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Talon Opinions? by Adrift
Started on: 02-14-2002 07:16 PM
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Report this Post02-14-2002 07:16 PM Click Here to See the Profile for AdriftClick Here to visit Adrift's HomePageSend a Private Message to AdriftDirect Link to This Post
I saw a hot looking talon today, and it made me wonder... Did the talon ever come in AWD? Anyone here ever owned a Talon before? What kind of experince have you had with it?
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Report this Post02-14-2002 07:24 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Mach10Send a Private Message to Mach10Direct Link to This Post
Paper transmissions.
Almost exclusively railed on by owners who push them too hard, too long, too fast... Motors are tough, but not THAT tough... You'll be hard pressed to find a Turbo in decent mechanical condition, even less-so an NA. Decently FAST car, but high-maintenance.
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I agree with Mach. THey are very costly to maintain, but are quite fast. And yes they did come with AWD. He is also right about the transmisions, they don't usually last past 100kms. I'd stay away, they are usually overpriced, and you can find a better car for that price (especially the 95+)
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They look nice, and can run a 5.9 0-60...once.

...And that's exactly what they were designed to do.

Don't waste your money.

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Interesting topic. I've had 2 DSM's in the past and currently have a third right now. I've had excellent luck with them and do not believe what the previous members above have said about this.
I don't think that they are high maintainance at all, just the usual oil change every 3k mi and such, nothing special. Be sure to change the timing belt every 60k mi, and you'll be fine with it.
My first car was a 90 Eclipse N/T. Jackass ran me off the road and into a tree, car totalled. Bought a second one, a 94 Talon N/T. Had it forever, and wanted a fiero, so I sold it after putting 40k easy miles on it. The one I have now is an Eclipse GSX, all wheel drive turbocharged.
The turbocharged DSMs have a lot more potential than you guys are willing to give. The motor in stock form is capable of 400HP, no upgrades needed, just bolt on a huge turbo and you're set. Anything over that and you'd be pushing it.
The 5.9 second 0-60 time TRiAD gave, in stock form, I don't believe could be achievable. More around high six's. In my dealer brochure, it says that the 1994 Eagle Talon TSi (awd turbo) will go 0-60-0 mph in 11.67 seconds. I'll agree with it =)

And, let me just throw in here, that if you know what you're looking for, it's NOT a waste of money. Happy Valentine's Day.

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Report this Post02-14-2002 10:26 PM Click Here to See the Profile for AdriftClick Here to visit Adrift's HomePageSend a Private Message to AdriftDirect Link to This Post
Any idea how it handles in snow?
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My fiero is hibernating right now so i am driving my 93 talon DL non-turbo, i have complety bald tires in the front and it drives nice on the snow cept the occasional 'pakin brake slides' , the trannys are pretty muck crap though i have a 5spd and havnt had much problems and dont plan to 'hoping' yes they do have a AWD turbo TSI

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I had a Talon TSI (thats the model you want, Turbo AWD). They really are a fair bit of maintance (preventative that is. Tbelt, Balance Belt, Tensioner, Water pump) should be done every 100kms and runs around 1000 bucks Canadian including labour. And you really dont want anyone but the dealer working on the tbelt because a little mistake is costly!.

They are tons of fun. Really nice interiors, great in the snow and the rain.

Here is a link to my old talon site.
http://www.globalserve.net/~kesik

as well , here is a canadian forum just for DSM'S (Talons) , with a pretty good Forum (not nearly as good as here though!).
http://ca.dsm.org


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Report this Post02-14-2002 11:12 PM Click Here to See the Profile for TRiADSend a Private Message to TRiADDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by kempo:
Interesting topic. I've had 2 DSM's in the past and currently have a third right now. I've had excellent luck with them and do not believe what the previous members above have said about this.
I don't think that they are high maintainance at all, just the usual oil change every 3k mi and such, nothing special. Be sure to change the timing belt every 60k mi, and you'll be fine with it.
The turbocharged DSMs have a lot more potential than you guys are willing to give. The motor in stock form is capable of 400HP, no upgrades needed, just bolt on a huge turbo and you're set. Anything over that and you'd be pushing it.
The 5.9 second 0-60 time TRiAD gave, in stock form, I don't believe could be achievable. More around high six's. In my dealer brochure, it says that the 1994 Eagle Talon TSi (awd turbo) will go 0-60-0 mph in 11.67 seconds. I'll agree with it =)

And, let me just throw in here, that if you know what you're looking for, it's NOT a waste of money. Happy Valentine's Day.


I GTeched a STOCK Eclipse GSX (AWD Turbo, the same car as the Talon TSi AWD) at 5.9 0-60. I was driving. We ran it agian to see if we could do it again, and the clutch disintegrated.

I have had no less than 3 friends with NA Eclipses/Talons who destroyed trannies with less than 30K on them. One friend in particular, who was a devout DSMite, destroyed 3 trannies in a row, each at roughly 30K before moving on to a real car (his words). The dealership he had replacing the trannies is who sold him his non-DSM, they were tired of replacing trannies. I have a pic somewhere of their shop floor with 5 blown-apart trannies on it at once. All these cars came in within a week of eachother. This is NOT in some big city, Peoria only has 150K population.

...And I never said you couldn't get GOBS of power out of the engines...jsut that they don't make a tranny (or driveshafts, or CV joints) that will hold it.
There's a reason THE #1 upgrade for NIRA DSMs is aftermarket (read; STRONGER) trannies, driveshafts and CV Joints. The factory equipment is junk.

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High mantinence my ass... DSM cars are awesome!! All the cars had a AWD option... all had turbo option too... I had a 97 GSX (awd turbo)... Fukin awesome car!!!! My 92 is cool too but i plan turbo it soon... Bolt on job! Just cant run as much boost. I have seen 400hp dsm's with STOCK blocks... They are really well built... The turbo engines have oil nozzles that spray the bottom of the pistons to keep them cool and the car is all around built strong engine wise. The trannys are strong BUT not strong enough to be railed on constantly! David Buscher has some of the fastest DSM cars... also does preformance parts too! Miss my gsx.. thats why im swapin the 4g63 into my Fiero!

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People... HELLO... yea beating on trannies BREAKS THEM. FWD trannys cant take hard abuse! GO beat on your damn Fiero tranny and see what happens! Myself, Moocow, and Fieromaster88 will tell you.. THEY BREAK! I have nuked 4 Fiero trannies... they cant take being beat on like that either... Diff gears everywhere.

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Never said they weren't fast as snot. But the drive-train is GARBAGE. I TOO have seen more talons at the local tranny station than about any other car.

The tranny is TRASH.

The Engine is tough as nails, but prone to failiure DUE TO ABUSE. Not to bad engineering. Hot oil, and a little punk playing raquette-ball with the redline do not a happy motor make. How many owners do you think spool down their turbos after peeling into the parking lot at 7-11?

Maybe it's differen't down south, but up here, they don't have a reputation for being garbage... More like masticated garbage. They have a reputation akin to a whipping-mule. Ever heard the expression "Flogging a dead horse?" I think they were referring to a used DSM


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If you have the means to care for it, the money to treat it nice, and a willingness to put the time and effort in it? I repeat, faster than snot.

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Triad, I didn't mean to get you going, so don't take anything personal.
I'm not wishing to start or contribute to a flame here, but I will state my opinion, as per the topic.
The cars are fantastic. They get great gas mileage, and from my experience, my FWD Talon handles great in the snow, better than a lot of other things, and I can't wait to test the AWD in the snow, should be fun.
I've never heard of this tranny problem before, only usual maintainance including the timing belt and oil changes and such are required to keep these cars moving. They are pretty quick, durable little cars. Like anything, if you abuse it, something will go wrong. Now I'm not doubting it, just saying that I've never seen this happen, and that I think you need to really abuse the thing to break the tranny. Sounds like your friend needed a better clutch in there, Triad

My friend has a 93 Eclipse GS and a 95 GST, while I have a 90 GSX. The cars are very good cars, again like anything, if you treat it right.
Now, Triad, how in the heck did you get it to go 0-60 in under 6 seconds? Not disbelieving you, but that's pretty sick for being stock!

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Ok, so I don't abuse my cars bad enough to destroy transmissions. My car sees the redline maybe once a month or less, I rev to 2000 rpms on a cold engine until it warms up completely. My usual shift point is around 3k rpm, and the turbo doesn't spool up too much. I do drive my cars when I'm in the mood to, and will have fun, but not at the expense of doing something like keeping it pegged in the redline for a solid minute. With a 7 grand tach, I've got more RPMs than I know what to do with!!
Skitime thinks my fiero is slow because I always baby it ^_^ Little does he know... heh.

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Originally posted by kempo:
Eagle Talon TSi (awd turbo) will go 0-60-0 mph in 11.67 seconds. I'll agree with it =)

my old taurus (with a Ford 3800) did a 12 sec 0-60, and I considered that pretty slow..

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Hi guys,

Just thought I'd put some fact in this discussion. Normally I don't reply to these things because it is pointless, but you guys seem to like me so here I go.

Paper transmissions? If you call putting 350hp to the wheels on a daily basis a "paper" transmission then OK. The tranny in my AWD Talon has taken a whole lot of abuse. With a 4 gear spider center diff, we (the members of Club DSM who own one of these diffs) have never broken one. What you may have heard has been something RELATIVE. It is incredibly easy to make power from these cars... and some people just shouldn't have 400hp cars if you know what I mean.

I would stay away from the 95-97 cars, they have a problem with the crank. The 90-92 cars are the most robust.

5.9sec to 60mph? I have never done that. Most of my runs to 60mph are in the low 4 sec range. Yes, I drive the car every day. If any of you drag race... I can pull off 1.6x 60' time all day long.

Snow handling is incredible. AWD + snow tires = FUN.

GTech? LOL. And, I'm not sure what he was doing to destroy 3 trannies. Again, some people shouldn't have fast cars.

CV joints? On my 94 FWD talon I used stock "small" axles (90-92) and big slicks on the front all last year.

There *ISN'T* an aftermarket, upgraded transmission. I have been in the DSM world for 6 years now. If it's the #1 upgrade, it's news to me.

And lastly, can your Taurus go 0-60 and back to zero in under 12 sec?

Anyway, stock numbers mean nothing in these cars. Like I said, it is incredible easy to get power out of them. For a tranny that was designed for a 200hp car, it sure takes 400+hp pretty well.

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Originally posted by zedder24:
...Paper transmissions? If you call putting 350hp to the wheels on a daily basis a "paper" transmission then OK...What you may have heard has been something RELATIVE...

My info is from personal and friend's experiences, NOT "heard".

 
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...It is incredibly easy to make power from these cars... and some people just shouldn't have 400hp cars if you know what I mean...

I never said it wasn't.

 
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...5.9sec to 60mph? I have never done that. Most of my runs to 60mph are in the low 4 sec range...

Read my post. I was quoting STOCK time. This is a time I personally ran in a stock Eclipse. He asked for info, I was giving him my experiences.

 
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...GTech? LOL. And, I'm not sure what he was doing to destroy 3 trannies. Again, some people shouldn't have fast cars...

This is why DSM people have trouble on open forums. You guys are all about DSM is the ONLY way to go, etc. You'd be better off having an open mind.

Read my POST! I said I ran the 0-60 in a GSX, my friend who was going through trannies had a NA GS.
If you would pay attention to what opther people were saying instead of being all closed-minded maybe you could stay on topic.

Sorry if this sounds harsh, but I'm sick of suddenly everyone in the world who owns a DSM thinking they're some kind of "better than everyone else" eliteist and talking down to everyone else. You guys do this on every forum youre on, and it gets old for everyone else. I for one am tired of listening to it.

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Report this Post02-15-2002 11:34 AM Click Here to See the Profile for zedder24Click Here to visit zedder24's HomePageSend a Private Message to zedder24Direct Link to This Post
Thanks for the feedback.

You ran a stock clutch (with who knows how many miles) as hard as you could with an AWD car once. The clutch blew, and you claimed they were designed to do that based on that experience. Then you spoke about non-turbo cars which are totally different from the turbo cars. Furthermore, you used a GTech. Then you called ME stupid.

Come on... the #1 upgrade for NIRA DSMs is aftermark trannies. That pretty much tells me you know squat.

I never said a DSM is the only way to go. I own 2 DSMs, one which I race and one which I drive during the winter. I also own a turbo MR2, a Chevy Z71 pickup and the 87GT. I recently sold my 85GT which I used to drive everywhere. So I'm not sure what has gotten you into an uproar.

If anyone would like any info on these cars, feel free to email me. I also know lots about other cars too.

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whatever. you'll never listen. all hail the 2.0 turbo.

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Hmm not wanting to get into this mess too much but a little FYI for anyone intrested. Theres a guy running at Alamo draway with a "Stock" 94 Eclipse Turbo, manual trans, well except he has an air-raid intake and 17" rims. Hes been running 14 and even a few high 13s at the track. dont have exact numbers but he smoked a cobra (probably stock but aftermarket exhaust) last friday night. and i do know they can be hopped, because his older brother is running a 98 GSX with an GREDDY and hes got a a dyno sheet that puts him at 425hp. Hes been running 11s every time. Both of them make at least 8-10 runs a night (Wed, Friday and Saturday). So I know theyre trannies aint "paper" Heck the GSX is DRIVEN! to the track each time and hes driving it from 120 miles away LOL

Just my lil bit of info.

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probably 16 seconds 0-60-0... we sold the car in november, so I can't exactly test it.

sometime I'll do a test run in my dad's new car, it's a bit faster than our old taurus. (only a 20hp increase, but you can really feel it.)

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Look what I started! Wow!
Anyways, the DSM looks like the car from me, sounds pretty phat. I've got one problem with the styling though - is there any way to get rid of the words "TALON" written accross the back/change the tail light types? That's the only thing that really bothered me about the design/
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Why does everyone equate FAST with QUALITY?

DSM = Fast
DSM = Unreliable.

IMHO, based on experiences with friends, family and loved-ones.

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Triad... Mr. magazine road test believing a GTEC?

When i said I got 6.54 to 60 in my 4spd GT without the NOS on a GTEC you said that the GTEC is unreliable and asked me if I used it right, Even though Fierolisa was in the car to witness it! Funny how the GTEC supoorts your claims , but when it comes to anyone else it's inaccurate.

A lot of you guys believe a lot of Hoopla! All you have to do is change this and this and you have 700hp! I have a friend with a low 12 sec 96 Talon , it has been featured in Turbo mag twice now. He is putting down 375 to the wheels and 420 at the flywheel. i can tell you he did a lot more than just bolt a few things on. I spent the holidays helping a friend put a 16G on his talon , replacing the timing chain and a few other things, The car has 60,000 miles on it , needed a new turbo and he paid $1400 Canadian for it. Now the clutch is going.
Great car , fun to drive , handoles like a shopping Cart. Better for straight line than a track , it tends to burn up brakes quite a bit.

I can't believe the degree of Mis information some people believe in gerneral on this forum. The internet is a great medium for information , but it's also an open forum so don't believe everything you read.

You don't need to swap the turbo on a talon to get into the 11's , I'm no Talon expert by any strech of the imagination , but I have been a subscriber of Turbo for 5 or 6 years now.


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Originally posted by Slammed Fiero:
Triad... Mr. magazine road test believing a GTEC?

When i said I got 6.54 to 60 in my 4spd GT without the NOS on a GTEC you said that the GTEC is unreliable and asked me if I used it right, Even though Fierolisa was in the car to witness it! Funny how the GTEC supoorts your claims , but when it comes to anyone else it's inaccurate....

Hey, go read that old thread. I NEVER said the GTech (spell it right) was unreliable.
I may have said it will give you a different time at the track if you run it simultaneous to the timing equipment, and this is bacause of reaction time. With a GTech, you always have perfect reaction time, since it begins counting when you begin moving.

You're fast to flame, but slow to confirm your information. I expect an apology when you prove yourself wrong by reading the old thread.

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I may have said it will give you a different time at the track if you run it simultaneous to the timing equipment, and this is bacause of reaction time.

Sorry, I have to correct this. Have you been to a track? Reaction time is never factored into your end result time. I could sit at the light for 30 seconds and still run a 12 second quarter mile time. The track officials and other folks there might not appreciate it though!

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I'm not sure if this varies from track to track, but this is how;
1) Tesla electronics (makers of GTech Pro)
2) Auto mags testing it
3) Track facilitator at the last 1/4 mile I attended

...all explained it.

Somehow, I trust them over you, no offense.

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a friend has a 90 talon all it has is,
exhaust, big 16G and adj. boost controler
g-tech says 14.2 in the 1/4
but thats at 18lbs of boost which really isnt too streetable but it sure is fun

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Sorry, I have to correct this. Have you been to a track? Reaction time is never factored into your end result time. I could sit at the light for 30 seconds and still run a 12 second quarter mile time.
Greg

You must have been running Time Trials or Test and Tune, because reaction time does count... Ever run the quarter in eliminations? You don't want to be sitting there for 30 seconds!

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Originally posted by TRiAD:
I have had no less than 3 friends with NA Eclipses/Talons who destroyed trannies with less than 30K on them.

My brother has a '95 NA Talon and he wails on it day and night. The Talon has 148,000 km on it and the only thing he's had to change besides tires, was the timing belt.

Anybody still waiting for an apology?

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No way! MINE is bigger!!! I mean, even ask my girlfriend...it's HUGE!!! There's no way yours is bigger...

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. I've got one problem with the styling though - is there any way to get rid of the words "TALON" written accross the back/change the tail light types? That's the only thing that really bothered me about the design/

Yep....buy an Eclipse!

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There's no mitsubishis available here in Canada! (Well there are a handful, but they are pretty rare... Mitsubishi doesn't sell cars in Canada)
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Then there you go! Import one from the states, and you can have a one of a kind!
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There's no mitsubishis available here in Canada! (Well there are a handful, but they are pretty rare... Mitsubishi doesn't sell cars in Canada)

Hey Ari, There is a dealership on the Lakeshore in Etobicoke near my work called Eclipse Auto. He imports 3 or 4 of them a week. Thats all he sells. I was down there in August and he had two Spyders that were gorgeous. I had never seen a convertible eclipse before. Very Sweet.

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The Eclipse is my favorite! I love the tail lights, wing and rims better than the talon!
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Originally posted by banditbalz:
My brother has a '95 NA Talon and he wails on it day and night. The Talon has 148,000 km on it and the only thing he's had to change besides tires, was the timing belt.

Anybody still waiting for an apology?

Why do people insinst on being ignorant every chance they get?

The "apology" issue was about him saying I said the GTech was inaccurate. I never did.

You don't read posts completely, do you?
Time for foot removal surgery.

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Originally posted by TRiAD:
Why do people insinst on being ignorant every chance they get?

The "apology" issue was about him saying I said the GTech was inaccurate. I never did.

You don't read posts completely, do you?
Time for foot removal surgery.

Triad, I have gotten 4 emails now from people that say your coming across as an ass. You act like a know it all , always spouting magazine facts and articles as bible , but when someone posts their own #'s you disagree. I will appologize for the GTEC thing , sorry about the spelling too I didn't know this was a grammar forum , but becuase you have a lot of old issues of road and track , and some doctored Picture of a fiero that doesn't exist doesn't make you an authority. I have seen banditBalz's brother Talon , he does drive it hard , more than likley harder than either George (bandit) or I would drive a Fiero. he has had no problems with the car. George isn't ignorant at all, I giggle when people dispute Georges claims , you can tell the people who really know him , and who have never met him. He doesn't say much , doesn't BS til the cows come home , but when he says something it's believable (ie his stock GT knocking on the door of 14's). I'm not singling out anyone , but the forum seems to be rampid with magazine and bench racers...

"Im gonna get"
"It's Gonna Run"
"My dads Friend has this"
"One time I..."

Ect Ect.


For the most part it's good for a laugh. I espically like it when people who haven't owned a Fiero for very long figure they know it all. I have been on mailing lists for the last 7 years , I was a co-Founder in the Fiero racing list with Cadero2Dmax , I don't claim to know it all , I try to help where I can and leave the bench racing out of it. Ask any of the REAL racers on the Racing list , I have picked their brains clean for ideas and I attribute the level of performance of my car on an autocross course not to my own knowledge , but to those who have helped me.

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Slammed, why do people email YOU when they have a problem with ME?
Makes no sense at all.

I don't see where posting times from a magazine makes me a "know it all". People post things their friends told them, things they "think" they remember, things they have actually done...I don't see where offering one more perspective should cause anyone a problem. Maybe the proplr with a problem with that should examine their own lives, quit worrying about mine, and try to see why such a trivial thing would bother them. Sounds like ego problems to me.

The fact that I own old magazines only means I have a nice resource for times someone got while testing, and (if you read between the lines) that I've been doing this a long time.
The fact that the pic I have posted in my sig at the moment is photoshopped means nothing. Nothing at all. My car looks very plain at the moment, and I prefer the look of what I am trying to do with it. The fact that you chose to try to use a silly edited picture to assassinate my character says nothing good about you.

The fact that someone has a Talon and drives it hard is meaningless as well. It only means he has had a different experience than some of us. YOU seem to think it means HE's right, and everyone else is wrong. THAT is what I would call "coming across as an @ss, and a know-it-all".
I did NOT call him ignorant for claiming to have a different experience or opinion, but for purposely trying to flame me with something I posted, by taking it out of context. Had he READ my post, and not acted like I needed some apology for someone's opinion (which I do NOT), I would not have called him ignorant, which he WAS being.

I could care less that you have been around a long time, I would have hoped that would mean you (and your all-knowing friends) would handle yourselves (and differences of opinions) with more tact.

I have N E V E R made a claim on a car I had not actually accomplished, and never will. I have NO IDEA where you get off acting like I'm some trash-talking r!cer claiming my car can outrun Ferarris or something.

I am VERY disappointed (as usual, when concerning r!cer DSM guys) with the level of immaturity and closed mindedness in this thread, and increasingly on this forum.

I am entitled to my opinion, and to state my experiences, just like anyone else here. If you want to disagree or even try to prove them wrong, that's fine, but do it with tact, and make sure the statements you're replying to actually have anything to do with your reply. TWICE in this thread, people have tried to FLAME me with something I said by taking it out of context. It's just stupid.

If you're a co-founder on the racing list, I'm glad I have chosen to read and not post there. I'd only get flamed constantly.
Hell, it only took you guys 3 stinking months to sign me up. Someone really must know how to run it well.

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Adrift, if you don't like the Talon lettering you can switch an Eclipse or Aftermarket rear assembly/fascia on it.

For people that know all about DSMs, go here -
www.dsmtalk.com www.clubdsm.com www.2gnt.com

DSMTalk and 2Gnt both have really good forums. DSMTalk has a forum dedicated specifically to body mods, you should find anything you need there... I think they could help a little more than people on a fiero forum (no offence) .


P.S. I own a 86 fiero 2m4 and a 95 Talon ESi... Their both reliable although the Talon drives alot better, and has more power w/ higher redline... I would definately recommend it, although if you want real speed go for the AWD TSi, it costs around 2,500 to turbo an ESi.

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Originally posted by TRiAD:
You don't read posts completely, do you?
Time for foot removal surgery.

You a proctoligist as well?

Read posts completely? Uhmm, skim through them would be more accurate. Being a newlywed I don't seem to have the time to sit in front of my computer 24-7


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Originally posted by banditbalz:
...Read posts completely? Uhmm, skim through them would be more accurate. Being a newlywed I don't seem to have the time to sit in front of my computer 24-7...

Newlywed? Hehe, I BET you don't have time...
Not being on all the time is probably better on the relationship too.

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