she was a real human (until Harrison Ford told she isn't real honey) and not the cart wheel blonde with the attitude of "wanting to destroy all humans" with her crushing thighs; you can turn her off.



Strangely I have never actually watched this movie, and I've watched quite a few. I did just recently acquire it on Blu-Ray though, so maybe I will watch it now so I can find out what the near future holds
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Originally posted by Gecko:

Strangely I have never actually watched this movie, and I've watched quite a few. I did just recently acquire it on Blu-Ray though, so maybe I will watch it now so I can find out what the near future holds



Gecko, you're in for a treat. This is a great movie, one of my all time favorites. The sets are fantastic, and Harrison Ford is terrific, as usual.

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They'd probably still cheat on you..
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C'mon, Marvin, how much programming skill can it take to get it to say "Bring me a beer and a cigarette."?

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Conversation skills??? When did that ever matter? (Or maybe this is in reference to the male version of the robot.)


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... how much programming skill can it take to get it to say "Bring me a beer and a cigarette."?



OK ... OK. While we're at it, how about "Wanna' do it again?"
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