Beginning to love Indiana. I got pulled over in a car that was illegal in every way possible and only paid $450 in fines. No insurance, unregistered, I hadn't even signed the title yet, illegal tint, tires considered unsafe, etc. I guess the midwest is the place to be huh?

quote Originally posted by dn69141: Welcome to the "change".

You're insinuating that the price of a ticket in California somehow has something to do with the Obama administration?

It would appear that some of you have had just a hair too much Fox News kool-aid and have forgotten about the eight years prior to the new administration taking over.

Now before you go thinkin', "Great, another liberal douchebag", I'm neither democrat nor republican. I'm an American. I've been in the Army for eleven years and will be for another nine. I like mom and apple pie. I live in New York but the south is my true home and where I will take my final rest. I'm an aetheist and firmly believe that if you want religion intermingled with your government, then move to Iran. Their religion IS their government. This country was NOT founded on christian principles. The Founding Fathers were all Freemasons and believed, not in God, but in a Supreme Being. I like trees and I believe in clean energy. I like the sound of a bored-out 396 in a Chevelle. I'd like to feed a full metal jacket sandwich to the next ***hole that sponsors a gun control law, cause everyone knows that the only people affected by gun control laws are law-abiding people. I firmly believe in the soverign, or unalienable rights of man as stated in the Declaration of Independence. These include the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of hapiness. If being married to a member of the same sex makes you happy, then what you do behind closed doors is none of my or anyone else's business. And lastly, I believe that the homeless man under the bridge is no less American than the Almighty Bill Gates himself. To provide every last American with quality, affordable healthcare makes you, not a communist, but a humanist and a patriot. But socializing the maliciously accrued debts of the very banks that cost millions of my fellow Americans their jobs, homes, and retirements, degrades every last American taxpayer to nothing more than a feeder species designed to keep the wealthy alive when they f**k up and go broke. I believe that those who refuse to let go of the mindset of "me, me, me" should be escorted to the nearest border and "encouraged" with the muzzle of an M-16 to leave and not come back. As for me, I will continue to shovel the snow from my neighbor's walk when he is ill, fix the car for the single mother down the street, mow the yard for the elderly man in the wheelchair, and pay my taxes so that when a man I've never met, in a town I've never been, loses his job because his employer's insurance premiums went up by 39%, he can rest easy knowing that he won't lose everything he's busted his knuckles for because good Americans like me did their fair share to make certain no one is left behind.

I tell you what. You can dislike Obama all you want. But no one with more than two brain cells rolling around in their head can deny the fiscal irresponsibility of the Bush administration. The deregulation of the financial industry was almost a fatal blow to our economy and somehow, there are still those who kneel before Bush and call him a hero. To me and many others, he is nothing more than a common criminal and should be in prison with his cronies; Cheney, Rice, and Rumsfeld.

You can hate Obama all you want; he's the easy target. But everyone around you knows that deep down, your frustrations lie in the fact that your political party dishonored and failed this country in the worst way and now a black liberal is stepping up to the plate to repair the massive amounts of damage done to America's image, infrastructure, military, foreign relations, government, and economy in the eight years Bush was in office. It was a party for eight years and the money flowed like the mighty Mississippi. Contractors flourished in Iraq and Afghanistan doing the jobs of soldiers, reducing them to no more than simple security guards. Billions and billions of unbudgeted dollars were spent to fund two wars for eight years. Individual States have been stiffed, left with the task of rebuilding their own forces. But now with the party over, the Piper has come to collect, and the Bush administration has left, not Obama, but you, me, and all of the other American taxpayers holding the bag. Obama strains against the Right to extend jobless benefits for struggling Americans and all you can think to do is bash him for the cost of a ticket in California?

Hate Obama. Call him names, and speak ill of him to your friends. Curse him, and wish evil upon him. I and many like me serve to ensure that you have that right. But DO NOT blame him for the ineptitudes and piss-poor leadership of the Bush administration. And where the tickets in California are concerned, have the balls to lay the blame at the right feet. If traffic citations weren't such a readily available source of revenue, we wouldn't be having this discussion, would we?

And that's my two Abe Lincolns.

quote Originally posted by Brocephus: You're insinuating that the price of a ticket in California somehow has something to do with the Obama administration? It would appear that some of you have had just a hair too much Fox News kool-aid and have forgotten about the eight years prior to the new administration taking over.

well written.

I'm an agnostic. As soon as someone shows me proof of God or not then I'll be an atheist or a true believer. Incredible essay. I agree.

quote Originally posted by kyunderdawg: Can someone explain this? Why this is...... Unsafe Speed, 1 to 15 miles over the limit. VC 22350 $328 and this... Parking in a bus loading area. VC 22507.8(A through C) $976 and this..... Violation of disabled parking provisions, first offense. VC 22507.8(A through C) $1876 Is more than this..... Passing a school bus with flashing red signals. VC 23123(A) $148 Is a childs life pretty much worthless out there or does CA have their priorities mixed up?

Your reading it wrong. The offense is listed after the fine.

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quote Originally posted by Brocephus: You're insinuating that the price of a ticket in California somehow has something to do with the Obama administration? It would appear that some of you have had just a hair too much Fox News kool-aid and have forgotten about the eight years prior to the new administration taking over. Now before you go thinkin', "Great, another liberal douchebag", I'm neither democrat nor republican. I'm an American. I've been in the Army for eleven years and will be for another nine. I like mom and apple pie. I live in New York but the south is my true home and where I will take my final rest. I'm an aetheist and firmly believe that if you want religion intermingled with your government, then move to Iran. Their religion IS their government. This country was NOT founded on christian principles. The Founding Fathers were all Freemasons and believed, not in God, but in a Supreme Being. I like trees and I believe in clean energy. I like the sound of a bored-out 396 in a Chevelle. I'd like to feed a full metal jacket sandwich to the next ***hole that sponsors a gun control law, cause everyone knows that the only people affected by gun control laws are law-abiding people. I firmly believe in the soverign, or unalienable rights of man as stated in the Declaration of Independence. These include the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of hapiness. If being married to a member of the same sex makes you happy, then what you do behind closed doors is none of my or anyone else's business. And lastly, I believe that the homeless man under the bridge is no less American than the Almighty Bill Gates himself. To provide every last American with quality, affordable healthcare makes you, not a communist, but a humanist and a patriot. But socializing the maliciously accrued debts of the very banks that cost millions of my fellow Americans their jobs, homes, and retirements, degrades every last American taxpayer to nothing more than a feeder species designed to keep the wealthy alive when they f**k up and go broke. I believe that those who refuse to let go of the mindset of "me, me, me" should be escorted to the nearest border and "encouraged" with the muzzle of an M-16 to leave and not come back. As for me, I will continue to shovel the snow from my neighbor's walk when he is ill, fix the car for the single mother down the street, mow the yard for the elderly man in the wheelchair, and pay my taxes so that when a man I've never met, in a town I've never been, loses his job because his employer's insurance premiums went up by 39%, he can rest easy knowing that he won't lose everything he's busted his knuckles for because good Americans like me did their fair share to make certain no one is left behind. I tell you what. You can dislike Obama all you want. But no one with more than two brain cells rolling around in their head can deny the fiscal irresponsibility of the Bush administration. The deregulation of the financial industry was almost a fatal blow to our economy and somehow, there are still those who kneel before Bush and call him a hero. To me and many others, he is nothing more than a common criminal and should be in prison with his cronies; Cheney, Rice, and Rumsfeld. You can hate Obama all you want; he's the easy target. But everyone around you knows that deep down, your frustrations lie in the fact that your political party dishonored and failed this country in the worst way and now a black liberal is stepping up to the plate to repair the massive amounts of damage done to America's image, infrastructure, military, foreign relations, government, and economy in the eight years Bush was in office. It was a party for eight years and the money flowed like the mighty Mississippi. Contractors flourished in Iraq and Afghanistan doing the jobs of soldiers, reducing them to no more than simple security guards. Billions and billions of unbudgeted dollars were spent to fund two wars for eight years. Individual States have been stiffed, left with the task of rebuilding their own forces. But now with the party over, the Piper has come to collect, and the Bush administration has left, not Obama, but you, me, and all of the other American taxpayers holding the bag. Obama strains against the Right to extend jobless benefits for struggling Americans and all you can think to do is bash him for the cost of a ticket in California? Hate Obama. Call him names, and speak ill of him to your friends. Curse him, and wish evil upon him. I and many like me serve to ensure that you have that right. But DO NOT blame him for the ineptitudes and piss-poor leadership of the Bush administration. And where the tickets in California are concerned, have the balls to lay the blame at the right feet. If traffic citations weren't such a readily available source of revenue, we wouldn't be having this discussion, would we? And that's my two Abe Lincolns.

I want to know how much business economic education you have? By reading your shallow arguments, I can easily assume you cannot read a profit/loss sheet or properly discern a company's net worth. If this discipline is too rich for you, then I know why you have no reasoning and idea on how to read the federal economic condition. Listen to someone who had years of banking experience: Get off the Bush derangement syndrome! If you believe HE is the reason why we are in this recession, do not stop hating just him, go back and also blame Andrew Jackson, Franklin Pierce, or Jimmi Carter. Obama has nothing to do with Fiero traffic fees, but he does have direct responsiblity of increasing our defict four times over what Presdident Bush enacted. How big is that? Obama has spent--that means deficit if you did not know-- more in 1 year in office, than ALL the presidents spent, together, since George Washington! This cause and effect has pushed municipalities to find ways to bridge their particular financial gap against what they used to have, and what they now have to pay. Hence, higher traffic fees to make up the difference. I can go on, obvioulsy, but if I get too technical, I will lose your focus.

Cordially,
Kevin

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quote Originally posted by kevin: Obama has nothing to do with Fiero traffic fees, but he does have direct responsiblity of increasing our defict four times over what Presdident Bush enacted. How big is that? Obama has spent--that means deficit if you did not know-- more in 1 year in office, than ALL the presidents spent, together, since George Washington!

That's more faux news crapaganda

Obama inherited 7.8 trillion from Bush who increased the debt more than all previous presidents combined. Obama has added 1.5 trillion of which only about 300B has been spent so far.

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I got one!

How about it wasn't Bush's or Obama's fault solely? Or the government?

It's all symptoms. Of americans getting fat on debt and starving of principle and integrity.
Last I checked we voted all those congressman in (you know,the ones that actually vote everything in?) and nobody has yet voted the idiots out.
Or the fact that the people we do vote in,have about the same amount of principle and integrity as their voters (hence the reason they're out for a buck).

Vote congress out,quit telling kids to go watch cartoons and teach them,Public officials shouldn't be paid,teachers shouldn't be taxed and everybody needs to quit worshipping stuff,things and the almighty dollar.

It all comes down to people,and people don't impress me too much anymore.
Most americans today have never had to fight for any kind of freedom,they just take advantage of it.
Maybe the reason none see it slipping away slowly.

Go read exactly how Austria became a dictatorship under Hitler.
It was voluntary and they danced in the streets.
Real similar situation to what's happening in america today if you disregard it being different countries.
And it's been happening for more than a single president.

DISCLAIMER: These comments are not directed at anyone personally.

You all are mistaken about Fed government spending. CONGRESS allocates every federal dollar spent, so get off of the presidents. They only spend what they are given by CONGRESS.

Sure Obama has asked for more in one year than anyone else, but the stupid Democrat controlled CONGRESS gave it to him.

Vote out your free-spending CONGRESSMEN and the deficit goes away!!! Both Demos and Repubs!!!

Have a good day.

quote Originally posted by Freshj: Reposted with lines for clarity

Thank you. I hoped that it wasn't the way I took it.

Kevin,

I did not write what I did to enter into a pissing contest with anyone. I did not write what I did in the hope that I would change someone's political beliefs. Insulting me served no purpose whatsoever. But if it helped you to blow off some steam, then I can handle it. Perhaps now we can continue this discussion in a civil manner.

Let's make certain, Kevin, that we are being completely honest when we say that Obama has spent more in his first year as president than all other presidents combined. One would expect that someone with your education and banking experience would know that "Presidents Bush and Obama share responsibility for the fiscal year 2009 budget deficit that overlaps their administrations, before President Obama assumes full budgetary responsibility beginning in fiscal year 2010." (The Heritage Foundation, 2010) This single fact disproves your statement and once again demonstrates the lengths that entertainment news sources such as Fox News and CNN will go, in their continued efforts to get the ratings.

Whether you choose to accept it or not, the right needs the left just as badly as the left needs the right. Physics tells us that if you ballast only the starboard side, you will surely capsize. I do not blame the republicans for their stubborness in refusing to work with democrats. The democrats have been just as stubborn in their efforts to make republicans look bad. But at the end of the day, the politicians still hold all the cards and America is still holding the bag. Neither of us is wrong in our political beliefs. You know as well as I do that the numbers can be twisted around to show a budget surplus as a deficit and vice-versa. Case in point, Democrats swear that Bush walked into a budget surplus and Republicans claim that all Clinton did was move money from one place to the other. We can slander each other's party until the cows come home. But until we remember that you and I are still "We The People", then "We The Pawns" will continue to fight amongst ourselves, further dividing this country until she falls at the feet of the the political party that "won".

Good day sir and I sincerely apologize for the hi-jack and take-over, Curl.

Enforcing a 1 mph over in a 70 mph zone will probably only happen to someone who waved at a cop with one finger as they went by.

Enforcing a 1 mph over in a school zone to someone who was talking on the phone and just bumped into or ran over (or almost did) a kid will most definitely happen. Speed limit signs are MAXIMUM limits. Not a recommendation. You can legally run 69 in a 70 zone, just like you can run 14 or 10 in a 15 school zone if there are lots of kids wandering around. Cops have the authority to use discretion based on the situation.

I have contributed to the "fund" in my life. Can't say I didn't deserve (almost) all of them.

Just figured I would throw that out there.

quote Originally posted by Brocephus: I tell you what. You can dislike Obama all you want. But no one with more than two brain cells rolling around in their head can deny the fiscal irresponsibility of the Bush administration. The deregulation of the financial industry was almost a fatal blow to our economy and somehow, there are still those who kneel before Bush and call him a hero. To me and many others, he is nothing more than a common criminal and should be in prison with his cronies; Cheney, Rice, and Rumsfeld. .

Actually the de-regulation of the financial industry, in particular the repeal of the Glass-Steagall act which allowed the creation of the financial derivatives which caused the 2008 crash, happened under Bill Clinton's presidency. So you should really be going off on him about that. Also the Bush admin did try to get controls placed on FreddieMac and FannieMae but they were blocked by Democrat Barney Frank who said they were sound when everyone else knew better. Well he was full of it and both lost billions of our dollars - 16 billion just last quater alone. So probably you should direct some scorn and blame at him as well.

I'm not a Bush cheerleader, I think he did some real stupid stuff sometimes. But he shouldn't be blamed for things he did not do because it weakens your argument.

Thank you for your service.

quote Originally posted by glane21: Actually the de-regulation of the financial industry, in particular the repeal of the Glass-Steagall act which allowed the creation of the financial derivatives which caused the 2008 crash, happened under Bill Clinton's presidency. So you should really be going off on him about that. .

It was Phil Graham who shadily slipped a 262-page amendment at the last moment into the omnibus appropriations bill titled: Commodity Futures Modernization Act that led to the deregulations.

As far as Fannie May and Freddie Mac go

Bush said in a speech in Atlanta back in 2002
"That's why I've challenged the industry leaders all across the country to get after it for this goal, to stay focused, to make sure that we achieve a more secure America, by achieving the goal of 5.5 million new minority home owners. I call it America's home ownership challenge.

And let me talk about some of the progress which we have made to date, as an example for others to follow. First of all, government sponsored corporations that help create our mortgage system -- I introduced two of the leaders here today -- they call those people Fannie May and Freddie Mac, as well as the federal home loan banks, will increase their commitment to minority markets by more than $440 billion. (Applause.) I want to thank Leland and Franklin for that commitment. It's a commitment that conforms to their charters, as well, and also conforms to their hearts."

quote Originally posted by Erik: It was Phil Graham who shadily slipped a 262-page amendment at the last moment into the omnibus appropriations bill titled: Commodity Futures Modernization Act that led to the deregulations. As far as Fannie May and Freddie Mac go Bush said in a speech in Atlanta back in 2002 "That's why I've challenged the industry leaders all across the country to get after it for this goal, to stay focused, to make sure that we achieve a more secure America, by achieving the goal of 5.5 million new minority home owners. I call it America's home ownership challenge. And let me talk about some of the progress which we have made to date, as an example for others to follow. First of all, government sponsored corporations that help create our mortgage system -- I introduced two of the leaders here today -- they call those people Fannie May and Freddie Mac, as well as the federal home loan banks, will increase their commitment to minority markets by more than $440 billion. (Applause.) I want to thank Leland and Franklin for that commitment. It's a commitment that conforms to their charters, as well, and also conforms to their hearts."

Clinton signed the deregulation bill so he gets the blame, you know that's how it works. Just like he takes credit for welfare reform even though it was a Republican initiative in congress. And like I said before, Bush did/said some stupid stuff, but Barney Frank explicitly blocked increased regulation of Fannie and Freddie. I think his boyfriend worked at one of them at the time.

quote Originally posted by glane21: Clinton signed the deregulation bill so he gets the blame, you know that's how it works. Just like he takes credit for welfare reform even though it was a Republican initiative in congress. And like I said before, Bush did/said some stupid stuff, but Barney Frank explicitly blocked increased regulation of Fannie and Freddie. I think his boyfriend worked at one of them at the time.

He had to sign it it was veto proof, also he was unaware of Phil Grahams ammendment as were most of the senators not aware of it since it was slipped in at the last moment before passing the Senate
Rightwingers like to blame the "all powerful" barney frank for preventing fannie mae freddie mac being regulated but the facts are against them. In fact they had control of congress from 94 to 06 and prevented legislation to regulate the entities from passing the house. Only after the dems regained the house did any reform happen

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quote Originally posted by Erik: He had to sign it it was veto proof, also he was unaware of Phil Grahams ammendment as were most of the senators not aware of it since it was slipped in at the last moment before passing the Senate Rightwingers like to blame the "all powerful" barney frank for preventing fannie mae freddie mac being regulated but the facts are against them. In fact they had control of congress from 94 to 06 and prevented legislation to regulate the entities from passing the house. Only after the dems regained the house did any reform happen

Erik,
I am sure you are a good guy. After all, you can't be a bad guy if you drive a Fiero. Right? But, to your above memo, your feable attempts to dodge responsibility from the Democratics is alarming. In fact, to try to suggest that right-wingers (this is the correct spelling by the way), are to blame for our fiscal downturn is as incorrect as to say Obama knows how to pofitably manage a Dow Jones company. The Republicans indeed had controll of congress in '94 ( hooray for the contract with America!) up to '06. During that time, they were NOT involved in promoting Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac's continued extortion of our federal budget. President Bush did speak out and try to stop this indecent funding of these two quasi-federal programs. But, he was stymied by the Democratics who thought they could garner future votes, by "the poor" by continuing this rat hole funding. President Bush, I beleived, hoped the inevitable would not happen, which it eventually did, the wrecking of our Treasury department. Barney Frank (sic) has his blood all over our current financial mess. Again, I have a plethora of facts, figures, and quotes to back me up, but my phone is ringing. But, you can look it up both on the Senate and House floor memos. I am just trying to be nice and cordial, from my banker and California licensed real estate standpoint.

Cordially,
Kevin

quote Originally posted by kevin: Erik, I am sure you are a good guy. After all, you can't be a bad guy if you drive a Fiero. Right? But, to your above memo, your feable attempts to dodge responsibility from the Democratics is alarming. In fact, to try to suggest that right-wingers (this is the correct spelling by the way), are to blame for our fiscal downturn is as incorrect as to say Obama knows how to pofitably manage a Dow Jones company. The Republicans indeed had controll of congress in '94 ( hooray for the contract with America!) up to '06. During that time, they were NOT involved in promoting Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac's continued extortion of our federal budget. President Bush did speak out and try to stop this indecent funding of these two quasi-federal programs. But, he was stymied by the Democratics who thought they could garner future votes, by "the poor" by continuing this rat hole funding. President Bush, I beleived, hoped the inevitable would not happen, which it eventually did, the wrecking of our Treasury department. Barney Frank (sic) has his blood all over our current financial mess. Again, I have a plethora of facts, figures, and quotes to back me up, but my phone is ringing. But, you can look it up both on the Senate and House floor memos. I am just trying to be nice and cordial, from my banker and California licensed real estate standpoint. Cordially, Kevin

I am a good guy,

My views in part come from having experience with the mortgage industry in the loan department in the recent past

You are incorrect about bush (sic) who along with the rubber stamp republican congress ARE responsible for the mess handed to Obama and the rest of us, with their contract ON America but go ahead and post your plethora of "facts figures and quotes" but do it in OT where it belongs. I have already provided a Bush "speech" (sic) in support of Fannie Mae Freddie Mac loans to those with low credit back in 2002 and noticed you conveniently avoid answering to that.

What really cracks me up is rightwingers never take responsibility for their actions, It's like the Bush admin never existed and everything is either Clinton or Obamas fault.

I'm sorry, its a nice day and I am not going to waste much time trying to teach rightwingers facts at this point. I spend more than enough time on other message boards educating them on the facts at my leisure.

Finally, I have already requested twice that you continue your rant against liberals on OT where it belongs.

Have A Nice Day

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quote Originally posted by Erik: What really cracks me up is rightwingers never take responsibility for their actions, It's like the Bush admin never existed and everything is either Clinton or Obamas fault.

Just like its all Bush's and Reagan's fault right? There is no point to these arguements... both sides know that they are correct.

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quote Originally posted by Freshj: Reposted with lines for clarity ------------------------------------------------- VC 23123(A) $148 Drive using wireless phone not hands free, First offense ------------------------------------------------- VC 23123(A) $256 Drive using wireless phone not hands free, For each subsequent offense. -------------------------------------------------

Thanks Freshj for reposting the lines. As for non-hand free cell phone usage, I saw a officer making a left turn at Stockdale hwy, another officer exiting Starbucks, and plenty of people (like the lady driving a green Mustang yesterday). I noticed her because she didn't use her turn signal and I was wondering why until I saw what she was doing. The only difference is that when I saw people using a cell- they were on the look-out for cops. On another note; the other day I was flipping through channels and on Oprah show- Jerry Steineld signed and promised not to use a non blue tooth cell phone while driving (he doesn't anyway so no biggie).

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quote Originally posted by carbon: Just like its all Bush's and Reagan's fault right?

When we are talking about deregulation that led to the crisis we are facing today yes the responsibility mostly falls on republicans. Unlike most rightwingers who never accept responcibility I am willing to admit that Clinton is also in part responsible for signing NAFTA which BTW was Bush Sr initiative that helped created that giant sucking sound Ross Pero warned us about. Ok I am done in this thread, IMO, this political stuff needs to be argued in OT.

quote Originally posted by Erik: Ok I am done in this thread, IMO, this political stuff needs to be argued in OT.

Let's keep to the topic related to the Fiero, the current laws, and comments regarding fines.

Cook County, IL
485 dollars after court fees for 8 over in a construction zone with no workers present. Local cop camped on the freeway and they wanted me to come back to Chicago for traffic safety class. Took 8 months just to pay the fine and plead guilty. Government rocks!!! He took my license and made me follow him to his presinct building. I followed at 30MPH on the city streets and he pulled away from me on every street we drove on. Half the fine had to be written out to the IL DOT hireback fund.

I'm thinking maybe I should put on the front license plate before I get a ticket for that,
but the other side of the coin is the red light camera will photo my car with the plate.

Arizona now has cameras for speeding as well as lights, my son who lives in Phoenix
said they are on the freeways there. Some Calif cities are looking at that also.

quote VC 22507.8(A through C) $976 Violation of disabled parking provisions, first offense. VC 22507.8(A through C) $1876 Violation of disabled parking provisions, second offense.

wow... that's just outright stupid. Risking the lives of others costs (much) less than forcing a handicapped person to walk (or move in some other way) a couple of extra yards... What does driving under the influence of alcohol/narcotics cost whatever idiot decides to do so?

WOW, I live here in CA and have to deal with it, but I never thought of blaming the politicians on either side? And I am VERY vocal on my political views.
We have a price to pay for braking the law, that's it. Nothing else to say. Now if you were to say that I have to pay a "fine" just because I am driving, then I could play the blame game.
That being said, I would not care less if they doubled every one of those fines. I don't cry about getting caught when I do some thing wrong, I am the one that was doing the wrong and I know that there is a price for braking the law. BUT I do get upset with "sin taxes" and "fees" on law abiding citizens because some of that stuff is already out of control and more and more infringement on daily living in CA is becoming to heavy a load to carry.

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quote Originally posted by pontiackid86: Thats horse sh*t how police do this. PA state trooprs have a blitz every few months in order to make some money when there low on funds mandadting that an officer has to pull someone over every 10 min. Its bullshit.

To give them credit they aren't the ones breaking the laws, they are just enforcing them.

All looks rather cheap we lost our civil rights years ago i am suprised we need to catch up too the USA for losing rights but. In Australia double all those fines.

quote Originally posted by madcurl: Important Notice: HUGE California Traffic Tickets Fines Effective 01/06/2010 The state of California is going for blood. I have been hearing that highway patrols are under pressure to issue a lot more tickets than last year with at least 30% increase in fines over 2009. Cash-straped California needs money, so pay close attention to the rules of the road while driving your Fiero! I'm not sure we're going slide by without of front license plate any more. Traffic Tickets Fines (Effective 01/06/2010) Violation Total Fine Due --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- VC 5200 $178 Display of license plates. Note: The fine may be reduced with valid proof of correction. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- VC 27150(A and B) $178 Adequate muffler required ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

This one might get me one day?
I plan to get one of those hide away brackets that display the front plate when you want to then swing it down under the bumper out of sight.
I like the clean look of a plate less bumper.
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Two day crack down cell phone usage:

http://www.bakersfield.com/...phones-while-driving

Hundreds cited for using cell phones while driving
THE BAKERSFIELD CALIFORNIAN | Wednesday, Sep 22 2010 07:56 PM
Last Updated Wednesday, Sep 22 2010 07:56 PM

More than 1,000 Central Valley motorists were cited for using handheld cell phones while driving -- including 241 citations issued in Kern County -- during the first 24 hours of a two-day enforcement campaign this week.

The California Highway Patrol and Shafter, Delano, Bakersfield and Arvin police departments were among the law enforcement agencies participating in the campaign, aimed at drivers who talk on handheld phones or text while driving, CHP Officer Robert Rodriguez said. The enforcement began Tuesday and was scheduled to finish at midnight Wednesday.

Rodriguez said this is the first time the Bakersfield CHP has conducted a campaign like this focusing on cell phones, so he doesn't have other numbers with which to compare the 241 citations.

He did, however, say that the number represented "phenomenal activity" of illegal cell phone usage.

California law banned the use of handheld cell phones while driving a little more than two years ago. A person can be pulled over just for talking on a handheld phone, Rodriguez said.

First-time offenders are issued a base fine of $20, but court fees can push the costs to more than $100. Subsequent violations come with a $50 penalty.

Rodriguez said very few texting violations were issued Tuesday. He said it's more difficult to catch people texting while driving because they can hold the phone near their lap.

Bakersfield police Sgt. Mary DeGeare said BPD officers issued more than 2,600 citations for cell phone violations in 2009. She said the department is committed to working with other agencies to reduce the number of distracted drivers on the roadways by enforcing the cell phone law.

"An overwhelming amount of persons operate motor vehicles with divided attention on our local roadways, and we know that inattention or divided attention leads to collisions," DeGeare said.

Wow, some of those fines are pretty steep. But that's what happens when a government becomes financially unstable. They bilk the populace. Making the police become more oppressive is a common way to do that.

I guess that's why they call it Kalifornistan... LOL.

There's more; I hope you don't text while driving your Fiero

http://news.yahoo.com/s/hsn...ngadeadlytollonroads

Texting Taking a Deadly Toll on Roads


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THURSDAY, Sept. 23 (HealthDay News) -- Distracted driving fatalities caused by cell phone use and texting soared in the space of three years, according to new U.S. government research released Thursday.

Texting alone caused more than 16,000 deaths in car accidents from 2001 to 2007, the researchers estimated. But auto deaths involving cell phones and texting while driving rose 28 percent in just three years, from 4,572 in 2005 to 5,870 in 2008.

"The increases in distracted driving seem to be largely driven by increased use of cell phones to text," said lead researcher Fernando Wilson, an assistant professor in the School of Public Health at the University of North Texas Health Science Center at Fort Worth.

"Overall use of cell phones have been pretty steady, but texting volumes have increased dramatically in the last few years," he added.

Distracted driving and its deadly toll was the focus of a government summit this week in Washington, D.C., at which officials called for tougher laws to counter the growing trend. They reported that more than 5,000 people were killed last year in distracted driving crashes.

In January, the government banned truck and bus drivers who travel interstate roadways from using a handheld device to send text messages.

The latest report, published online Sept. 23 in the American Journal of Public Health, uses data from the National Center for Statistics and Analysis's Fatality Analysis Reporting System, which recorded all fatalities that occurred on public roads in the United States from 1999 to 2008.

Wilson's team found that drunk drivers are less inhibited about using cell phones as they drive. And there were also increased crashes into light poles, trees and other objects, with men involved in growing numbers.

"All this is consistent with people not paying attention while they are driving," Wilson said.

Solving the problem is complex, Wilson noted. He has no ready answers, but he suggested that "we need technologies that inhibit cell phone use while driving" and that more effective law enforcement of cell phone bans would also help.

Frank Drews, an associate professor of psychology at the University of Utah, said that "this is a timely study that adds another piece to the literature on driver distraction."

Drews added: "With work like this, it will be a little bit harder to deny that cell phone use while driving has a significant negative impact on public safety. I think at this point, once again, the question comes to mind, how much more scientific evidence will politicians need to put laws in place that protect the public from the dangers associated with cell phone use while driving?"

Jennifer Smith, a board member of FocusDriven, which advocates against cell phone use while driving, put it more bluntly.

The more than 5,000 traffic deaths each year from cell phone use is "equivalent to a major airliner going down every week in this country," she said. "If that was happening, they would ground all flights until they figured out what the problem was and they solved it. But because everyone likes their cell phones, we have to debate this."

Smith noted that all cell phone use when driving -- including hands-free cell phone use -- is dangerous. "All we need to be doing in our cars is driving. No phone call is that important that you can't wait until you stop," she said.

Frankly, if you text while driving, f*ck you.

It isn't worth peoples' cars, or lives, for any text messaging conversation. Such blatant disregard for these things is staggering.

Thank you.

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city of Denver is doing the same thing :-/

Just another example of a Socialist government out of control. Don't blame the police. Blame the tax happy liberals for this mess. They've bankrupted Californina and now they want to punish the motorist for their incompetance.

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As a native born cali guy all I can say is: OUCH!!! & The man is watching us..

I don't know why, but it is a fact that if I talk on a cell phone while driving I'm way more distracted than talking to a passenger seated next to me. From what I've heard, hands free cell phones don't help. Negligent driving was at the root of both my accidents. One was cell phone aggravated the other wasn't. I actually think that I'm a safer driver when I'm pushing the speed limit because I pay more attention at that time. That being said I no longer am the first car in a line of cars going over the speed limit. I'm retired now and don't have to worry about being to work on time and give myself plenty of time for appointments or get there late. Paying attention while driving is not something that should be optional for even a moment.

You think cell phones are bad..... I think the Navi is 100 times worse.... Watch people programing them while driving .... freaken me out driving next to them...